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I did so in response To Blizz signing
with gomTV. We all knew it was coming, but now that we know for certain that Blizz is content with ESPORTs in the form and shape of current World of Warcraft (ESL, gom, MLG then online ladder into Blizzcon as largest tournament), I'm out. I'll still play through the single player campaign(s) at a friends house or something, but I feel I can't reward this decision with my money.
I'm sorry if this is taken as inflammatory, but that's the exact word i'd use to describe Blizzards announcement.
I'm not encouraging anyone to do the same and I'm not expecting any sympathy, I just feel that it"s important in an ESPORT friendly community, the voices of all ESPORT fans are heard. Mine is one of them.
  
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A lot of features of beta (such as how they changed the friend system) are discouraging me from buying the game. However, since I don't know what will or won't be in the final release (and subsequent patches), I'm just going to buy the game anyway even if they keep certain features I really hate. I of course am not happy about the lack of offline play, the ums publishing system, lack of chat rooms, etc...
If blizzard doesn't fix these things they'll have some explaining to do.
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Yeah, the real-life name display of everyone is a real gem as well, if that makes it into final release I believe Blizzard will face legal issues.
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On May 27 2010 19:55 micronesia wrote:
A lot of features of beta (such as how they changed the friend system) are discouraging me from buying the game. However, since I don't know what will or won't be in the final release (and subsequent patches), I'm just going to buy the game anyway even if they keep certain features I really hate. I of course am not happy about the lack of offline play, the ums publishing system, lack of chat rooms, etc...
If blizzard doesn't fix these things they'll have some explaining to do.
If you buy the game regardless, blizzard has no explaining to do to you, actually.
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On May 27 2010 19:59 Navane wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 19:55 micronesia wrote:
A lot of features of beta (such as how they changed the friend system) are discouraging me from buying the game. However, since I don't know what will or won't be in the final release (and subsequent patches), I'm just going to buy the game anyway even if they keep certain features I really hate. I of course am not happy about the lack of offline play, the ums publishing system, lack of chat rooms, etc...
If blizzard doesn't fix these things they'll have some explaining to do. If you buy the game regardless, blizzard has no explaining to do to you, actually.
If they do something very unpopular and are getting torn apart from a large part of their fanbase (those who bought the game even) then they will have some explaining to do whether or not it's because we boycotted the game.
Of course they could just ignore us anyway but w/e... not going to worry about things that might not become problems...
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Ditto
was going to buy the game out of starcraft loyalty and because it actually looked kind of fun, despite all the new bnet suckiness. Them screwing over _brood war_ progaming was too much for me to handle though.
I will not play the game and I will actively try to convince friends whom I know will only play the campaign anyway to just pirate it.
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United States20661 Posts
Yeah I'm considering just pirating it as well. The way the game is heading, I don't see any reason why I should pay money for it.
User was warned for this post
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Maybe things will play out for the better?
Don't write it off just yet.
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I have lost all faith in blizzard.
Come to think of it, I haven't even enjoyed any of their titles since diablo 1/2, starcraft, and wc 1 and 2 and that was about 10 years ago. I have basically went from loving blizzard and their games above all others to the point where I'm considering not even buying sc2. Which imo isn't even that great of a game, just another modern rts except it has a huge established crowd dead set on turning a mediocre game into an e-sport.
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I will still buy the game, but I'll hate Blizzard forever, because the only thing they care is money and they use "esports" as an excuse for their actions.
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I hadn't planned to buy SC2 anyway, but now I'm sure I won't.
Hope the oldschool game designers at Blizzard do not enjoy to be owned by Activision.
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umm... actually its kespa who screwed over blizzard all these years making money off their IP. im not a fan of "IP" coz nobody's losing anything just from a copy, even less from improvements made from it. makin' a copy is different from actually stealing something. there's no guarantee that anyone would buy product A and many great technologies and ideas arent used to their full potential coz some capitalist fucks claim "copyright" (you have to ask for a right to make a copy? thats bs, ffs!).
tho im not a huge fan of capitalism of any kind.
but right now we do have it. kespa didnt even ask blizzard all these years. they used something somebody else made to grow an economy based on it without the creator getting anything.
not buying the game over bnet 2.0 flaws or other imperfections, i can understand. not buying it coz you dont support the creators policy is understandable. not supporting this particular move though i cant understand at all.
kespa stole someone elses product to further their own end. you are giving blizzard a hard time when they are the ones that MADE the fucking game. how can kespa have more rights to the product than the people that made it? its completely beyond me. even if the sky comes crashin down coz of this you cant blame blizzard for it, instead blame kespa for not giving a fuck.
i dont understand all these people. >_<
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whats so hard about working with blizzard instead of against them? i dont see how esports benefits from that in any way. kespa also didnt do much for esports anywhere other than korea. people are makin it out to be a ton more important than it is.
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hoping everything changes for the better, otherwise i expect this game to die in the next year or so.
oh well, at least i'll still kiss Valve's ass for a while
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It would be a rather large effort on my part to try to buy it in the summer, seeing as I'm a penniless student conducting intense warfare with laziness. A few months ago I was determined to do so regardless.
However, I hope that by the time SC2 is for sale in my city the situation concerning GOM and OSL/MSL/PL will be settled, because if the Koeran BroodWar leagues/broadcasts cease to exist after August this summer, my attitude towards Blizzard will change dramatically and irrevocably (it's not to good lately), and as a fan I don't think I'll be willing to buy one of their games ever again.
If this will be the case, I'll probably get an illegal copy anyway, but let's hope for better things. I don't judge you OP, and I actually think your action was only a bit rushed, if anything, but definitely justified.
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The blizzard of 1990's and early 2000's is a completely different company -- people and all -- than now.
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On May 27 2010 20:23 enzym wrote:
umm... actually its kespa who screwed over blizzard all these years making money off their IP. im not a fan of stuff like IP rights coz nobody's losing anything just from a copy. makin' a copy is different from actually stealing something. there's no guarantee that anyone would by the product and i also think that many great technologies arent used to their full potential coz some capitalist fucks claim "copyright" (look at that term - you need to ask for making a copy, thats bs ffs!).
im not a huge fan of capitalism of any kind.
but right now we do have capitalism. kespa didnt even ask blizzard all these years. they used something somebody else made to grow an economy on it without the creator getting anything.
not buying the game over bnet 2.0 flaws or other imperfections is understandable. not buying it coz you dont support blizzards policy is also understandable. but that you dont support this particular policy is bullshit.
kespa stole someone elses product to further their own benefit. and you are giving blizzard a hard time, when they are the ones that MADE the fucking game. how can kespa have more rights to the product than the people that made it? its completely beyond me. even if the sky comes crashin down coz of this you cant blame blizzard for it, blame kespa for not giving a fuck.
i dont understand all these people. >_<
All this money that Kespa is supposedly making off blizzard's product, where does it come from? Please tell me I'm curious. Live games are free, the market for various spin off products (team shirts etc) is relativly small. The entire thing is an advertisement ploy and blizzard ceartinly gets its share of the attention.
Anyway, there are other threads for that particular issue, like the current one in the star2 forum.
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You should buy the game at least to help TL :p
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On May 27 2010 20:23 enzym wrote:
umm... actually its kespa who screwed over blizzard all these years making money off their IP. im not a fan of stuff like IP rights coz nobody's losing anything just from a copy. makin' a copy is different from actually stealing something. there's no guarantee that anyone would by the product and i also think that many great technologies arent used to their full potential coz some capitalist fucks claim "copyright" (look at that term - you need to ask for making a copy, thats bs ffs!).
im not a huge fan of capitalism of any kind.
but right now we do have capitalism. kespa didnt even ask blizzard all these years. they used something somebody else made to grow an economy on it without the creator getting anything.
not buying the game over bnet 2.0 flaws or other imperfections is understandable. not buying it coz you dont support blizzards policy is also understandable. but that you dont support this particular policy is bullshit.
kespa stole someone elses product to further their own benefit. and you are giving blizzard a hard time, when they are the ones that MADE the fucking game. how can kespa have more rights to the product than the people that made it? its completely beyond me. even if the sky comes crashin down coz of this you cant blame blizzard for it, blame kespa for not giving a fuck.
i dont understand all these people. >_<
If it weren't for kespa and all the dedicated people that have put in tears, sweat and blood over the years, starcraft would have been long forgotten by now. Thanks to E-sports blizzard has 4.5 million copies sold in korea alone, and here they are bitching and moaning. It's the reality of corporations but it's also a prohibiting factor for the growth of E-sports.
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I'll have absolutely nothing to do until like october this summer because I'm heading into the army so I'll probably end up buying the game out of sheer boredom. I haven't preordered the game yet because of the bnet 2.0 suckiness.
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Starcraft 2 will be good aslong as they aren't as ignorant as they were with WC3.
Starcraft's success was thanks to the players and constant renewal of maps.
I think as long as Blizzard listens to the players (*cough* high level players *cough*) and keeps the game fresh with new maps, tournaments and patches im pretty sure Starcraft 2 will be a worthy successor of the throne.
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On May 27 2010 20:31 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 20:23 enzym wrote:
umm... actually its kespa who screwed over blizzard all these years making money off their IP. im not a fan of stuff like IP rights coz nobody's losing anything just from a copy. makin' a copy is different from actually stealing something. there's no guarantee that anyone would by the product and i also think that many great technologies arent used to their full potential coz some capitalist fucks claim "copyright" (look at that term - you need to ask for making a copy, thats bs ffs!).
im not a huge fan of capitalism of any kind.
but right now we do have capitalism. kespa didnt even ask blizzard all these years. they used something somebody else made to grow an economy on it without the creator getting anything.
not buying the game over bnet 2.0 flaws or other imperfections is understandable. not buying it coz you dont support blizzards policy is also understandable. but that you dont support this particular policy is bullshit.
kespa stole someone elses product to further their own benefit. and you are giving blizzard a hard time, when they are the ones that MADE the fucking game. how can kespa have more rights to the product than the people that made it? its completely beyond me. even if the sky comes crashin down coz of this you cant blame blizzard for it, blame kespa for not giving a fuck.
i dont understand all these people. >_< If it weren't for kespa and all the dedicated people that have put in tears, sweat and blood over the years, starcraft would have been long forgotten by now. Thanks to E-sports blizzard has 4.5 million copies sold in korea alone, and here they are bitching and moaning. It's the reality of corporations but it's also a prohibiting factor for the growth of E-sports.
thats no fact. wgt, pgt, iccup - korea made none of this. tl, gg.net - kespa didnt make these. bwcl isnt their work either. i dont care about starcraft cause kespa build their little turf in their little country. they made a shiny turf, but its a small country, huge language barrier, doesnt reach people anywhere else except via what dedicated members of our OWN community bring to us. ive not been playing bw coz korea has two channels broadcasting the game. i played it because its a great game. our community doesnt depend in the slightest on korea. theres some inspiration coming from there but thats not kespas work, that comes from our guys and from the players themselves.
yo cant hype korean esports as the best there'll ever be. it isnt the top of the world.
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I'll buy the game when the majority of people in this site buys it.
