EPTdropout: work or military? - Page 3
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HeadhunteR
Argentina1258 Posts
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eddoo
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semantics
10040 Posts
On May 31 2010 13:46 motbob wrote: Army. It will be a good experience, they will pay for your tuition if you pledge to stay for a while, and you might enjoy the work so much that you make it a career. Don't join infantry, though. We can just put it this way, for their aptitude test you need high marks to get into airforce or submarine division of the navy, you don't see that for infantry. | ||
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InTheFade
United States1721 Posts
On May 31 2010 13:46 motbob wrote: Army. It will be a good experience, they will pay for your tuition if you pledge to stay for a while, and you might enjoy the work so much that you make it a career. Don't join infantry, though. We have two wars, as well as troops stationed in South Korea, where, you know, tensions and what-not with the North. Basically, if you're intelligent/useful beyond aiming and shooting, you could get a decent position that doesn't involve you being stationed in Iraq for eight years. But what they'll do is whisper sweet nothings in your ear, but there are a lot of cases these days where you can be discharged and screwed out of everything they promised (depending what service/position/etc.) | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On May 31 2010 13:46 motbob wrote: Army. It will be a good experience, they will pay for your tuition if you pledge to stay for a while, and you might enjoy the work so much that you make it a career. Don't join infantry, though. sry if i am unproductive once again, but is there any kind of security in a juristical sense to get to a particular part of the army when u engage? i mean... what if they say u will be trained to become an air force pilot if u commit for 4 years - and after u signed ur 4 years contract they say they need cannon fodder for the streets of bagdad and send u to an infantry drill camp, and then to iraq - and u have no way to refuse as u are an enlisted soldier? edit: lol, i guess im not the only one with concerns of this kind. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On May 31 2010 13:51 thopol wrote: Do not join the military. Think of all of the fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters you have and have known and have not had. Are you the kind of person who could deprive someone of their father or mother, brother or sister? If you aren't a killer, can't find that killer in you, don't join the military. You don't have to kill if you're in the Army. Why do you think I recommended that he not join the infantry? Infantry or Combat Arms in general. | ||
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Smu
Serbia164 Posts
Stop crying and get back to it. It's NEVER too late to give your best. | ||
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BuGzlToOnl
United States5918 Posts
On May 31 2010 13:41 illu wrote: I really think 16 dollars an hour is really bad, especially for a 22-years-old. Then again maybe I am a bit too high on competitive spirits.. I'm Mexican/a spic. My "friends"/people I'm close to that are around my age and grew up with make far less than that $9-$12 and hour working in franchises. Not necessarily McDonald's or fast food places, but at stores like Best Buy or the Holiday Inn; things of that nature. I believe the number one job for this country (the USA) is retail so the majority is forced into it. My parent's friends/people they know make roughly that if not less. Some more, but not by much and they are in their mid to late forties with families and kids. You find ways to make it work trust me on that. I know this forum is full of intelligent people with planned careers and solid backgrounds, but you should really learn on how the "other half lives" and the differences between lower, middle, and upper classes. To me its just a difference in the amount of luxury items you can afford nothing more. I shouldn't complain my upbringing wasn't bad in the leastl, but statements like this irk me. :p | ||
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29 fps
United States5725 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
And this way when they deny you a job, they'll give you the flattering reason of 'overqualified' instead of some other generic one. | ||
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Empyrean
17046 Posts
On May 31 2010 13:59 BuGzlToOnl wrote: I'm Mexican/a spic. My "friends"/people I'm close to that are around my age and grew up with make far less than that $9-$12 and hour working in franchises. Not necessarily McDonald's or fast food places, but at stores like Best Buy or the Holiday Inn; things of that nature. I believe the number one job for this country (the USA) is retail so the majority is forced into it. My parent's friends/people they know make roughly that if not less. Some more, but not by much and they are in their mid to late forties with families and kids. You find ways to make it work trust me on that. I know this forum is full of intelligent people with planned careers and solid backgrounds, but you should really learn on how the "other half lives" and the differences between lower, middle, and upper classes. To me its just a difference in the amount of luxury items you can afford nothing more. I shouldn't complain my upbringing wasn't bad in the leastl, but statements like this irk me. :p This may be true, but don't you have any aspirations of rising above the $16/hour? | ||
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DetriusXii
Canada156 Posts
On the other hand, if you were initially in biology, you may find yourself extremely bored being a machinist. A person needs fulfillment from their job and I'm not discounting that machinists can be happy, but you should ask yourself if you as a machinist will be happy. I would recommend that you become a machinist. It will also give you some time for self discovery. The one thing about industrial jobs is that work doesn't follow the worker home. School does. You can still learn without being in university. Pick out the first year textbooks in your university library and find out what interests you. | ||
