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DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
May 21 2010 19:13 GMT
#21
eh. he's a "good" player
not up there in "legendary" which is S class

only Jaedong and Flash have the honor of being "S"

same with an "in form" Bisu
which is long gone
cw)minsean(ru
FireBlast!
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United Kingdom5251 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 19:27:28
May 21 2010 19:26 GMT
#22
On May 22 2010 02:16 Tom Phoenix wrote:
I always mention this in every thread concerning Leta, but I will say it again. Leta is, for all intents and purposes, the successor to Sea[Shield]. An excellent player who carries his team in Proleague, but that will most likely never achieve much in the individual leagues.

So he is just like Sea[Shield]....better then his A-level peers, but never quite good enough to make it to S-class. So even if he does ocassionally have a streak of wins, I doubt this will ever change.


I'd have to disagree with you, Sea and Leta are quite different players. One obvious difference is that Sea possesses a very high level TvP. Sea is an incomplete S-class because of his lack of starleague success, which is a more pertinent measure of dominance.

Leta is on the other hand a complete A-class. More than capable to hold his own in the mirror matchup, outstanding in one matchup and weak in the other. You cant call him a successor to Sea because they're both big name Terran aces for their respective teams. Light would be a far more apt comparison with Leta because of his weak TvP.

Funny though, how one would give Leta more of a chance to beat JD/Flash than both Sea and Light.
Victoria Concordia Crescit
dani_caliKorea
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
730 Posts
May 21 2010 19:36 GMT
#23
TvT = S Class
TvZ = A Class
TvP = Below

How does the rankings even work? Right now

S Class = Jaedong, Flash
A Class = Fantasy, Calm, Kal, Stork, Free, Leta, Sea, Effort, Zero, etc?
frogmelter
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States971 Posts
May 21 2010 19:41 GMT
#24
On May 22 2010 04:36 dani_caliKorea wrote:
TvT = S Class
TvZ = A Class
TvP = Below

How does the rankings even work? Right now

S Class = Jaedong, Flash
A Class = Fantasy, Calm, Kal, Stork, Free, Leta, Sea, Effort, Zero, etc?


Agreed with S class only being Jaedong and Flash. You can stretch it to include Stork, but that's iffy. Leta isn't S class for sure.
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prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
May 21 2010 19:52 GMT
#25
I voted yes because Leta is 2cute.
( ・´ー・`)
TheMunkey
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada470 Posts
May 21 2010 20:05 GMT
#26
As much as I love Leta, he ain't S class.
Never give up
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
May 21 2010 20:12 GMT
#27
On May 22 2010 04:41 frogmelter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 04:36 dani_caliKorea wrote:
TvT = S Class
TvZ = A Class
TvP = Below

How does the rankings even work? Right now

S Class = Jaedong, Flash
A Class = Fantasy, Calm, Kal, Stork, Free, Leta, Sea, Effort, Zero, etc?


You can stretch it to include Stork


Wait, what? Stork is not in good enough form to be considered anywhere near S class. Neither is Leta. Jaedong and Flash are the only 2 S-class progamers right now.
Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
May 21 2010 21:10 GMT
#28
On May 22 2010 04:26 FireBlast! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 02:16 Tom Phoenix wrote:
I always mention this in every thread concerning Leta, but I will say it again. Leta is, for all intents and purposes, the successor to Sea[Shield]. An excellent player who carries his team in Proleague, but that will most likely never achieve much in the individual leagues.

So he is just like Sea[Shield]....better then his A-level peers, but never quite good enough to make it to S-class. So even if he does ocassionally have a streak of wins, I doubt this will ever change.


I'd have to disagree with you, Sea and Leta are quite different players. One obvious difference is that Sea possesses a very high level TvP. Sea is an incomplete S-class because of his lack of starleague success, which is a more pertinent measure of dominance.

Leta is on the other hand a complete A-class. More than capable to hold his own in the mirror matchup, outstanding in one matchup and weak in the other. You cant call him a successor to Sea because they're both big name Terran aces for their respective teams. Light would be a far more apt comparison with Leta because of his weak TvP.

Funny though, how one would give Leta more of a chance to beat JD/Flash than both Sea and Light.