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United States1719 Posts
yeeeeeeeeup i canceled mine. decided to put my heart and soul into trying to pirate it when it comes out
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On May 27 2010 20:38 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 20:31 hifriend wrote:On May 27 2010 20:23 enzym wrote:
umm... actually its kespa who screwed over blizzard all these years making money off their IP. im not a fan of stuff like IP rights coz nobody's losing anything just from a copy. makin' a copy is different from actually stealing something. there's no guarantee that anyone would by the product and i also think that many great technologies arent used to their full potential coz some capitalist fucks claim "copyright" (look at that term - you need to ask for making a copy, thats bs ffs!).
im not a huge fan of capitalism of any kind.
but right now we do have capitalism. kespa didnt even ask blizzard all these years. they used something somebody else made to grow an economy on it without the creator getting anything.
not buying the game over bnet 2.0 flaws or other imperfections is understandable. not buying it coz you dont support blizzards policy is also understandable. but that you dont support this particular policy is bullshit.
kespa stole someone elses product to further their own benefit. and you are giving blizzard a hard time, when they are the ones that MADE the fucking game. how can kespa have more rights to the product than the people that made it? its completely beyond me. even if the sky comes crashin down coz of this you cant blame blizzard for it, blame kespa for not giving a fuck.
i dont understand all these people. >_< If it weren't for kespa and all the dedicated people that have put in tears, sweat and blood over the years, starcraft would have been long forgotten by now. Thanks to E-sports blizzard has 4.5 million copies sold in korea alone, and here they are bitching and moaning. It's the reality of corporations but it's also a prohibiting factor for the growth of E-sports. thats no fact. wgt, pgt, iccup - korea made none of this. tl, gg.net - kespa didnt make these. bwcl isnt their work either. i dont care about starcraft cause kespa build their little turf in their little country. they made a shiny turf, but its a small country, huge language barrier, doesnt reach people anywhere else except via what dedicated members of our OWN community bring to us. ive not been playing bw coz korea has two channels broadcasting the game. i played it because its a great game. our community doesnt depend in the slightest on korea. theres some inspiration coming from there but thats not kespas work, that comes from our guys and from the players themselves. yo cant hype korean esports as the best there'll ever be. it isnt the top of the world.
I am by no means a fan of kespa, but there are so many fallacies in your post I decided to comment on them, then just decided to bold them. Also as a Korean i take offense to your belittling tone of speech: "little turf in their little country"? Surely you've heard of companies like samsung and LG from our "little country" that aren't so little
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who cares if blizzard is the one who made the game. so are they also going to sew everyone else who hosts amateur tournaments who need profit for venue fee? its obvious blizzard is just a fucking greedy ass company, just look at world of warcraft. SPECIFICALLY made to consume your money. i was always a BW conservative, and why move on to a game less skillfully demanding as its original? another reason for me to boycott sc2
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On May 27 2010 20:38 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 20:31 hifriend wrote:On May 27 2010 20:23 enzym wrote:
umm... actually its kespa who screwed over blizzard all these years making money off their IP. im not a fan of stuff like IP rights coz nobody's losing anything just from a copy. makin' a copy is different from actually stealing something. there's no guarantee that anyone would by the product and i also think that many great technologies arent used to their full potential coz some capitalist fucks claim "copyright" (look at that term - you need to ask for making a copy, thats bs ffs!).
im not a huge fan of capitalism of any kind.
but right now we do have capitalism. kespa didnt even ask blizzard all these years. they used something somebody else made to grow an economy on it without the creator getting anything.
not buying the game over bnet 2.0 flaws or other imperfections is understandable. not buying it coz you dont support blizzards policy is also understandable. but that you dont support this particular policy is bullshit.
kespa stole someone elses product to further their own benefit. and you are giving blizzard a hard time, when they are the ones that MADE the fucking game. how can kespa have more rights to the product than the people that made it? its completely beyond me. even if the sky comes crashin down coz of this you cant blame blizzard for it, blame kespa for not giving a fuck.
i dont understand all these people. >_< If it weren't for kespa and all the dedicated people that have put in tears, sweat and blood over the years, starcraft would have been long forgotten by now. Thanks to E-sports blizzard has 4.5 million copies sold in korea alone, and here they are bitching and moaning. It's the reality of corporations but it's also a prohibiting factor for the growth of E-sports. thats no fact. wgt, pgt, iccup - korea made none of this. tl, gg.net - kespa didnt make these. bwcl isnt their work either. i dont care about starcraft cause kespa build their little turf in their little country. they made a shiny turf, but its a small country, huge language barrier, doesnt reach people anywhere else except via what dedicated members of our OWN community bring to us. ive not been playing bw coz korea has two channels broadcasting the game. i played it because its a great game. our community doesnt depend in the slightest on korea. theres some inspiration coming from there but thats not kespas work, that comes from our guys and from the players themselves. yo cant hype korean esports as the best there'll ever be. it isnt the top of the world.
Not the same for everybody though. Personally I think I would have lost interest in BW several years ago if not for the Korean progaming scene and I'm sure there are plently of others on this site who feel the same way. If Blizzard ruins the Korean progaming scene I foresee SC2 ending up with a similar scene to WC3- not terrible, but not particularly interesting either.
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On May 27 2010 20:46 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
who cares if blizzard is the one who made the game. so are they also going to sew everyone else who hosts amateur tournaments who need profit for venue fee? its obvious blizzard is just a fucking greedy ass company, just look at world of warcraft. SPECIFICALLY made to consume your money. i was always a BW conservative, and why move on to a game less skillfully demanding as its original? another reason for me to boycott sc2
kespa forbade their players from participating in gom. hows that furthering esports? it nicely illustrates their intention to cooperate with blizzard instead of fighting them. isnt kespa just as greedy, but DIDNT make the game? at worst blizzard appears to be at the same level at kespa, but they still made the game. kespa didnt do anything, yet isnt getting any blame from you people at all. its completely nuts.
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On May 27 2010 20:50 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 20:38 enzym wrote:On May 27 2010 20:31 hifriend wrote:On May 27 2010 20:23 enzym wrote:
umm... actually its kespa who screwed over blizzard all these years making money off their IP. im not a fan of stuff like IP rights coz nobody's losing anything just from a copy. makin' a copy is different from actually stealing something. there's no guarantee that anyone would by the product and i also think that many great technologies arent used to their full potential coz some capitalist fucks claim "copyright" (look at that term - you need to ask for making a copy, thats bs ffs!).
im not a huge fan of capitalism of any kind.
but right now we do have capitalism. kespa didnt even ask blizzard all these years. they used something somebody else made to grow an economy on it without the creator getting anything.
not buying the game over bnet 2.0 flaws or other imperfections is understandable. not buying it coz you dont support blizzards policy is also understandable. but that you dont support this particular policy is bullshit.
kespa stole someone elses product to further their own benefit. and you are giving blizzard a hard time, when they are the ones that MADE the fucking game. how can kespa have more rights to the product than the people that made it? its completely beyond me. even if the sky comes crashin down coz of this you cant blame blizzard for it, blame kespa for not giving a fuck.
i dont understand all these people. >_< If it weren't for kespa and all the dedicated people that have put in tears, sweat and blood over the years, starcraft would have been long forgotten by now. Thanks to E-sports blizzard has 4.5 million copies sold in korea alone, and here they are bitching and moaning. It's the reality of corporations but it's also a prohibiting factor for the growth of E-sports. thats no fact. wgt, pgt, iccup - korea made none of this. tl, gg.net - kespa didnt make these. bwcl isnt their work either. i dont care about starcraft cause kespa build their little turf in their little country. they made a shiny turf, but its a small country, huge language barrier, doesnt reach people anywhere else except via what dedicated members of our OWN community bring to us. ive not been playing bw coz korea has two channels broadcasting the game. i played it because its a great game. our community doesnt depend in the slightest on korea. theres some inspiration coming from there but thats not kespas work, that comes from our guys and from the players themselves. yo cant hype korean esports as the best there'll ever be. it isnt the top of the world. Not the same for everybody though. Personally I think I would have lost interest in BW several years ago if not for the Korean progaming scene and I'm sure there are plently of others on this site who feel the same way. If Blizzard ruins the Korean progaming scene I foresee SC2 ending up with a similar scene to WC3- not terrible, but not particularly interesting either. maybe. but i strongly disagree with that wc3 comparison. wc3 is far from being as good a game as bw. it was an experiment to introduce rp elements into a competetive strategy game and failed horribly, having clonky visual design on top of that (unit style). wc3 failed because it was a terrible game. or to put it the other way around, in line with how FA sees this, it did amazingly well and well enough for being such a bad game. a more well made game can go infinitely further than that.
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On May 27 2010 20:51 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 20:46 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
who cares if blizzard is the one who made the game. so are they also going to sew everyone else who hosts amateur tournaments who need profit for venue fee? its obvious blizzard is just a fucking greedy ass company, just look at world of warcraft. SPECIFICALLY made to consume your money. i was always a BW conservative, and why move on to a game less skillfully demanding as its original? another reason for me to boycott sc2 kespa forbade their players from participating in gom. hows that furthering esports? it nicely illustrates their intention to cooperate with blizzard instead of fighting them. isnt kespa just as greedy, but DIDNT make the game? at worst blizzard appears to be at the same level at kespa, but they still made the game. kespa didnt do anything, yet isnt getting any blame from you people at all. its completely nuts.
Except kespa doesnt make a dime out of this other than advertisement.
Blizzard doesnt just want advertisement, they want money. They're taxing sponsors, games, broadcasts.
They both want control. I rather give control to KeSPA judging by Blizzard's track record.
Anyway, yesterday pretty much I decided that I'm not going to buy SC2 and pretty much not have anything to do with anything Gom TV related. This means that if OGN or MBC have to pay a dime to Gom TV, I'm quitting the SC scene.
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SC2 is going to be an amazingly fun game for even just 4 way ffa's on crappy 6 player maps and also at top end. Just to lighten up the mood here! can't wait.
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On May 27 2010 20:51 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 20:46 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
who cares if blizzard is the one who made the game. so are they also going to sew everyone else who hosts amateur tournaments who need profit for venue fee? its obvious blizzard is just a fucking greedy ass company, just look at world of warcraft. SPECIFICALLY made to consume your money. i was always a BW conservative, and why move on to a game less skillfully demanding as its original? another reason for me to boycott sc2 kespa forbade their players from participating in gom. hows that furthering esports? it nicely illustrates their intention to cooperate with blizzard instead of fighting them. isnt kespa just as greedy, but DIDNT make the game? at worst blizzard appears to be at the same level at kespa, but they still made the game. kespa didnt do anything, yet isnt getting any blame from you people at all. its completely nuts.
Koreans made the Korean e-sports scene, and kespa is now in charge of it. kespa is greedy is fuck, dont really like how they got to represent the whole esports scene, but they will keep esports running. blizzard wont.
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Somehow, the no-lan thing just derailed my anticipation for this game and recent developments caused me to decide not to buy the game at all...
well I'll just wait for someone to pirate it..and maybe put up lan..which blizzard will most probably tax..wait, why am I even thinking of playing this game..
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I haven't ordered the game yet, and probably won't for a long time.
BW for life.
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although i think most of the accusations here are right; blizzard being seemingly very greedy here, wanting total control.. i think that people are forgetting they did let everyone download and use their game for free, and still continue to do so. c'mon guys, sc2 is very new and fresh right now.. and blizz really does deserve the money.. what other gaming company can compete with them? hopefully someday when they are into newer games sc2 will become like sc1 and be free to all.
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On May 27 2010 21:07 bongjwa wrote:
although i think most of the accusations here are right; blizzard being seemingly very greedy here, wanting total control.. i think that people are forgetting they did let everyone download and use their game for free, and still continue to do so. c'mon guys, sc2 is very new and fresh right now.. and blizz really does deserve the money.. what other gaming company can compete with them? hopefully someday when they are into newer games sc2 will become like sc1 and be free to all.
