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Everybody knows who Shin Sang Moon is.  Leta is the Ace match bonjwa and the ace of the 6 (yes, SIX) man team of the hite Sparkyz.
Leta, like Sea, never really made it much far in individual leagues. As far as i remember, he reached Bacchus 2009 OSL Quarterfinals only to be toppled by fellow zerg teammate  type-b. He one of the best (if not the best) wraith micro. He owned most zergs with two, or even three, ports. He has superb TvT that can be at par with Flash (they're 3:3 head-to-head). Only his TvP is questionable of all, only a bit above 50%. But that doesn't mean he can't win TvP, its just his worst match-up. He lead the sparkyz last year in proleague but choked during the playoffs by going 0-3 against CJ.
Many people in korea (i cant determine source but i read it somewhere here in tl) call him as the "S-Class test". Its because he almost fails everytime he faces S-Class players (he still haven't won one against Jaedong!) but consistently wins against non S-class players. But my question is, do you consider Leta as S-class?
Poll: Should Leta be S-Class?No (88) 57% Meh, between A to S-Class (43) 28% Yes (23) 15% 154 total votes Your vote: Should Leta be S-Class? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Meh, between A to S-Class
Sorry if OP's bad, I rarely post op's >.<
 
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Why do you think his record is good? Compare to Jaedong/Flash. S-class players can't have crappy matchups and his vP is BARELY > 50%.
Though the principle of "S-Class" has been dead for a while now... Pretty much it's just Flash as God, Jaedong as legitimate challenger and everybody else = scrubs. Sure we see flashes of brilliance from the likes of a few players, but they don't have the roundedness or consistency not to get roflstomped on occasion.
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voted yes cause i really love leta, im sorry ^_^
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To be honest, if he needs to get farther in individual leagues in my opinion. He had his chances, but narrowly lost to Type-B and Luxury. He'd have to make a final or 2 semifinals in one season and/or improve his proleague performance even more. Then you have the people that will come in here and say he can't be S-class cuz of his gimmicky style. Honestly, he gets results so it doesnt matter in my opinion. Light and Sea have the same problem as him just not doing well in individual leagues no matter what.
So, imo in his prime he was in between A and S, but right now he is firmly A. If he gets the results in individual leagues he will move up imo. Then again this is all just my opinion.
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If Leta is S-class Flash is GOD MODE class. 
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Too arbitrary, but no, he's not good enough. No one calls him S class because, like you say, he's never accomplished anything in individual leagues.
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i really hate it when people call him gimmicky.
i remember he played against pure in the OSL in heartbreak ridge and used ghosts, lockdown and nukes in a really drawn out game, and people call him gimmicky.
hiya uses the same. ghosts and stuff and people call him entertaining. wtf?
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there's "A-Class" and "B-Class" also
i think Leta is "A-Class"
"S-Class" is like lee ssang taek bang (bisu not so much anymore though)
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dude i'm his biggest fan and he's not close
he's solidly A but only Jaedong and Flash are S right now
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this thread is like a year late
leta used to be godly, now he's just another really good player.
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S-Class is just an arbitrary classification for extremely good players. If you want to think Leta is S-Class, I don't see how anyone can argue with you, since there's no real definition for the term. All it really means is a really good player.
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On May 22 2010 01:38 lowbright wrote:
this thread is like a year late
leta used to be godly, now he's just another really good player.
leta has never been godly
he's just extremely consistent in how good he is so when he runs into a stream of mediocre players he wrecks every one of them and it makes him look good because he's better than them and then he's about 50/50 with anyone in his skill range except jaedong whom he can't beat
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On May 22 2010 01:11 Nick_54 wrote:
To be honest, if he needs to get farther in individual leagues in my opinion. He had his chances, but narrowly lost to Type-B and Luxury. He'd have to make a final or 2 semifinals in one season and/or improve his proleague performance even more. Then you have the people that will come in here and say he can't be S-class cuz of his gimmicky style. Honestly, he gets results so it doesnt matter in my opinion. Light and Sea have the same problem as him just not doing well in individual leagues no matter what.
So, imo in his prime he was in between A and S, but right now he is firmly A. If he gets the results in individual leagues he will move up imo. Then again this is all just my opinion.
This.
An S-class player needs to be able to prove his ability in all settings. A player like Leta who has never won a televised Bo5 cannot be considered S-class.