My comparison had less to do with their playstyles and more to do with how their relative success on the professional scene can be compared. Savior and Jaedong are also two very different players, but that didn't stop people from considering Jaedong a spiritual successor to Savior.
You and your "5 years of competitive RTS experience" can take a hike. - FrozenArbiter
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
May 21 2010 23:13 GMT
#29
Almost but not yet
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Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
May 22 2010 01:11 GMT
#30
debating whether this post deserves more of a response than "lol"
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
May 22 2010 01:41 GMT
#31
I know a lot of people say that the proleague has become more important than the individual leagues, but I don't buy into it. Maybe players practice more/as much when they're only at the qualifying stages of the individual leagues, but once you get up to ro8 ro4 I think players care more about every game they play in individual leagues. That's where the real test of your mettle is.

Leta isn't a very good player. Maybe you can lump him at the bottom of A class players, but he's no where near S class. S class players have league titles under their belts. They go on long runs without being defeated. They're alive in the league they participate in.

Plus he lost to Type-B. I mean cmon. Getting knocked out at the ro4 by Type B is just really pitiful (actually is that true? I don't remember Type B ever getting to a final. He got knocked out by Yarnc in ro4). To put that in perspective, Rock made ro8 a tonne. Not much to write home about.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 22 2010 09:49 GMT
#32
On May 22 2010 04:41 frogmelter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 04:36 dani_caliKorea wrote:
TvT = S Class
TvZ = A Class
TvP = Below

How does the rankings even work? Right now

S Class = Jaedong, Flash
A Class = Fantasy, Calm, Kal, Stork, Free, Leta, Sea, Effort, Zero, etc?


Agreed with S class only being Jaedong and Flash. You can stretch it to include Stork, but that's iffy. Leta isn't S class for sure.

How could you extend it to Stork when he isn't even playing better than other Protoss?
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nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
May 22 2010 09:59 GMT
#33
Bisu, Jaedong and Flash were 3 S-class back then.

Now since Bisu has fallen, there are only JD and Flash.

No one else is even near that level of dominance.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
May 22 2010 10:06 GMT
#34
why do you have to do this to me
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
May 22 2010 15:49 GMT
#35
didnt we just had a Leta fan article a week or two ago?
fanboyism these days...
Blueblister
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden321 Posts
June 24 2010 23:40 GMT
#36
On May 22 2010 01:02 icystorage wrote:
Many people in korea (i cant determine source but i read it somewhere here in tl) call him as the "S-Class test". Its because he almost fails everytime he faces S-Class players (he still haven't won one against Jaedong!) but consistently wins against non S-class players. But my question is, do you consider Leta as S-class?


I don't find this S-class discussion particularly interesting:
It depends on were the threshold lies, top 3 players - top 5 - top 10?

I do wonder about why he's being called the S-Class test though. The only top player he consistently loosing to is Jaedong as far as I can remember. Anyone care explaining this to me?
InTheFade
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1721 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-25 00:12:13
June 25 2010 00:03 GMT
#37
My arbitrary requirements for S-class:
[x] team ace
[x] great record/gameplay
[ ] relevant in individual leagues
[/] wins on the big stage (team and individual) [chokes in starleagues; wins aces; but huge fail vs Movie last playoffs)
[/] beats other S-class players [has hung with flash, but 0-8 vs JD. even DarkElf, SkyHigh, and Ruby beat Jaedong]

Definitely better than A-class; not what I'd call S-class
... Knowmsayin'?
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
June 25 2010 01:13 GMT
#38
I wouldn't call 2 port wraith (T)Leta S-class, but definitely high A-class player
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
June 25 2010 03:26 GMT
#39
leta can ONLY 2 port wraith or do 'cute' stuff- nothing else imo
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Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
June 25 2010 03:38 GMT
#40
Always thought S class was:
*Rapes everything under A
*Rarely loses to A class in a Bo1, once in a blue moon in a BoX series
*Favored against everyone in every game even his bad matchup (e.g. Bisu was favored against A class terrans when he used to be good, remember that?) and only has a chance of considered (slightly) not favored by the masses against another S class player (circular logic, w/e, you know what I mean)

Leta definitely doesn't qualify, he can't rape everything under A, and definitely loses to A class players. No one would considered him favored against Jaedong or Flash, and definitely not unanimous favored against Effort or Calm or Sea/Light in PL whereas JD or Flash would be favored except some fun excuse people will tell.
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