Out of the 100+ games i have played in my life, I have bought only 6 of them: SC, SC:BW, Diablo2, Diablo2:LOD, WC3 and WC3:Frozen Throne. I could have pirated them easily, but decided not to because I supported the company. This is not the blizzard i used to know, however, and they have lost 1 loyal customer for their acts. I also don't like the game, and they haven't been very successful in fixing it (unit voice/sounds and bnet mainly).
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On May 27 2010 19:53 Thrill wrote:
I did so in response To Blizz signing
with gomTV. We all knew it was coming, but now that we know for certain that Blizz is content with ESPORTs in the form and shape of current World of Warcraft (ESL, gom, MLG then online ladder into Blizzcon as largest tournament), I'm out. I'll still play through the single player campaign(s) at a friends house or something, but I feel I can't reward this decision with my money.
I'm sorry if this is taken as inflammatory, but that's the exact word i'd use to describe Blizzards announcement.
I'm not encouraging anyone to do the same and I'm not expecting any sympathy, I just feel that it"s important in an ESPORT friendly community, the voices of all ESPORT fans are heard. Mine is one of them.
Make sure you tell Blizzard why you cancelled your pre-order!
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Yeah, I guess I'm with the majority of the people here. I'm probably going to pick up SC2 eventually, if only to play with friends with similar interests in Starcraft. With that being said...
Up until the end of 2009 or so, I had faith in Blizzard. Quite a bit, actually. I would say things like "Everything Blizzard touches turns into gold" and "Is SC2 going to be good? Of course, it's fucking Blizzard!". And I meant everything I said too. Growing up, Blizzard games were a big part of my life as a PC gamer, so you could say they had a special place in my heart. For the longest time, I thought Blizzard was "special", that they were the shining light in an industry plagued with mediocrity. I was under the impression that Blizzard really cared about their games, and most importantly, cared about the fans that continued to support them throughout the years.
Like I said, this was up until the end of 2009 or so. It's frightening how much of a heel turn my perspective on Blizzard has taken this past couple of months, but that's precisely what ended up happening. Lack of LAN, battle.net 2.0, the game itself... mild annoyances at first, but it all started adding up. I think the whole IP controversy was the point I finally came to the realization that Blizzard in its current incarnation is an entirely different company to the one I knew, loved, and grew up with. Now I realize just how gullible I've been, and I somehow feel like I've been betrayed.
I guess you could say I'm a bit... confused nowadays. A large part of me hopes that Blizzard proves me wrong, that they find a way to renew my faith in them. A smaller part of me already knows this isn't going to happen.
I'll chime in with a few other posters in saying that if they end up killing the BW scene, I'm going to be pissed off like you wouldn't believe.
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I've cancelled my pre-order as well. Waiting until a few months after release to see if Blizzard gets their act together.
I'm hoping there will be an underground ICCUP-style community as well in which case I will probably play there.
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On May 27 2010 19:59 Thrill wrote:
Yeah, the real-life name display of everyone is a real gem as well, if that makes it into final release I believe Blizzard will face legal issues.
Offcourse they won't, you agreed to that under the terms of use.
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On May 27 2010 21:30 Gigaudas wrote:
I'm hoping there will be an underground ICCUP-style community as well in which case I will probably play there.
Of course there won't, blizzard are taking a strict stance against private servers.
Blizzard has seen something emerge from the game they released ten years ago that they couldn't have imagined even in their wildest dreams. This has accounted for the amazing quantity of sales in korea but blizzard now has their eyes set on opportunities of profit that lay within this newly introduced e-sports industry. Instead they'll end up killing it in the process.
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i have also cancel my pre-order
i have play sc1 for more that 8 year and was waiting for sc2 since 3 year ago .
but blizzard are realy greedy and do everything wrong , they want control over everything and i cant play something bad like the new battle.net either. and im not talking about 100 other thing they did wrong with the game .
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United States1719 Posts
On May 27 2010 21:30 Spritescaper wrote:
Yeah, I guess I'm with the majority of the people here. I'm probably going to pick up SC2 eventually, if only to play with friends with similar interests in Starcraft. With that being said...
Up until the end of 2009 or so, I had faith in Blizzard. Quite a bit, actually. I would say things like "Everything Blizzard touches turns into gold" and "Is SC2 going to be good? Of course, it's fucking Blizzard!". And I meant everything I said too. Growing up, Blizzard games were a big part of my life as a PC gamer, so you could say they had a special place in my heart. For the longest time, I thought Blizzard was "special", that they were the shining light in an industry plagued with mediocrity. I was under the impression that Blizzard really cared about their games, and most importantly, cared about the fans that continued to support them throughout the years.
Like I said, this was up until the end of 2009 or so. It's frightening how much of a heel turn my perspective on Blizzard has taken this past couple of months, but that's precisely what ended up happening. Lack of LAN, battle.net 2.0, the game itself... mild annoyances at first, but it all started adding up. I think the whole IP controversy was the point I finally came to the realization that Blizzard in its current incarnation is an entirely different company to the one I knew, loved, and grew up with. Now I realize just how gullible I've been, and I somehow feel like I've been betrayed.
I guess you could say I'm a bit... confused nowadays. A large part of me hopes that Blizzard proves me wrong, that they find a way to renew my faith in them. A smaller part of me already knows this isn't going to happen.
I'll chime in with a few other posters in saying that if they end up killing the BW scene, I'm going to be pissed off like you wouldn't believe.
yea man, betrayal is the first word that comes to mind now when i think of blizz
edit: you know what my stupid one liner doesnt do ur post justice, your post was beautiful. Everything u said I was like "OMG THATS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL" gj man, i feel like somebody just took a load off of my chest
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Agreed, i'm not buying sc2 now because of blizzard's increasing trend towards short term money making endeavours. The company has changed alot since it was bought off vivendi. If they kill the BW esports scene I will never give them another cent and push for others to do the same.
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I think we should blame activision. They bought blizzard, and they're the ones behind guitar hero and WoW. I'm still getting my sc2 though
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Definitely preordering from TL =). Even if bnet2.0 somehow doesn't get fixed up, it's still a really fun game and the ums/custom maps will be awesome.
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Snet
United States3573 Posts
I'm still buying Starcraft 2. 
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Blizz needs to get out of their own little bubble and realize that it is the community and players that made what e-Sports is today. Not because Blizzard made the game, Blizzard made e-Sports and should have the right to control it.
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I'm addicted.
Love sc2
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I'm not sure that I even want to buy Starcraft 2 anymore. Maybe next year? Beta was as boring as Warcraft 3. It was only fun for about a day or so.
And all these things that Blizzard is doing to try to make more money off Starcraft 2... just feels so lame.
At least there is Diablo 3 to look forward to.
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When blizzard north left, so did the magic.
I don't know if I should buy the game or not.
I actually hate Blizzard/Activison.
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Spenguin
Australia3316 Posts
I am definitely buying Starcraft 2, it's a fucking amazing game
Haters gonna hate
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I`ve just ordered it through TL. Whether or not I buy it will not affect their policy, and I find the game very entertaining. You guys should relax a little and enjoy the nice weather outside or something.
The "OMG Blizzard is looking for a profit" argument is silly. It`s a freaking Giant Corporation, not your personal fluffy bunny of friendship. Of course they are going to try to make money off the game.
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United States1719 Posts
yup, definitely hating right about now
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sucks for you i'll be enjoying sc2 when it comes out
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cant believe you guys arnt buying starcraft2. its fricken SC2. alllll because you wont see the pro scene like we did in SC1.
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I think I speak for my 9 rl friends who haven't been discouraged by the beta and are still keeping their pre-orders, along with myself.
We've been having quite a good time with the beta.
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On May 27 2010 22:17 Spenguin wrote:
I am definitely buying Starcraft 2, it's a fucking amazing game
Haters gonna hate
Ppl aren't hating on sc2, they're hating on blizzard for taking over esports (which will cripple it) and destroying korean BW. I agree it's a good game but not worth buying if we're going to go back to the dark ages with no televised pro-teams. Samsung, skt1 and co. are not gonna support some shitty webcast GoM league that charges for HD.
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On May 27 2010 22:27 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 22:17 Spenguin wrote:
I am definitely buying Starcraft 2, it's a fucking amazing game
Haters gonna hate Ppl aren't hating on sc2, they're hating on blizzard for taking over esports (which will cripple it) and destroying korean BW. which is silly. people are overvaluing the korean esports scene.
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On May 27 2010 22:32 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 22:27 Scarecrow wrote:On May 27 2010 22:17 Spenguin wrote:
I am definitely buying Starcraft 2, it's a fucking amazing game
Haters gonna hate Ppl aren't hating on sc2, they're hating on blizzard for taking over esports (which will cripple it) and destroying korean BW. which is silly. people are overvaluing the korean esports scene.
considering this site was made to cover the korean esports scene....
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Battle net no doubt is a major failure.
The game itself is a top notch RTS, and I think anyone who claims its not is just letting their anger at some of the other short comings get the better of them.
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On May 27 2010 22:32 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 22:27 Scarecrow wrote:On May 27 2010 22:17 Spenguin wrote:
I am definitely buying Starcraft 2, it's a fucking amazing game
Haters gonna hate Ppl aren't hating on sc2, they're hating on blizzard for taking over esports (which will cripple it) and destroying korean BW. which is silly. people are overvaluing the korean esports scene.
Korean e-sports is hands down the best there is. Nothing can be compared to it.
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On May 27 2010 22:24 OneFierceZealot wrote:
cant believe you guys arnt buying starcraft2. its fricken SC2. alllll because you wont see the pro scene like we did in SC1.
Teamliquid.net, the Korean Progaming Website! hmmmm... now why would people be upset that the proscene will no longer be there?
P.S. Game is boring as hell. and battle.net 2 is epic fail. No proscene, no gameplay, no social aspect. Why buy?
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On May 27 2010 22:41 MaYuu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 22:32 enzym wrote:On May 27 2010 22:27 Scarecrow wrote:On May 27 2010 22:17 Spenguin wrote:
I am definitely buying Starcraft 2, it's a fucking amazing game
Haters gonna hate Ppl aren't hating on sc2, they're hating on blizzard for taking over esports (which will cripple it) and destroying korean BW. which is silly. people are overvaluing the korean esports scene. Korean e-sports is hands down the best there is. Nothing can be compared to it.
Honestly this is pretty subjective. Yes in BW (and possibly sc2) korea might have the best players but korean e-sports has been very boring to watch for me after 3-4years. I find the games to be far more exciting when players make mistakes then find a creative way to recover, instead of moving with mechanical limbs.
Edit: That being said, would BW have survived over all this time without the korean scene? Probably not. The korean scene is obviously influential but in my opinion it is stagnant. Time to move on to more exciting things =).
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On May 27 2010 20:38 enzym wrote:
thats no fact. wgt, pgt, iccup - korea made none of this. tl, gg.net - kespa didnt make these. bwcl isnt their work either. i dont care about starcraft cause kespa build their little turf in their little country. they made a shiny turf, but its a small country, huge language barrier, doesnt reach people anywhere else except via what dedicated members of our OWN community bring to us. ive not been playing bw coz korea has two channels broadcasting the game. i played it because its a great game. our community doesnt depend in the slightest on korea. theres some inspiration coming from there but thats not kespas work, that comes from our guys and from the players themselves.
yo cant hype korean esports as the best there'll ever be. it isnt the top of the world.