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BuGzlToOnl
United States5918 Posts
It doesn't matter what other attributes you have to offer if you don't have said piece of paper you aren't even considered for anything of value. It's basically pay and devote your time for the OPPORTUNITY at something without any guarantee at it. :p | ||
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Empyrean
17046 Posts
On May 31 2010 14:13 BuGzlToOnl wrote: Gah, it's so unfair that you need to devote yourself to something you don't believe in, have no confidence in, and are told by the majority that they are not putting into use what they devoted four years of their life to because they are working in an entirely different field. Just because society deems it so. It doesn't matter what other attributes you have to offer if you don't have said piece of paper you aren't even considered for anything of value. It's basically pay and devote your time for the OPPORTUNITY at something without any guarantee at it. :p Fine, but at least check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States You're likely to get a higher paying job with a B.S/A in anything, even if you work in a Holiday Inn. If you're really considering the Army, though, I think if you manage to serve for twenty years, you automatically get a pension equal to half of your salary. And even if you do choose the army, know that people with a college degree still have higher wages. | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On May 31 2010 14:13 BuGzlToOnl wrote: Gah, it's so unfair that you need to devote yourself to something you don't believe in, have no confidence in, and are told by the majority that they are not putting into use what they devoted four years of their life to because they are working in an entirely different field. Just because society deems it so. It doesn't matter what other attributes you have to offer if you don't have said piece of paper you aren't even considered for anything of value. It's basically pay and devote your time for the OPPORTUNITY at something without any guarantee at it. :p without this "requirement", how should companies assess the applications? its simply impossible to handle the flood of applications without some sort of filter system. in the widest sense, the requirement of having a college degree for any of the "more qualified jobs" serves the purpose of sorting out those who dont have the endurance, intellectual skills or determination to get such a degree. running through phases of low motivation is something that every student experiences during his or her studies. by finishing a degree, the applicant proves the personality to fight through such obstacles. fighting for a guarantee for ur dream job would be easy, but fighting just for the mere chance of doing what u really want to do in life is what really puts the character to a test. | ||
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BuGzlToOnl
United States5918 Posts
On May 31 2010 14:08 Empyrean wrote: This may be true, but don't you have any aspirations of rising above the $16/hour? I believe that with hard work and dedication you can rise in position and earn more. The people I know have a tendency of not doing this. Quick story: The only other job I had was at a ticket broker; it was really easy computer work. My friend got me the job. He worked there previously for two years his pay for those two years was $7.50 an hour. He didn't do much, but neither did I when I was there. In about four months time I was given the promotion to $8/hour and in a little over a year to $10/hour. The difference between him and me according to my boss is that "I was a hard worker". I did what wasn't asked of me. I organized the inventory, cleaned up the office/desks, and other small things that made my bosses and work colleagues jobs a lot easier for them to do. None of the extra stuff was ever asked of me and I didn't think they noticed/appreciated it. But if you are running a successful company you know damn well what everyone is doing and know who to reward. It's not just about a degree it's about hard work, working smart, and dedication. Although I agree completely with all of you that the degree does (maybe unfairly) provide more opportunity. It's not something -at least for now- that I can consider. | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
I don't know who is telling you that a degree is worthless, but a science degree certainly isn't. $16/hour isn't that good....an engineering intern (someone who hasn't finished school) makes $20/hour at my company. Its not bad, but you are already so close to being able to have so many more options. Look at this link: http://finance.yahoo.com/career-work/article/109580/best-worst-paying-jobs-in-US notice all the best paying jobs are in the medical industry. A biological sciences degree is a beginning to a career which will be successful in the future. Having a 4 year degree is like a lifetime achievement. When you get your degree from the university, it will say "Bachelor of Science" and won't even state what the specialization was in many cases. A certification is temporary, but you will always have a degree. If you really can't continue on, I'd say do the machinist thing for a while, and take classes part time. My advice is to not join the military under any circumstances. | ||
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akevin
Canada120 Posts
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BuGzlToOnl
United States5918 Posts
On May 31 2010 14:28 fight_or_flight wrote: Bugz, sounds like you suffer from your social environment dragging you down. In a way yes, although my parents are also telling me to STFU and finish the degree. My dad would rather not have me working with him, but it's going to be my decision in the end. He might as well help me if he can. | ||
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