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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
May 21 2010 16:02 GMT
#1
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Everybody knows who Shin Sang Moon is. (T)Leta is the Ace match bonjwa and the ace of the 6 (yes, SIX) man team of the hite Sparkyz.
(T)Leta, like (T)Sea, never really made it much far in individual leagues. As far as i remember, he reached Bacchus 2009 OSL Quarterfinals only to be toppled by fellow zerg teammate (Z)type-b. He one of the best (if not the best) wraith micro. He owned most zergs with two, or even three, ports. He has superb TvT that can be at par with (T)Flash (they're 3:3 head-to-head). Only his TvP is questionable of all, only a bit above 50%. But that doesn't mean he can't win TvP, its just his worst match-up. He lead the sparkyz last year in proleague but choked during the playoffs by going 0-3 against CJ.

Many people in korea (i cant determine source but i read it somewhere here in tl) call him as the "S-Class test". Its because he almost fails everytime he faces S-Class players (he still haven't won one against Jaedong!) but consistently wins against non S-class players. But my question is, do you consider Leta as S-class?

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Leta's record


Poll: Should Leta be S-Class?

No (88)
 
57%

Meh, between A to S-Class (43)
 
28%

Yes (23)
 
15%

154 total votes

Your vote: Should Leta be S-Class?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Meh, between A to S-Class



Sorry if OP's bad, I rarely post op's >.<

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love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
May 21 2010 16:06 GMT
#2
Why do you think his record is good? Compare to Jaedong/Flash. S-class players can't have crappy matchups and his vP is BARELY > 50%.

Though the principle of "S-Class" has been dead for a while now... Pretty much it's just Flash as God, Jaedong as legitimate challenger and everybody else = scrubs. Sure we see flashes of brilliance from the likes of a few players, but they don't have the roundedness or consistency not to get roflstomped on occasion.
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nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
May 21 2010 16:08 GMT
#3
voted yes cause i really love leta, im sorry ^_^
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
May 21 2010 16:11 GMT
#4
To be honest, if he needs to get farther in individual leagues in my opinion. He had his chances, but narrowly lost to Type-B and Luxury. He'd have to make a final or 2 semifinals in one season and/or improve his proleague performance even more. Then you have the people that will come in here and say he can't be S-class cuz of his gimmicky style. Honestly, he gets results so it doesnt matter in my opinion. Light and Sea have the same problem as him just not doing well in individual leagues no matter what.

So, imo in his prime he was in between A and S, but right now he is firmly A. If he gets the results in individual leagues he will move up imo. Then again this is all just my opinion.
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
May 21 2010 16:11 GMT
#5
If Leta is S-class Flash is GOD MODE class.
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
May 21 2010 16:12 GMT
#6
Too arbitrary, but no, he's not good enough. No one calls him S class because, like you say, he's never accomplished anything in individual leagues.
KTY
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
May 21 2010 16:18 GMT
#7
i really hate it when people call him gimmicky.
i remember he played against pure in the OSL in heartbreak ridge and used ghosts, lockdown and nukes in a really drawn out game, and people call him gimmicky.
hiya uses the same. ghosts and stuff and people call him entertaining. wtf?
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Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
May 21 2010 16:28 GMT
#8
there's "A-Class" and "B-Class" also
i think Leta is "A-Class"

"S-Class" is like lee ssang taek bang (bisu not so much anymore though)
Nony is Bonjwa
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
May 21 2010 16:34 GMT
#9
dude i'm his biggest fan and he's not close

he's solidly A but only Jaedong and Flash are S right now
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lowbright
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
308 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 16:38:21
May 21 2010 16:38 GMT
#10
this thread is like a year late
leta used to be godly, now he's just another really good player.
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sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
May 21 2010 16:42 GMT
#11
S-Class is just an arbitrary classification for extremely good players. If you want to think Leta is S-Class, I don't see how anyone can argue with you, since there's no real definition for the term. All it really means is a really good player.
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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
May 21 2010 16:43 GMT
#12
On May 22 2010 01:38 lowbright wrote:
this thread is like a year late
leta used to be godly, now he's just another really good player.

leta has never been godly

he's just extremely consistent in how good he is so when he runs into a stream of mediocre players he wrecks every one of them and it makes him look good because he's better than them and then he's about 50/50 with anyone in his skill range except jaedong whom he can't beat
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 21 2010 16:44 GMT
#13
On May 22 2010 01:11 Nick_54 wrote:
To be honest, if he needs to get farther in individual leagues in my opinion. He had his chances, but narrowly lost to Type-B and Luxury. He'd have to make a final or 2 semifinals in one season and/or improve his proleague performance even more. Then you have the people that will come in here and say he can't be S-class cuz of his gimmicky style. Honestly, he gets results so it doesnt matter in my opinion. Light and Sea have the same problem as him just not doing well in individual leagues no matter what.

So, imo in his prime he was in between A and S, but right now he is firmly A. If he gets the results in individual leagues he will move up imo. Then again this is all just my opinion.

This.

An S-class player needs to be able to prove his ability in all settings. A player like Leta who has never won a televised Bo5 cannot be considered S-class.
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skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
May 21 2010 16:45 GMT
#14
lol, i think s-class test is the perfect designation for him
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
May 21 2010 16:49 GMT
#15
On May 22 2010 01:43 Crunchums wrote:
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On May 22 2010 01:38 lowbright wrote:
this thread is like a year late
leta used to be godly, now he's just another really good player.

leta has never been godly

he's just extremely consistent in how good he is so when he runs into a stream of mediocre players he wrecks every one of them and it makes him look good because he's better than them and then he's about 50/50 with anyone in his skill range except jaedong whom he can't beat



so true
but watching Leta beating someone better makes me so happy, hoping he improves so much that he can be one of the best terrans ever

he made top3 terran in kespa before and top 1 in PR (not so sure about this though).
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Deleted User 55994
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
949 Posts
May 21 2010 16:50 GMT
#16
what do people consider s class, because if letas s class then there's 15 of them
Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
May 21 2010 17:16 GMT
#17
I always mention this in every thread concerning Leta, but I will say it again. Leta is, for all intents and purposes, the successor to Sea[Shield]. An excellent player who carries his team in Proleague, but that will most likely never achieve much in the individual leagues.

So he is just like Sea[Shield]....better then his A-level peers, but never quite good enough to make it to S-class. So even if he does ocassionally have a streak of wins, I doubt this will ever change.
You and your "5 years of competitive RTS experience" can take a hike. - FrozenArbiter
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 21 2010 17:18 GMT
#18
leta isn't s-class now but he was before for awhile.
EPO
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada341 Posts
May 21 2010 17:33 GMT
#19
he's close but not there
QueueQueue
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada1000 Posts
May 21 2010 18:25 GMT
#20
Between A and S- Class I'd say.
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