On May 27 2010 22:32 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 22:27 Scarecrow wrote:On May 27 2010 22:17 Spenguin wrote:
I am definitely buying Starcraft 2, it's a fucking amazing game
Haters gonna hate Ppl aren't hating on sc2, they're hating on blizzard for taking over esports (which will cripple it) and destroying korean BW. which is silly. people are overvaluing the korean esports scene.
Dude you're not making any sense, I don't think a lot of people would stand on your side opposing the fact that korean esport has promoted, spread and kept starcraft alive to a large extent over the past years. What the hell do you think these sites (gg.net, tl.net) are meant to be in the first place?
You're talking as if we'd have this cool community even if starcraft didn't catch on in korea the way it did. In reality these sites were originally meant to be portals into the world of korean esports. If starcraft wasn't unique in the fact that it's been the subject of a large emerging E-sports industry it would have been much less intriguing to a lot of us, and chances are people would have lost interest long ago as has happened in the case of many other excellent games (wc2 comes to mind). Are you new to the scene or something? I don't understand any of what you're saying.
Blizzard are opposed to private servers such as iccup. Game-i was shut down, and trust me when I say that blizzard will do everything in their power to oppose any attempts at creating private servers in sc2, no matter how large the disappointment over the official laddering system is among their fans.
On May 27 2010 22:17 Spenguin wrote:
I am definitely buying Starcraft 2, it's a fucking amazing game
Haters gonna hate
"Haters gonna hate"? That's so silly. Why do you think me and others are refraining from buying the sequel to the game that has been a great source of entertainment and joy for a large part of our lives? Could it maybe have something to do with blizzards decision making?
And even if this doesn't affect you directly, maybe you should stop and think of the implications of what blizzard is doing atm? What's the next step?
On May 27 2010 22:19 Grend wrote:
The "OMG Blizzard is looking for a profit" argument is silly. It`s a freaking Giant Corporation, not your personal fluffy bunny of friendship. Of course they are going to try to make money off the game.
There are more to business than plain opportunities of profit.. Like, not alienating big chunks of your most dedicated fanbase.
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Blizzard is just making it worse with every step they make... sigh
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Let's all just go back to SCBW, it's the superior game after all =)
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On May 27 2010 22:32 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 22:27 Scarecrow wrote:On May 27 2010 22:17 Spenguin wrote:
I am definitely buying Starcraft 2, it's a fucking amazing game
Haters gonna hate Ppl aren't hating on sc2, they're hating on blizzard for taking over esports (which will cripple it) and destroying korean BW. which is silly. people are overvaluing the korean esports scene.
Korean esports is the best thing that ever happened to Starcraft. It is the main reason for this website's existence.
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On May 27 2010 22:48 Zoler wrote:
Let's all just go back to SCBW, it's the superior game after all =)
Yeah until they port it to BNet 2.0 and make it unplayable that is!
Lets get our gaming time in while we still can!
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United States32036 Posts
On May 27 2010 19:59 Thrill wrote:
Yeah, the real-life name display of everyone is a real gem as well, if that makes it into final release I believe Blizzard will face legal issues.
this annoys me way more than anything else
my name isn't exactly very common and i don't want some idiot doing something stupid. and beyond that, with all the problems with identity theft these days, why the hell would this be mandatory
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United States1719 Posts
Oh im gonna be playing it alright, i assure you
I will just go through extreme measures to ensure that blizz doesnt get another dime out of me, which means i will try my damn best to pirate and distribute pirated copies myself
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The worst problem I have with this is that Blizzcon which is in OCTOBER will be more WoW/D3 based. Which kind of rains on my parade of having good SC times with people from TL since the main reason almost everyone wanted to go was for SC2. If Blizzard does take the wind out of Korea's E-Sports sails I don't know how much fun Blizzcon will be without them 
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Yeah, blizzard's just a name now, the people/dev team/directors/producers have changed so much.
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I never really planed to buy SC2 anyways. Maybe i woulda buy it just for respect of BW. But thats not the case anymore . Im disaponted in Blizzard on so many lvls so i will not buy any of their products in the future.
Ive always used pirated versions of games in the past but i got BW original just because i thought it was worth it to support Blizzard because they made such a good game. But now even if i wanna try SC2 i will use pirated version
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too bad it doesn't matter how many of us don't buy sc2. the damage is already done because everyone who makes things happen in e-sports especially outside of korea knows there will be way more money in sc2.
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Juvenile ramblings, yawn.
Grow up.
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I'm giving Blizzard the benefit of the doubt for now.
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On May 27 2010 22:32 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 22:27 Scarecrow wrote:On May 27 2010 22:17 Spenguin wrote:
I am definitely buying Starcraft 2, it's a fucking amazing game
Haters gonna hate Ppl aren't hating on sc2, they're hating on blizzard for taking over esports (which will cripple it) and destroying korean BW. which is silly. people are overvaluing the korean esports scene.
Yeah man, blizzard saw that StarCraft BroodWar will be a hit over at Korea and they let them have fun at it first by not taxing them with the tournaments and the starleagues and all. Fuck when a Blizzard representative visited Korea and saw Boxer play and how he sneaked out his scouting scv by building a supply depo behind the mineral line and then canceling to make the scv slip past the mineral line, the Blizzard rep had that coming but of course he had to say it fucking blew his socks off just to avoid getting lynch mobbed by the fans of the Emperor. Now they're gonna make Korea pay for broadcasted SC2 games. Blizzard so had professional StarCraft coming. I guess Korean eSports will only start to have value if Kepsa agrees with Blizzard on the IP.
Korean eSports is soooo overrated.
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I will but it. Either Blizzard will realize that bnet 2.0 is a total failure or some modders will take care of it, I am confident
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On May 27 2010 22:46 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 22:19 Grend wrote:
The "OMG Blizzard is looking for a profit" argument is silly. It`s a freaking Giant Corporation, not your personal fluffy bunny of friendship. Of course they are going to try to make money off the game. There are more to business than plain opportunities of profit.. Like, not alienating big chunks of your most dedicated fanbase.
Well duh. Youre adressing something else than what I was thinking about when I made that post though. I was thinking more of how Bnet.2.0 is set up. I honestly doubt whether this GOM-TV thing will "alienate" "big chunks" of the dedicated fanbase as you claim though. Only time will tell,
-Any change has to be negative
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On May 27 2010 20:38 KinosJourney2 wrote:
Starcraft's success was thanks to the players and constant renewal of maps.
I think as long as Blizzard listens to the players (*cough* high level players *cough*) and keeps the game fresh with new maps, tournaments and patches im pretty sure Starcraft 2 will be a worthy successor of the throne.
As long as Blizzard stays out of eSports, SC2 will grow and prosper, and so will BW.
I haven't pre-ordered SC2 yet, and I just switched back from the beta to BW. It's just a matter of me wanting to play the more interesting game, really. That's not to say that with the same love, attention, and dedication, SC2 won't be an interesting game, but at the moment, it's pretty mediocre to watch and play. I'll decide to buy or not buy SC2 based on whether or not I enjoy the game; just like I would with anything else.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Good luck pirating the game, guys. No one's been able to crack the beta, and it will probably take a long time to crack the actual game. I'm not going to lie: I think you're immature cheapskates if you're saying that you won't buy the full game based on the beta.
Any talk of pirating disgusts me TBH. Whatever justification people come up with it, it always comes down to the same thing: you're just being cheap.
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United States1719 Posts
On May 27 2010 23:41 Grend wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 22:46 hifriend wrote:On May 27 2010 22:19 Grend wrote:
The "OMG Blizzard is looking for a profit" argument is silly. It`s a freaking Giant Corporation, not your personal fluffy bunny of friendship. Of course they are going to try to make money off the game. There are more to business than plain opportunities of profit.. Like, not alienating big chunks of your most dedicated fanbase. Well duh. Youre adressing something else than what I was thinking about when I made that post though. I was thinking more of how Bnet.2.0 is set up. I honestly doubt whether this GOM-TV thing will "alienate" "big chunks" of the dedicated fanbase as you claim though. Only time will tell, -Any change has to be negative
you know what the first thing korean netizens said when this article popped up on fomos?
"I hate the gomtv commentators, i will not watch it"
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i'm also quite dissapointed in Blizzard, and by the choices they've been making. As a dedicated blizzard fan boy i've bought nearly every game they've made since Warcraft 2.
Now i'm starting to realize that they'll never be the same company i fell in love with.
I blame it on activision, which is one of the biggest offenders in the "DLC" scam, making people pay like $40 for a couple maps and a new mission. As everyone knows they plan on doing exactly this with starcraft, making it so you have to effectively buy three copies of the game.
I plan on buying wings of liberty as a show of faith. If they haven't fixed the rampant problems within b.net 2.0 and, within a few years, the problems within the company and it's management, then i won't be buying a blizzard product again.
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You'll be missing out on all the nice UMS's
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Didn't Blizzard already state the current friend system is just to test it out? I am sure they said that when it is released it will have an easier way to add non friend, friends. I like all these threads that pop up in a beta because the system isn't working 100% or is crap right now.
It doesn't matter how many people on team liquid don't buy SC2. You will still have the BW forums and the SC2 players will have the SC2 forums. I just hope the BW players keep their whinning out of the SC2 forums because it is really annoying to see so many babies crying over the same shit over and over.
Yes I am buying SC2 because I know Blizzard will spend as long as they can to perfect bnet 2.0. All the valve fanboys (I am one) should realise that Steam was a steamy pile of shit when it first came out as well.
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On May 27 2010 23:47 motbob wrote:
Good luck pirating the game, guys. No one's been able to crack the beta, and it will probably take a long time to crack the actual game. I'm not going to lie: I think you're immature cheapskates if you're saying that you won't buy the full game based on the beta.
Any talk of pirating disgusts me TBH. Whatever justification people come up with it, it always comes down to the same thing: you're just being cheap.
Blizzard is cheap too:
- No Lan
- Can't cross servers
- 3 x 59$
- Limited map editor
- Terrible Bnet so far ( ladder, chat etc ... )
- Facebook ( LOL )
- Poor privacy
And i'm not even talking about gameplay issues.
But you are right, we shouldn't pirate that game.
Why ? Because it is a mediocre at best.
Btw Blizzard is so delusional that they are trying to kill broodwar now.
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On May 27 2010 23:48 rotinegg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 23:41 Grend wrote:On May 27 2010 22:46 hifriend wrote:On May 27 2010 22:19 Grend wrote:
The "OMG Blizzard is looking for a profit" argument is silly. It`s a freaking Giant Corporation, not your personal fluffy bunny of friendship. Of course they are going to try to make money off the game. There are more to business than plain opportunities of profit.. Like, not alienating big chunks of your most dedicated fanbase. Well duh. Youre adressing something else than what I was thinking about when I made that post though. I was thinking more of how Bnet.2.0 is set up. I honestly doubt whether this GOM-TV thing will "alienate" "big chunks" of the dedicated fanbase as you claim though. Only time will tell, -Any change has to be negative you know what the first thing korean netizens said when this article popped up on fomos? "I hate the gomtv commentators, i will not watch it"
What does that prove? That people on Fomos can be rash and irrational as well? What people write on a internet forum and what they end up doing is two completely different things. It is too early to make any kind of conclusion about this only being bad for the pro scene.