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lol, i think s-class test is the perfect designation for him
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On May 22 2010 01:43 Crunchums wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 01:38 lowbright wrote:
this thread is like a year late
leta used to be godly, now he's just another really good player. leta has never been godly he's just extremely consistent in how good he is so when he runs into a stream of mediocre players he wrecks every one of them and it makes him look good because he's better than them and then he's about 50/50 with anyone in his skill range except jaedong whom he can't beat
so true
but watching Leta beating someone better makes me so happy, hoping he improves so much that he can be one of the best terrans ever
he made top3 terran in kespa before and top 1 in PR (not so sure about this though).
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what do people consider s class, because if letas s class then there's 15 of them
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I always mention this in every thread concerning Leta, but I will say it again. Leta is, for all intents and purposes, the successor to Sea[Shield]. An excellent player who carries his team in Proleague, but that will most likely never achieve much in the individual leagues.
So he is just like Sea[Shield]....better then his A-level peers, but never quite good enough to make it to S-class. So even if he does ocassionally have a streak of wins, I doubt this will ever change.
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leta isn't s-class now but he was before for awhile.
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Between A and S- Class I'd say.
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eh. he's a "good" player
not up there in "legendary" which is S class
only Jaedong and Flash have the honor of being "S"
same with an "in form" Bisu
which is long gone 
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On May 22 2010 02:16 Tom Phoenix wrote:
I always mention this in every thread concerning Leta, but I will say it again. Leta is, for all intents and purposes, the successor to Sea[Shield]. An excellent player who carries his team in Proleague, but that will most likely never achieve much in the individual leagues.
So he is just like Sea[Shield]....better then his A-level peers, but never quite good enough to make it to S-class. So even if he does ocassionally have a streak of wins, I doubt this will ever change.
I'd have to disagree with you, Sea and Leta are quite different players. One obvious difference is that Sea possesses a very high level TvP. Sea is an incomplete S-class because of his lack of starleague success, which is a more pertinent measure of dominance.
Leta is on the other hand a complete A-class. More than capable to hold his own in the mirror matchup, outstanding in one matchup and weak in the other. You cant call him a successor to Sea because they're both big name Terran aces for their respective teams. Light would be a far more apt comparison with Leta because of his weak TvP.
Funny though, how one would give Leta more of a chance to beat JD/Flash than both Sea and Light.
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TvT = S Class
TvZ = A Class
TvP = Below
How does the rankings even work? Right now
S Class = Jaedong, Flash
A Class = Fantasy, Calm, Kal, Stork, Free, Leta, Sea, Effort, Zero, etc?
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On May 22 2010 04:36 dani_caliKorea wrote:
TvT = S Class
TvZ = A Class
TvP = Below
How does the rankings even work? Right now
S Class = Jaedong, Flash
A Class = Fantasy, Calm, Kal, Stork, Free, Leta, Sea, Effort, Zero, etc?
Agreed with S class only being Jaedong and Flash. You can stretch it to include Stork, but that's iffy. Leta isn't S class for sure.
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I voted yes because Leta is 2cute.
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As much as I love Leta, he ain't S class.
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On May 22 2010 04:41 frogmelter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 04:36 dani_caliKorea wrote:
TvT = S Class
TvZ = A Class
TvP = Below
How does the rankings even work? Right now
S Class = Jaedong, Flash
A Class = Fantasy, Calm, Kal, Stork, Free, Leta, Sea, Effort, Zero, etc? You can stretch it to include Stork
Wait, what? Stork is not in good enough form to be considered anywhere near S class. Neither is Leta. Jaedong and Flash are the only 2 S-class progamers right now.
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On May 22 2010 04:26 FireBlast! wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 02:16 Tom Phoenix wrote:
I always mention this in every thread concerning Leta, but I will say it again. Leta is, for all intents and purposes, the successor to Sea[Shield]. An excellent player who carries his team in Proleague, but that will most likely never achieve much in the individual leagues.
So he is just like Sea[Shield]....better then his A-level peers, but never quite good enough to make it to S-class. So even if he does ocassionally have a streak of wins, I doubt this will ever change. I'd have to disagree with you, Sea and Leta are quite different players. One obvious difference is that Sea possesses a very high level TvP. Sea is an incomplete S-class because of his lack of starleague success, which is a more pertinent measure of dominance. Leta is on the other hand a complete A-class. More than capable to hold his own in the mirror matchup, outstanding in one matchup and weak in the other. You cant call him a successor to Sea because they're both big name Terran aces for their respective teams. Light would be a far more apt comparison with Leta because of his weak TvP. Funny though, how one would give Leta more of a chance to beat JD/Flash than both Sea and Light.