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On May 27 2010 22:41 MaYuu wrote:Korean e-sports is hands down the best there is. Nothing can be compared to it.
yeah, and it exists only in korea, which is exactly my point. it doesnt affect esports anywhere else, and anywhere else is where WE are at. do you understand it now?
On May 27 2010 22:46 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 20:38 enzym wrote:
thats no fact. wgt, pgt, iccup - korea made none of this. tl, gg.net - kespa didnt make these. bwcl isnt their work either. i dont care about starcraft cause kespa build their little turf in their little country. they made a shiny turf, but its a small country, huge language barrier, doesnt reach people anywhere else except via what dedicated members of our OWN community bring to us. ive not been playing bw coz korea has two channels broadcasting the game. i played it because its a great game. our community doesnt depend in the slightest on korea. theres some inspiration coming from there but thats not kespas work, that comes from our guys and from the players themselves.
yo cant hype korean esports as the best there'll ever be. it isnt the top of the world. Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 22:32 enzym wrote:On May 27 2010 22:27 Scarecrow wrote:On May 27 2010 22:17 Spenguin wrote:
I am definitely buying Starcraft 2, it's a fucking amazing game
Haters gonna hate Ppl aren't hating on sc2, they're hating on blizzard for taking over esports (which will cripple it) and destroying korean BW. which is silly. people are overvaluing the korean esports scene. Dude you're not making any sense, I don't think a lot of people would stand on your side opposing the fact that korean esport has promoted, spread and kept starcraft alive to a large extent over the past years. What the hell do you think these sites (gg.net, tl.net) are meant to be in the first place? You're talking as if we'd have this cool community even if starcraft didn't catch on in korea the way it did. In reality these sites were originally meant to be portals into the world of korean esports. If starcraft wasn't unique in the fact that it's been the subject of a large emerging E-sports industry it would have been much less intriguing to a lot of us, and chances are people would have lost interest long ago as has happened in the case of many other excellent games (wc2 comes to mind). Are you new to the scene or something? I don't understand any of what you're saying. Blizzard are opposed to private servers such as iccup. Game-i was shut down, and trust me when I say that blizzard will do everything in their power to oppose any attempts at creating private servers in sc2, no matter how large the disappointment over the official laddering system is among their fans.
I don't think a lot of people would stand on your side opposing the fact that korean esport has promoted, spread and kept starcraft alive to a large extent over the past years.
im saying that that is hugely overvalued by a lot of people. korean esports is and has always been korean esports. it is great for korea, but it has done little for esports on a worldwide scene. you say: korea is the only place with a developed professional esports scene and in the same breath say that it is was has kept and promoted esport. it has not. all its work is limited to korea. it didnt do jackshit for esports in other places. it is one tiny country in the sea of countries that make up the worldwide esports scene (or should, for that matter).
You're talking as if we'd have this cool community even if starcraft didn't catch on in korea the way it did.
that is exactly what i am saying. read the above. i am not denying that it has been good entertainment for some people to watch proleague and that it set the bar quite high even for nonkorean gamers, inspiring them to try to live up to the same level of play. but other than that it has had no impact on nonkorean sc, let alone esports.
Are you new to the scene or something? I don't understand any of what you're saying.
i have been with this game since its release, since i first played a test-version / demo of it out of a pc magazine even before broodwar was released.
Blizzard are opposed to private servers such as iccup. Game-i was shut down, ...
gom was shut down, too, and that happened because of kespa.
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On May 28 2010 00:16 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 22:41 MaYuu wrote:Korean e-sports is hands down the best there is. Nothing can be compared to it. yeah, and it exists only in korea, which is exactly my point. it doesnt affect esports anywhere else, and anywhere else is where WE are at. do you understand it now? Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 22:46 hifriend wrote:On May 27 2010 20:38 enzym wrote:
thats no fact. wgt, pgt, iccup - korea made none of this. tl, gg.net - kespa didnt make these. bwcl isnt their work either. i dont care about starcraft cause kespa build their little turf in their little country. they made a shiny turf, but its a small country, huge language barrier, doesnt reach people anywhere else except via what dedicated members of our OWN community bring to us. ive not been playing bw coz korea has two channels broadcasting the game. i played it because its a great game. our community doesnt depend in the slightest on korea. theres some inspiration coming from there but thats not kespas work, that comes from our guys and from the players themselves.
yo cant hype korean esports as the best there'll ever be. it isnt the top of the world. On May 27 2010 22:32 enzym wrote:On May 27 2010 22:27 Scarecrow wrote:On May 27 2010 22:17 Spenguin wrote:
I am definitely buying Starcraft 2, it's a fucking amazing game
Haters gonna hate Ppl aren't hating on sc2, they're hating on blizzard for taking over esports (which will cripple it) and destroying korean BW. which is silly. people are overvaluing the korean esports scene. Dude you're not making any sense, I don't think a lot of people would stand on your side opposing the fact that korean esport has promoted, spread and kept starcraft alive to a large extent over the past years. What the hell do you think these sites (gg.net, tl.net) are meant to be in the first place? You're talking as if we'd have this cool community even if starcraft didn't catch on in korea the way it did. In reality these sites were originally meant to be portals into the world of korean esports. If starcraft wasn't unique in the fact that it's been the subject of a large emerging E-sports industry it would have been much less intriguing to a lot of us, and chances are people would have lost interest long ago as has happened in the case of many other excellent games (wc2 comes to mind). Are you new to the scene or something? I don't understand any of what you're saying. Blizzard are opposed to private servers such as iccup. Game-i was shut down, and trust me when I say that blizzard will do everything in their power to oppose any attempts at creating private servers in sc2, no matter how large the disappointment over the official laddering system is among their fans. I don't think a lot of people would stand on your side opposing the fact that korean esport has promoted, spread and kept starcraft alive to a large extent over the past years.im saying that that is hugely overvalued by a lot of people. korean esports is and has always been korean esports. it is great for korea, but it has done little for esports on a worldwide scene. you say: korea is the only place with a developed professional esports scene and in the same breath say that it is was has kept and promoted esport. it has not. all its work is limited to korea. it didnt do jackshit for esports in other places. it is one tiny country in the sea of countries that make up the worldwide esports scene (or should, for that matter). You're talking as if we'd have this cool community even if starcraft didn't catch on in korea the way it did.that is exactly what i am saying. read the above. i am not denying that it has been good entertainment for some people to watch proleague and that it set the bar quite high even for nonkorean gamers, inspiring them to try to live up to the same level of play. but other than that it has had no impact on nonkorean sc, let alone esports. Are you new to the scene or something? I don't understand any of what you're saying.i have been with this game since its release, since i first played a test-version / demo of it out of a pc magazine even before broodwar was released. Blizzard are opposed to private servers such as iccup. Game-i was shut down, ...gom was shut down, too, and that happened because of kespa.
Sure if you're so old school and in to e-sports you should know that Korean e-sports is the only e-sport that has truly blossomed. It sets marks for others and if e-sports can grow in Korea, why would it not in other places of the world. Well, same goes if it fails, why would it fail in Korea and not outside. They have a bigger fan base and years of experience. If they get run over by blizzard I'm sure there would be no one left to even try something this big. sc:bw or not. Korean e-sports sets the bar atm.
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On May 28 2010 00:01 sLiniss wrote:
You'll be missing out on all the nice UMS's
just read this about the ums : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=127066
yeah , the more you find about what blizzard do the more you want to remove the pre-order.....
they will be no cool ums in sc2 like we find in sc1 , unless they look ugly .
why you guy derail the topic to e-sport btw ? that only one of my 100 reason for dont play sc2 .
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On May 28 2010 00:27 MaYuu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 00:16 enzym wrote:On May 27 2010 22:41 MaYuu wrote:Korean e-sports is hands down the best there is. Nothing can be compared to it. yeah, and it exists only in korea, which is exactly my point. it doesnt affect esports anywhere else, and anywhere else is where WE are at. do you understand it now? On May 27 2010 22:46 hifriend wrote:On May 27 2010 20:38 enzym wrote:
thats no fact. wgt, pgt, iccup - korea made none of this. tl, gg.net - kespa didnt make these. bwcl isnt their work either. i dont care about starcraft cause kespa build their little turf in their little country. they made a shiny turf, but its a small country, huge language barrier, doesnt reach people anywhere else except via what dedicated members of our OWN community bring to us. ive not been playing bw coz korea has two channels broadcasting the game. i played it because its a great game. our community doesnt depend in the slightest on korea. theres some inspiration coming from there but thats not kespas work, that comes from our guys and from the players themselves.
yo cant hype korean esports as the best there'll ever be. it isnt the top of the world. On May 27 2010 22:32 enzym wrote:On May 27 2010 22:27 Scarecrow wrote:On May 27 2010 22:17 Spenguin wrote:
I am definitely buying Starcraft 2, it's a fucking amazing game
Haters gonna hate Ppl aren't hating on sc2, they're hating on blizzard for taking over esports (which will cripple it) and destroying korean BW. which is silly. people are overvaluing the korean esports scene. Dude you're not making any sense, I don't think a lot of people would stand on your side opposing the fact that korean esport has promoted, spread and kept starcraft alive to a large extent over the past years. What the hell do you think these sites (gg.net, tl.net) are meant to be in the first place? You're talking as if we'd have this cool community even if starcraft didn't catch on in korea the way it did. In reality these sites were originally meant to be portals into the world of korean esports. If starcraft wasn't unique in the fact that it's been the subject of a large emerging E-sports industry it would have been much less intriguing to a lot of us, and chances are people would have lost interest long ago as has happened in the case of many other excellent games (wc2 comes to mind). Are you new to the scene or something? I don't understand any of what you're saying. Blizzard are opposed to private servers such as iccup. Game-i was shut down, and trust me when I say that blizzard will do everything in their power to oppose any attempts at creating private servers in sc2, no matter how large the disappointment over the official laddering system is among their fans. I don't think a lot of people would stand on your side opposing the fact that korean esport has promoted, spread and kept starcraft alive to a large extent over the past years.im saying that that is hugely overvalued by a lot of people. korean esports is and has always been korean esports. it is great for korea, but it has done little for esports on a worldwide scene. you say: korea is the only place with a developed professional esports scene and in the same breath say that it is was has kept and promoted esport. it has not. all its work is limited to korea. it didnt do jackshit for esports in other places. it is one tiny country in the sea of countries that make up the worldwide esports scene (or should, for that matter). You're talking as if we'd have this cool community even if starcraft didn't catch on in korea the way it did.that is exactly what i am saying. read the above. i am not denying that it has been good entertainment for some people to watch proleague and that it set the bar quite high even for nonkorean gamers, inspiring them to try to live up to the same level of play. but other than that it has had no impact on nonkorean sc, let alone esports. Are you new to the scene or something? I don't understand any of what you're saying.i have been with this game since its release, since i first played a test-version / demo of it out of a pc magazine even before broodwar was released. Blizzard are opposed to private servers such as iccup. Game-i was shut down, ...gom was shut down, too, and that happened because of kespa. Sure if you're so old school and in to e-sports you should know that Korean e-sports is the only e-sport that has truly blossomed. It sets marks for others and if e-sports can grow in Korea, why would it not in other places of the world. Well, same goes if it fails, why would it fail in Korea and not outside. They have a bigger fan base and years of experience. If they get run over by blizzard I'm sure there would be no one left to even try something this big. sc:bw or not. Korean e-sports sets the bar atm.
you might want to differentiate. a great sport isnt made through the amount of money that goes into it. it is made by competition, and we had plenty of that, and it had nothing to do with korea. i wouldnt say that it didnt blossom here at all. it did. we have had and still have a great scene, at least in starcraft. there are some things that have made it crumble over that more than a decade time period, like the lack of a ladder and thus introduction of private ladders, which led to people abandoning their home channels on the original gateways and thus scattered the scene, the release of wc3, wow and now sc2 beta. but we did have our own leagues, tournaments and cups. the only thing thats different is the structure or the way and timeframe it took to come into existence and the amount of money involved. despite that, though, it is still esport. i played this game because of the german, then international scene. not because of koreans. pro matches were exciting to watch and to show you all the room that was still there for you to use to improve. but thats basically it.
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I'm one of those people who has faith that blizzard will do the right thing eventually. I am buying this game no matter what, with hopes that blizzard will polish this awful turd of a beta.
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I'm not saying this won't benefit the international scene in a short term perspective. I also am aware that Day9 will probably celebrate these news and he has my deepest sympathies and respect - but he's coming from a strong bias. His own brother was rejected by KeSPA and embraced by gom, so obviously his allegiance lies with the latter.
However - seeing the same logos on professional Korean athletes such as top golf players like Choi and Park - on young adults playing the same PC game i play, that's something so near and dear to my heart it's hard to describe it. The mainstream will never accept ESPORTs as something healthy like regular sports where kids run and sweat and come home to their parents with a healthy appetite. With sponsors like Pringles, Coca Cola and major banks and airlines, mainstream has no choice but to accept ESPORTs as something real.
We've always been able to point to Korea and say "hey look - in one generation an ESPORT final will be as big an event there as the '02 FIFA World Cup was", now - with another one-sponsor event like "intel classic" (very similar to ESL intel extreme masters) on its way, i'm not sure we'll be able to say that anymore.
Again, don't get me wrong - we all want to love Blizzard, but anything that hurts ESPORTs and the growth of the ESPORT scene hurts me personally and this signing with gomTV is one step forward and ninety-nine steps back. An ultimatum to cease all BW tournaments unless you sign a contract to pay off a competitor - come on, that's hostile and hurtful and people like myself will lash out.
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On May 28 2010 00:36 Megalisk wrote:
I'm one of those people who has faith that blizzard will do the right thing eventually. I am buying this game no matter what, with hopes that blizzard will polish this awful turd of a beta.
you have fayth in blizzard , why ? they are all new people working for blizzard , all the old people from 10 year ago have left . the people who create many great game you love are not the one working for sc2 .
blizzard is not blizzard anymore .
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On May 28 2010 00:34 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 00:27 MaYuu wrote:On May 28 2010 00:16 enzym wrote:On May 27 2010 22:41 MaYuu wrote:Korean e-sports is hands down the best there is. Nothing can be compared to it. yeah, and it exists only in korea, which is exactly my point. it doesnt affect esports anywhere else, and anywhere else is where WE are at. do you understand it now? On May 27 2010 22:46 hifriend wrote:On May 27 2010 20:38 enzym wrote:
thats no fact. wgt, pgt, iccup - korea made none of this. tl, gg.net - kespa didnt make these. bwcl isnt their work either. i dont care about starcraft cause kespa build their little turf in their little country. they made a shiny turf, but its a small country, huge language barrier, doesnt reach people anywhere else except via what dedicated members of our OWN community bring to us. ive not been playing bw coz korea has two channels broadcasting the game. i played it because its a great game. our community doesnt depend in the slightest on korea. theres some inspiration coming from there but thats not kespas work, that comes from our guys and from the players themselves.
yo cant hype korean esports as the best there'll ever be. it isnt the top of the world. On May 27 2010 22:32 enzym wrote:On May 27 2010 22:27 Scarecrow wrote:On May 27 2010 22:17 Spenguin wrote:
I am definitely buying Starcraft 2, it's a fucking amazing game
Haters gonna hate Ppl aren't hating on sc2, they're hating on blizzard for taking over esports (which will cripple it) and destroying korean BW. which is silly. people are overvaluing the korean esports scene. Dude you're not making any sense, I don't think a lot of people would stand on your side opposing the fact that korean esport has promoted, spread and kept starcraft alive to a large extent over the past years. What the hell do you think these sites (gg.net, tl.net) are meant to be in the first place? You're talking as if we'd have this cool community even if starcraft didn't catch on in korea the way it did. In reality these sites were originally meant to be portals into the world of korean esports. If starcraft wasn't unique in the fact that it's been the subject of a large emerging E-sports industry it would have been much less intriguing to a lot of us, and chances are people would have lost interest long ago as has happened in the case of many other excellent games (wc2 comes to mind). Are you new to the scene or something? I don't understand any of what you're saying. Blizzard are opposed to private servers such as iccup. Game-i was shut down, and trust me when I say that blizzard will do everything in their power to oppose any attempts at creating private servers in sc2, no matter how large the disappointment over the official laddering system is among their fans. I don't think a lot of people would stand on your side opposing the fact that korean esport has promoted, spread and kept starcraft alive to a large extent over the past years.im saying that that is hugely overvalued by a lot of people. korean esports is and has always been korean esports. it is great for korea, but it has done little for esports on a worldwide scene. you say: korea is the only place with a developed professional esports scene and in the same breath say that it is was has kept and promoted esport. it has not. all its work is limited to korea. it didnt do jackshit for esports in other places. it is one tiny country in the sea of countries that make up the worldwide esports scene (or should, for that matter). You're talking as if we'd have this cool community even if starcraft didn't catch on in korea the way it did.that is exactly what i am saying. read the above. i am not denying that it has been good entertainment for some people to watch proleague and that it set the bar quite high even for nonkorean gamers, inspiring them to try to live up to the same level of play. but other than that it has had no impact on nonkorean sc, let alone esports. Are you new to the scene or something? I don't understand any of what you're saying.i have been with this game since its release, since i first played a test-version / demo of it out of a pc magazine even before broodwar was released. Blizzard are opposed to private servers such as iccup. Game-i was shut down, ...gom was shut down, too, and that happened because of kespa. Sure if you're so old school and in to e-sports you should know that Korean e-sports is the only e-sport that has truly blossomed. It sets marks for others and if e-sports can grow in Korea, why would it not in other places of the world. Well, same goes if it fails, why would it fail in Korea and not outside. They have a bigger fan base and years of experience. If they get run over by blizzard I'm sure there would be no one left to even try something this big. sc:bw or not. Korean e-sports sets the bar atm. you might want to differentiate. a great sport isnt made through the amount of money that goes into it. it is made by competition, and we had plenty of that, and it had nothing to do with korea.
You say it's made by competition, then how come there's no foreigner that plays sc:bw even remotely as good as a decent Korean a-teamer? If we plenty of competition why did no one ever succeed as the Koreans did?
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On May 27 2010 20:22 cyclone25 wrote:
I will still buy the game, but I'll hate Blizzard forever, because the only thing they care is money and they use "esports" as an excuse for their actions.
kind of like this ^^ i like playing the game so ill buy it, but my once great faith in blizzard as a company is mostly gone
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On May 27 2010 20:55 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 20:50 tomatriedes wrote:On May 27 2010 20:38 enzym wrote:On May 27 2010 20:31 hifriend wrote:On May 27 2010 20:23 enzym wrote:
umm... actually its kespa who screwed over blizzard all these years making money off their IP. im not a fan of stuff like IP rights coz nobody's losing anything just from a copy. makin' a copy is different from actually stealing something. there's no guarantee that anyone would by the product and i also think that many great technologies arent used to their full potential coz some capitalist fucks claim "copyright" (look at that term - you need to ask for making a copy, thats bs ffs!).
im not a huge fan of capitalism of any kind.
but right now we do have capitalism. kespa didnt even ask blizzard all these years. they used something somebody else made to grow an economy on it without the creator getting anything.
not buying the game over bnet 2.0 flaws or other imperfections is understandable. not buying it coz you dont support blizzards policy is also understandable. but that you dont support this particular policy is bullshit.
kespa stole someone elses product to further their own benefit. and you are giving blizzard a hard time, when they are the ones that MADE the fucking game. how can kespa have more rights to the product than the people that made it? its completely beyond me. even if the sky comes crashin down coz of this you cant blame blizzard for it, blame kespa for not giving a fuck.
i dont understand all these people. >_< If it weren't for kespa and all the dedicated people that have put in tears, sweat and blood over the years, starcraft would have been long forgotten by now. Thanks to E-sports blizzard has 4.5 million copies sold in korea alone, and here they are bitching and moaning. It's the reality of corporations but it's also a prohibiting factor for the growth of E-sports. thats no fact. wgt, pgt, iccup - korea made none of this. tl, gg.net - kespa didnt make these. bwcl isnt their work either. i dont care about starcraft cause kespa build their little turf in their little country. they made a shiny turf, but its a small country, huge language barrier, doesnt reach people anywhere else except via what dedicated members of our OWN community bring to us. ive not been playing bw coz korea has two channels broadcasting the game. i played it because its a great game. our community doesnt depend in the slightest on korea. theres some inspiration coming from there but thats not kespas work, that comes from our guys and from the players themselves. yo cant hype korean esports as the best there'll ever be. it isnt the top of the world. Not the same for everybody though. Personally I think I would have lost interest in BW several years ago if not for the Korean progaming scene and I'm sure there are plently of others on this site who feel the same way. If Blizzard ruins the Korean progaming scene I foresee SC2 ending up with a similar scene to WC3- not terrible, but not particularly interesting either. maybe. but i strongly disagree with that wc3 comparison. wc3 is far from being as good a game as bw. it was an experiment to introduce rp elements into a competetive strategy game and failed horribly, having clonky visual design on top of that (unit style). wc3 failed because it was a terrible game. or to put it the other way around, in line with how FA sees this, it did amazingly well and well enough for being such a bad game. a more well made game can go infinitely further than that. In what way did wc3 fail? Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean it failed. It still has a large pro scene. I personally find it much, much more fun than SC1. I really hate how BW players act so superior over Warcraft 3. It requires a lot of skill, it is just much more heavily focused on micro than macro.
You say wc3 was a terrible game and that if failed as if it's a fact, but then you go on to say it did amazingly well..? It objectively didn't fail and isn't a terrible game. Those are facts. You can go and believe whatever you want though.
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There are a huge amount of misinformed posts in this thread regarding what functionality will be in release and what's just temporarily functional in the current state of Battle.net. This release will be just like every other Blizzard release: terrible day 1 server issues, lag due to "unexpected user volume", a day 1 balance patch, maintenance during peak hours, and in the end a game that's fun to play. SC2 is fun to play and has potential to be just as fun to watch as well (some games that we've seen from the current high level players have been pretty entertaining). There's no use raging or becoming disappointed over Activision's (non-)involvement or Blizzard's staff changes over the years, and frankly those are some of the dumbest reasons for what's essentially boycotting a game I've ever heard.
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You need to look at this way, the reason they started disputing over these rights is the fact they "sold licensing for a game they had no IP for" and they started developing SC2, realized that they didn't want Korea just freely making money off their game especially when they've been developing a 12 year awaited sequel, this was BOUND to happen esp with the release of SC2.
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On May 27 2010 23:47 motbob wrote:
Good luck pirating the game, guys. No one's been able to crack the beta, and it will probably take a long time to crack the actual game. I'm not going to lie: I think you're immature cheapskates if you're saying that you won't buy the full game based on the beta.