My comparison had less to do with their playstyles and more to do with how their relative success on the professional scene can be compared. Savior and Jaedong are also two very different players, but that didn't stop people from considering Jaedong a spiritual successor to Savior.
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Almost but not yet 
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debating whether this post deserves more of a response than "lol"
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I know a lot of people say that the proleague has become more important than the individual leagues, but I don't buy into it. Maybe players practice more/as much when they're only at the qualifying stages of the individual leagues, but once you get up to ro8 ro4 I think players care more about every game they play in individual leagues. That's where the real test of your mettle is.
Leta isn't a very good player. Maybe you can lump him at the bottom of A class players, but he's no where near S class. S class players have league titles under their belts. They go on long runs without being defeated. They're alive in the league they participate in.
Plus he lost to Type-B. I mean cmon. Getting knocked out at the ro4 by Type B is just really pitiful (actually is that true? I don't remember Type B ever getting to a final. He got knocked out by Yarnc in ro4). To put that in perspective, Rock made ro8 a tonne. Not much to write home about.
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On May 22 2010 04:41 frogmelter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 04:36 dani_caliKorea wrote:
TvT = S Class
TvZ = A Class
TvP = Below
How does the rankings even work? Right now
S Class = Jaedong, Flash
A Class = Fantasy, Calm, Kal, Stork, Free, Leta, Sea, Effort, Zero, etc? Agreed with S class only being Jaedong and Flash. You can stretch it to include Stork, but that's iffy. Leta isn't S class for sure.
How could you extend it to Stork when he isn't even playing better than other Protoss?
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Bisu, Jaedong and Flash were 3 S-class back then.
Now since Bisu has fallen, there are only JD and Flash.
No one else is even near that level of dominance.
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why do you have to do this to me
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didnt we just had a Leta fan article a week or two ago?
fanboyism these days...
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On May 22 2010 01:02 icystorage wrote:
Many people in korea (i cant determine source but i read it somewhere here in tl) call him as the "S-Class test". Its because he almost fails everytime he faces S-Class players (he still haven't won one against Jaedong!) but consistently wins against non S-class players. But my question is, do you consider Leta as S-class?
I don't find this S-class discussion particularly interesting:
It depends on were the threshold lies, top 3 players - top 5 - top 10?
I do wonder about why he's being called the S-Class test though. The only top player he consistently loosing to is Jaedong as far as I can remember. Anyone care explaining this to me?
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My arbitrary requirements for S-class:
[x] team ace
[x] great record/gameplay
[ ] relevant in individual leagues
[/] wins on the big stage (team and individual) [chokes in starleagues; wins aces; but huge fail vs Movie last playoffs)
[/] beats other S-class players [has hung with flash, but 0-8 vs JD. even DarkElf, SkyHigh, and Ruby beat Jaedong]
Definitely better than A-class; not what I'd call S-class
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I wouldn't call 2 port wraith Leta S-class, but definitely high A-class player
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leta can ONLY 2 port wraith or do 'cute' stuff- nothing else imo
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Always thought S class was:
*Rapes everything under A
*Rarely loses to A class in a Bo1, once in a blue moon in a BoX series
*Favored against everyone in every game even his bad matchup (e.g. Bisu was favored against A class terrans when he used to be good, remember that?) and only has a chance of considered (slightly) not favored by the masses against another S class player (circular logic, w/e, you know what I mean)
Leta definitely doesn't qualify, he can't rape everything under A, and definitely loses to A class players. No one would considered him favored against Jaedong or Flash, and definitely not unanimous favored against Effort or Calm or Sea/Light in PL whereas JD or Flash would be favored except some fun excuse people will tell.
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he loses too much in individual leagues to be an S-Class player
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On June 25 2010 12:58 HeadhunteR wrote:
he loses to much in individual leagues to be an S-Class player
This is very true - he's never really come too close to leading his team to a championship (or even a very successful round, irrc [i could be wrong]) - and he's never gotten too close to winning an osl / msl. Also, his tvp his very unoutstanding. I would say he is a very good A level player, but not really much more than that until he can show better performance in individual leagues.
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