There is actually a cracked client that's been available almost since the first week of beta that lets you play Ai or watch replays. And at the very least, the Campaign can be cracked.
What's wrong with basing judgment on the game in it's beta? Beta is not too far from release, especially in this time frame considering Sc2 is released in two months.
Not paying for the game to show anguish is not too far from things people do in real life, like labour strikes or boycotting. The people aren't saying they're not gonna pay for Sc2 because they want to save money but because they don't want to support Blizzard.
Any talk of pirating disgusts me TBH. Whatever justification people come up with it, it always comes down to the same thing: you're just being cheap.
And you just revealed your trap card, Bias.
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This discussion is stupid. People are discussing the GOM-tv thing, and SC2`s failings on top of eachother, with a dash of whether or not to pirate the game. Makes no sense reading it.
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On May 28 2010 00:07 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 23:47 motbob wrote:
Good luck pirating the game, guys. No one's been able to crack the beta, and it will probably take a long time to crack the actual game. I'm not going to lie: I think you're immature cheapskates if you're saying that you won't buy the full game based on the beta.
Any talk of pirating disgusts me TBH. Whatever justification people come up with it, it always comes down to the same thing: you're just being cheap. Blizzard is cheap too: - No Lan - Can't cross servers - 3 x 59$ - Limited map editor - Terrible Bnet so far ( ladder, chat etc ... ) - Facebook ( LOL ) - Poor privacy And i'm not even talking about gameplay issues. But you are right, we shouldn't pirate that game. Why ? Because it is a mediocre at best. Btw Blizzard is so delusional that they are trying to kill broodwar now.
ROFL you're using the 3x$59 argument. I think SC1 is a huge ripoff guys, it's 2x$50!!! They're making you pay for 2 games!!!
Facebook integration is really useful, actually. I was able to play a few games with a friend who graduated from college because he found me via facebook.
On May 28 2010 00:51 RoarMan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 23:47 motbob wrote:
Good luck pirating the game, guys. No one's been able to crack the beta, and it will probably take a long time to crack the actual game. I'm not going to lie: I think you're immature cheapskates if you're saying that you won't buy the full game based on the beta. There is actually a cracked client that's been available almost since the first week of beta that lets you play Ai or watch replays. And at the very least, the Campaign can be cracked. What's wrong with basing judgment on the game in it's beta? Beta is not too far from release, especially in this time frame considering Sc2 is released in two months. Not paying for the game to show anguish is not too far from things people do in real life, like labour strikes or boycotting. The people aren't saying they're not gonna pay for Sc2 because they want to save money but because they don't want to support Blizzard. Show nested quote +
Any talk of pirating disgusts me TBH. Whatever justification people come up with it, it always comes down to the same thing: you're just being cheap.
And you just revealed your trap card, Bias.
B.net is a work in progress. Blizzard has always said this. They're planning to add chat channels after release, and they'll probably fix other issues as well.
It remains to be seen whether the campaign will be cracked. Maybe Blizz will make you log on to play it (although the backlash from that would be so enormous, dear god)
I am not going to judge the game on the beta because the catastrophic problems with b.net will not ship with the game. If Blizzard can not fix things like massive lag in 3v3 and 4v4, they will not ship the game on July 27th. If there is enough backlash from not being able to add friends in traditional fashion, Blizzard will change that, too. One month is plenty of time, and ever since the latest patch dropped an atomic bomb on the servers, I've suspected that the game will be delayed anyway.
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On May 28 2010 01:03 motbob wrote:
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I really think about not buying the game, because of some bnet 2 stuff they did (mentioned by Boblion earlier). However, it is so hard to resist. I feel like I am going to miss a lot, if I don't buy the game. If I changed my mind later (or blizzard changes some stuff) it would be a hard time to catch up, because everybody would be ahead in gameplay and knowlegde. Also sooo many people will play it, that you can play with a lot of real life friends as well, not only guys you just know from the internet.
On the other hand one can watch freakin everything on youtube and read on the forums. I guess there is going to be like a million streams showing the singleplayer. If esports for sc2 gets so much fun to watch like its predecessor, then theres no need to buy it anyways. I guess it is a normal step for Blizzard to license its products progame use, even though I would have preferred to keep it free. Blizzard is no longer a "hero", but part of a huge company that sells its product. It's just like in soccer, its no about having the best games possibles and freedom of use, but having good games, controlling the marked and earning even more money.
If I had the money to easily buy the game, I guess that I would go ahead and buy it. But I can't easily afford it, so those reasons might keep me from buying it.
btw, Reading this thread is like reading the thread about the korean starcraft talk about the game rigging. People are dissapointed in both threads (in the riggers there and in Blizzard here). However, it is somehow manageable to deal with some (potentially more) riggers, but how to deal with the main boss? Our power is pretty limited, yet again it's just a game.
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QUOTE]On May 27 2010 20:18 hifriend wrote:
I have lost all faith in blizzard.
Come to think of it, I haven't even enjoyed any of their titles since diablo 1/2, starcraft, and wc 1 and 2 and that was about 10 years ago. I have basically went from loving blizzard and their games above all others to the point where I'm considering not even buying sc2. Which imo isn't even that great of a game, just another modern rts except it has a huge established crowd dead set on turning a mediocre game into an e-sport.[/QUOTE]
ditto ditto ditto., Exactly my toughts everyone is so hype about SC2 just because SC1 was good and they say to themselves and try to make it look better than it is. But actually its not that good.
Will SC2 become an E-sport? for sure, if the community keeps playing it will become a void E-sport. To be honest it was the players themselves that build the SC1 starcraft comunity, BUT they did with a strong base, which was a GOOD game. Im afraid that if you try to make SC2 an E-sport, you will fail and the comunity will shatter, more than its now. (People hating SC2 and people who loves SC2).
Sorry for the Off-topic
Anyways, Blizzard has seen the future of E-sports and now it wants to have total control over it. Its ridicolous how they have changed over the years and thats the reason why the games generation. In simple put, they are more focus on getting money now, while before they really loved to make games. That means that now they do anything to attract new customers/players rather than keep the ones they already have. thats why newer games and patches are so shitty... they are trying to lure new (that will most likely be bad at playing) by offering them easy playable games that they can feel really pros. Thats why WoW started to suck after burning crusade, thats why Warcraft3 didnt had that much success. Actually the only difference I can feel between W3 and SC2 its that W3 didnt had the fan base support as SC2 is having and actually. In fact to my eyes W3 is much better than SC2 and in W3 at least there is micro required to do great plays like surrounding heros and timing items spells to get the most of them, in SC2 all I see even from gamers like nony and others is BO's and Macro, which are not suppoused to be the base of any RTS game, it just leads me to think that people want to play this game BGH style. The one who has more resources and more army (given that any monkey with average knowledge of the game could know how to make his army composition) wins. theres no much more micro than 1a2a ( cuz 2 groups are fine for the majority of the game.
Anyways, to sum up, Blizzard has turned into a cashmachine that only cares about bringing more new players (+noobs=+games bought), and controling everything they can. Ofc Blizzard has the rights to its games, but thats only legaly, moraly it has definetly no right to claim anything from starcraft as an E-sport, because during the first 7 years of it, they did not believe in the game, and did not help it to grow in any way as an E-sport.
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No more televised BW matches?
No more ICCUP?
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On May 28 2010 01:03 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 00:07 Boblion wrote:On May 27 2010 23:47 motbob wrote:
Good luck pirating the game, guys. No one's been able to crack the beta, and it will probably take a long time to crack the actual game. I'm not going to lie: I think you're immature cheapskates if you're saying that you won't buy the full game based on the beta.
Any talk of pirating disgusts me TBH. Whatever justification people come up with it, it always comes down to the same thing: you're just being cheap. Blizzard is cheap too: - No Lan - Can't cross servers - 3 x 59$ - Limited map editor - Terrible Bnet so far ( ladder, chat etc ... ) - Facebook ( LOL ) - Poor privacy And i'm not even talking about gameplay issues. But you are right, we shouldn't pirate that game. Why ? Because it is a mediocre at best. Btw Blizzard is so delusional that they are trying to kill broodwar now. ROFL you're using the 3x$59 argument. I think SC1 is a huge ripoff guys, it's 2x$50!!! They're making you pay for 2 games!!!
I love how you are only picking one point and don't even try to understand how it is related to the others.
I have no problem paying 180$ for a real Bnet 2.0. I could even pay more. But there is no way i'm spending 180$ for a dumbed down Bnet 0.5 and a poor game.
On May 28 2010 01:03 motbob wrote:
Facebook integration is really useful, actually. I was able to play a few games with a friend who graduated from college because he found me via facebook.
Yea totally awesome man. Way more important than those useless features like channels, cross servers, or a proper ladder.
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United States32036 Posts
On May 28 2010 00:51 RoarMan wrote:
Not paying for the game to show anguish is not too far from things people do in real life, like labour strikes or boycotting. The people aren't saying they're not gonna pay for Sc2 because they want to save money but because they don't want to support Blizzard.
Except labor strikes are actually for dire things, like unsafe working conditions or worker rights. And in boycotts, you typically don't go out and utilize the product you're boycotting anyway....
but yeah bro, fight the system and stuff. You ain't cheap!
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Meh, face it. Blizzard ballooned after WoW, all the oldtimers left, and Blizzard North died. Blizzard no longer is the little company that does everything it can to be unique and create extremely high quality games. Dustin Browder is from EA and was the developer of RA and CC Generals. Old Blizzard is dead. New Blizzard is no different from EA, Ubisoft, or any other massive gaming conglomerate.
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i respect your decision, I myself have a lot of problems with blizzard.
But my love of starcraft outweighs my dissapointment with Blizzard, so ill still be buying this game.
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On May 27 2010 20:03 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 19:59 Navane wrote:On May 27 2010 19:55 micronesia wrote:
A lot of features of beta (such as how they changed the friend system) are discouraging me from buying the game. However, since I don't know what will or won't be in the final release (and subsequent patches), I'm just going to buy the game anyway even if they keep certain features I really hate. I of course am not happy about the lack of offline play, the ums publishing system, lack of chat rooms, etc...
If blizzard doesn't fix these things they'll have some explaining to do. If you buy the game regardless, blizzard has no explaining to do to you, actually. If they do something very unpopular and are getting torn apart from a large part of their fanbase (those who bought the game even) then they will have some explaining to do whether or not it's because we boycotted the game. Of course they could just ignore us anyway but w/e... not going to worry about things that might not become problems...
BW players are a small part of the fanbase.
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On May 28 2010 00:51 RoarMan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 23:47 motbob wrote:
Good luck pirating the game, guys. No one's been able to crack the beta, and it will probably take a long time to crack the actual game. I'm not going to lie: I think you're immature cheapskates if you're saying that you won't buy the full game based on the beta. There is actually a cracked client that's been available almost since the first week of beta that lets you play Ai or watch replays. And at the very least, the Campaign can be cracked. What's wrong with basing judgment on the game in it's beta? Beta is not too far from release, especially in this time frame considering Sc2 is released in two months. Not paying for the game to show anguish is not too far from things people do in real life, like labour strikes or boycotting. The people aren't saying they're not gonna pay for Sc2 because they want to save money but because they don't want to support Blizzard. Show nested quote +
Any talk of pirating disgusts me TBH. Whatever justification people come up with it, it always comes down to the same thing: you're just being cheap.
And you just revealed your trap card, Bias. User was banned for this post.
I fail to see why this post warranted a ban..
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On May 28 2010 01:03 motbob wrote:
ROFL you're using the 3x$59 argument. I think SC1 is a huge ripoff guys, it's 2x$50!!! They're making you pay for 2 games!!!
Actually... Brood War was 30 bucks out of the gate. Which was partially why it was so awesome.
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On May 28 2010 02:53 daz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 00:51 RoarMan wrote:On May 27 2010 23:47 motbob wrote:
Good luck pirating the game, guys. No one's been able to crack the beta, and it will probably take a long time to crack the actual game. I'm not going to lie: I think you're immature cheapskates if you're saying that you won't buy the full game based on the beta. There is actually a cracked client that's been available almost since the first week of beta that lets you play Ai or watch replays. And at the very least, the Campaign can be cracked. What's wrong with basing judgment on the game in it's beta? Beta is not too far from release, especially in this time frame considering Sc2 is released in two months. Not paying for the game to show anguish is not too far from things people do in real life, like labour strikes or boycotting. The people aren't saying they're not gonna pay for Sc2 because they want to save money but because they don't want to support Blizzard.
Any talk of pirating disgusts me TBH. Whatever justification people come up with it, it always comes down to the same thing: you're just being cheap.
And you just revealed your trap card, Bias. User was banned for this post. I fail to see why this post warranted a ban..
he's advertising piracy.
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On May 28 2010 02:53 daz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 00:51 RoarMan wrote:On May 27 2010 23:47 motbob wrote:
Good luck pirating the game, guys. No one's been able to crack the beta, and it will probably take a long time to crack the actual game. I'm not going to lie: I think you're immature cheapskates if you're saying that you won't buy the full game based on the beta. There is actually a cracked client that's been available almost since the first week of beta that lets you play Ai or watch replays. And at the very least, the Campaign can be cracked. What's wrong with basing judgment on the game in it's beta? Beta is not too far from release, especially in this time frame considering Sc2 is released in two months. Not paying for the game to show anguish is not too far from things people do in real life, like labour strikes or boycotting. The people aren't saying they're not gonna pay for Sc2 because they want to save money but because they don't want to support Blizzard.
Any talk of pirating disgusts me TBH. Whatever justification people come up with it, it always comes down to the same thing: you're just being cheap.
And you just revealed your trap card, Bias. User was banned for this post. I fail to see why this post warranted a ban..
Something about TL not supporting piracy is my guess.
Because TL doesn't support piracy?
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I love how some people here assume that StarCraft2 has to be big in korea for it to be successful.
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On May 28 2010 02:59 Kralic wrote:
Something about TL not supporting piracy is my guess.
Because TL doesn't support piracy?
you mean like that post of the very first page of this thread?
On May 27 2010 20:12 Last Romantic wrote:
Yeah I'm considering just pirating it as well. The way the game is heading, I don't see any reason why I should pay money for it.
on topic: TBH i'm not impressed from what i've played of the beta as far the multiplayer aspect goes. the ladder system is good, but ony to a point. also, i'm not a fan of blizzard's balancing to date. i originally wanted to pick up SC2 for its single player but I'm going to wait for reviews to see what other people have to say about the campaign, that is, if it is indeed "as long as starcraft 1 combined".
its not like game companies haven't screwed us over before *cough halo 2 cough*
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Maybe you should protest KeSPA since they refused to negotiate with Blizzard on the terms of an IP they created and own. If they really cared about esports they would do whats best for the players and let them keep playing, while respecting blizzards desire to have some control over their IP.
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i also just cancelled my order.
i played the beta... didn't like it.
blizzard isn't responding to MANY of our complaints.
and the game also isn't going where i thought it would.
sooooo well... sorry but im not using my money or time on this game.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Warning: publicly supporting piracy on this forum is bannable
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Gonna just be honest here, blizzards probably not gonna miss your 60$
But, you can cancel after getting a beta key?
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On May 28 2010 02:45 SoManyDeadLings wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 20:03 micronesia wrote:On May 27 2010 19:59 Navane wrote:On May 27 2010 19:55 micronesia wrote:
A lot of features of beta (such as how they changed the friend system) are discouraging me from buying the game. However, since I don't know what will or won't be in the final release (and subsequent patches), I'm just going to buy the game anyway even if they keep certain features I really hate. I of course am not happy about the lack of offline play, the ums publishing system, lack of chat rooms, etc...
If blizzard doesn't fix these things they'll have some explaining to do. If you buy the game regardless, blizzard has no explaining to do to you, actually. If they do something very unpopular and are getting torn apart from a large part of their fanbase (those who bought the game even) then they will have some explaining to do whether or not it's because we boycotted the game. Of course they could just ignore us anyway but w/e... not going to worry about things that might not become problems... BW players are a small part of the fanbase.
It's not just bw players who are put at a disadvantage by a lot of the things we are seeing in beta... but of course you a right a large % of the players also won't give a crap about most of them.
On May 28 2010 04:41 Kennigit wrote:
Warning: publicly supporting piracy on this forum is bannable
I'm going to become the pirate king!
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no chat channel ? = cancel game
sorry but you fail right here blizzard i dont need to talk about the lan option and the 100 other thing you did wrong .
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Canada7170 Posts
I might cancel the CE and get the normal version. I just want to play single player and UMS with my friends now. I wanted to support Blizz by buying the CE but now I don't really want to support them.
And for whoever says that they won't care about my $40 it's the principle that matters. It makes me feel vindicated.
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you guys are all cheap lil bitches, spend some money!
User was warned for this post
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I'll probably either play single player at someones house or acquire it through certain measures, but my main point is that Blizzard will never get a cent from me for SC2. I've bought SC1 a few times by now too and have multiple keys to use, or as a present to give out(20 dollars right now, great value). But for those getting SC2, good luck with that.
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On May 28 2010 07:33 mikeymoo wrote:
I might cancel the CE and get the normal version. I just want to play single player and UMS with my friends now. I wanted to support Blizz by buying the CE but now I don't really want to support them.
And for whoever says that they won't care about my $40 it's the principle that matters. It makes me feel vindicated.
Hey im going to do the same thing!!! cept i never ordered the CE
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Yarrrrrrr...
I'm not buying this game.
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For me it has come down to the game being really boring to watch. I've given beta a good go too, watching probably over 40 full games. We know what made Brood War awesome to watch but very little made it into SC2. Blizzard missed pretty much everything that made BW amazing and kept a lot of stuff that was irrelevent to making the game good.
General gameplay:
-xel'naga watchtowers remove the need for solid scouting and game knowledge. why bother when you can see 50% of the map?
-units don't move like they "should" compared to BW. where's moving shot? everything clumps super tight!
-very little unit micro apart from ability gimmicks (wc3 anyone?)
-hard counters noooooo! seems like it's a constant game of getting the counter units, rather than watching boxer/jaedong/bisu completely outplay their opponent with tactics and micro
-most battles consist of throwing armies at each other and see who comes ahead
-everything looks like it handles just like a valkyrie and we know how much people loved valkyries
Specific units:
-collosus are boring! especially when reaver/shuttle was so cool
-reapers are one of the most uninteresting units i've ever seen. one trick pony! works against bads, useless against good players
-immortal/roach/marauder are all pretty similar to watch. high damage, high damage soaking, nothing exciting
-thors are just attack move with an ability. YAWN!
-just as many unused units as BW. nobody uses battlecruisers/carriers/mothership/ultralisk/archons/reapers
I could go on and on about units but I won't bother.
I also really dislike a lot of the animations and sounds. Zerglings attacking still sounds like a wet newspaper. You can barely hear or see marines shooting. Hydralisk attacks are near invisible and don't sound nearly as cool as BW. Same with mutalisks! Zerg voice acting sucks in general, don't really know what to say.
To finish, I really don't think Blizzard understands what made BW amazing to watch and play - even though I'm sure the developers didn't intend some of it. Units had such a great relationship with eachother. Bio terran versus defiler play? It usually came down to positioning and micro. You could see who was the better player. Winning came down to game knowledge mixed with map knowledge, APM and where you spent your attention.
Anyway I've tried to cover too many things in this post. SC2 gameplay so far is a huge dissapointment to me. That and battle.net 0.2 (LOL!~!~!).
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Why does these sorts of topics produce most drama?
Its not fun, insighful or thought provoking... if you don't want to buy the game, then don't. Big deal...
I really wish more people thought like me on this matter so these sorts of threads/blog entries would go into a thread graveyard instantly
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im with u , blizzard is just being too greedy everything they are doing relates to money . it doesnt matter if they charge us money for the good stuff but they r fu***** us up with the non chat rooms and no lan features and all those shi*** stuff. its stupid what they r doing.
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Canada7170 Posts
Just canceled mine. Very disappointed.
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I thought about it for a couple of days, then decided to cancel my special edition order. I have to say- I'm really surprised I did this. If you told me 12 years ago I wouldn't be buying Starcraft 2 the day it was out, I would have told you that you were insane.
I'll probably buy it when the price has gone down, at least for the single player. But as it is, they don't really seem to care what we think. The fact that they broke Warcraft 3 balance with their changes to the blademaster and have left it like that doesn't exactly increase my confidence either.
Something just feels really off... went back and played Starcraft today, and boy did it feel a million times better. And that's how it felt 10 years ago- natural.
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I'm buying the game (CE edition) for a mass of other reasons than a few walls that make community rough to handle. These are the same reasons that I had originally set on a few years ago before I even got into the competitive side of the game.
I want to play the single player campaign. I love the story so much and I would buy these JUST for that. The multiplayer is just an added bonus.
It still has multiplayer. Nothing on Bnet is making my matches more annoying or boring (aside from that odd minimap glitch). To be honest, when it boils down to it, I could care less about talking to people in the game itself. I'm so used to no one saying anything in most online games that it doesn't bug me.
And I just get this feeling that the community will work things out if they really want SC2 to do well as a competitive game. If they feel really strongly, they'll do something. If Blizzard is intent on destroying any attempts when they come up, then maybe I will just drop my support of them.
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On May 27 2010 19:59 Navane wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 19:55 micronesia wrote:
A lot of features of beta (such as how they changed the friend system) are discouraging me from buying the game. However, since I don't know what will or won't be in the final release (and subsequent patches), I'm just going to buy the game anyway even if they keep certain features I really hate. I of course am not happy about the lack of offline play, the ums publishing system, lack of chat rooms, etc...
If blizzard doesn't fix these things they'll have some explaining to do. If you buy the game regardless, blizzard has no explaining to do to you, actually.
There's still the expansions that you can choose not to buy. And you could order a bunch of pizzas ($60 worth) and have it delivered to their headquarters in Irvine, CA to get even with them. You can also tell your non RTS hardcore friends that sc2 is meh and that it's not worth purchasing.
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Yeah, same - I decided that from almost the beginning.
Played it for a good couple weeks and decided not to buy it
1. I'm not too interested in gaming THAT much anymore, got life stuff that is ultimately better and more fun
2. Looks like by all this rant about Battle net and the game itself, kinda going downhill (?)
and hell, you'd think Blizzard made enough off WoW 
3. I enjoy spectating and writing about it a lot more now than actually playing it myself
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gamestop won't let me cancel my preorder =_= $109 bucks down the drain
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I kinda want to cancel my pre order, but I had a $10 game credit from Amazon, so I'm paying $49 instead of $59. I still want to play the game for the single player since I like the game's story and to play w/ my friends from time to time. At this rate, I don't think I'm gonna play this game competitively.
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