EPTEven if they did pull a knife on you, if you act tough and unconcerned they will still probably back down. You probably wouldn't want to rush in and do something, but you can certainly talk and keep them occupied. Plus, if they pulled a knife, the bus driver would get involved as well, and they get kicked right off the bus.
Disturbing thing that I saw on the bus. - Page 4
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L_Master
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Even if they did pull a knife on you, if you act tough and unconcerned they will still probably back down. You probably wouldn't want to rush in and do something, but you can certainly talk and keep them occupied. Plus, if they pulled a knife, the bus driver would get involved as well, and they get kicked right off the bus. | ||
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EsX_Raptor
United States2802 Posts
On April 30 2010 05:46 L_Master wrote: Lol, but you can help out the person that's being bullied. Its not so much about punishing the bullies as it is about putting an end to their pathetic behavior. But helping the person that's getting bullied won't put an end to the bullies from bullying that person again, especially then, when you’ve given them yet another incentive to bully the kid given the human being has the tendency to break what shouldn’t be broken. So next time they bull the kid they won’t do it only to put the kid to shame, but you as well (in their minds) for not being there to help him again. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On April 30 2010 05:45 BalloonFight wrote: Explain. This is an absolutely idiotic thing to say. Explain how removing oneself from the scene is better than staying. The only reason to do so is to remove culpability or because one is aware that it is wrong but too chickenshit to do anything about it. That's what having morals is. It's not doing something only when you're not feeling to pussy to do something. It's doing it regardless. Sure, most of the people in this thread wouldn't do anything. That doesn't mean its right, nor that it's wrong to say that doing something is better than not doing something. Inaction of the masses is not justification for it. You're using your own stupid argument about the majority in two completely different ways. People in this thread making tons of conjectures like how full the bus was, whether the kids had knives, etc, things that nobody but the OP is in the circumstances to address are in no position to come to any conclusions. Maybe if they had knives or guns, then yes, stay back. Maybe if you're a giant pussy and you are afraid that 3 15 year olds will mob you and you're scared, stay back. Nobody is going to hold it against you - you're scared, most people would be. It doesn't mean it was the "correct" thing to do, only the "safe" thing. Who says safety = correctness? What would I do? I would stop them. Yes, because I'm not a bitch, and I'm not going to watch some faggot bullies pick on a defenseless mentally retarded person. Would I back off if they pulled a knife on me, or a gun? Yea, probably, almost certainly. But I wouldn't do nothing because I was afraid they MIGHT have one. I would fucking find out, because this kind of bullying is one of the worst things humans can do. Again, being scared of doing the right thing does not make doing nothing somehow now the right thing. It just means you are scared. Is there something wrong with being scared? Not really. But let's not paint it as something else. Is it the most rational, logical, utilitarian, self-serving thing to do? Yes, doing nothing will almost always fit those requirements. Yet another laconic, smirking, superior post with no content meant to show how much more aware of the real world a poster is. Where the fuck did the knives even come from? Exercise your admittedly limited mental faculties and read the thread before making a reply. Thank you, same here. Lone_hydra has been so wrong in this thread its unbelievable. I can't believe you wouldn't say ANYTHING -_-. | ||
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SirIsaacNewton
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Bub
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L_Master
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when you’ve given them yet another incentive to bully the kid given the human being has the tendency to break what shouldn’t be broken. Huh? The kid is mentally retarded, any possible notions of being broken kinda go out the window in that situation. So next time they bull the kid they won’t do it only to put the kid to shame, but you as well (in their minds) for not being there to help him again. I'm sorry but I don't understand that line of thought at all, I don't think anybody bullies someone, has someone stop it, and then when they bully him again are thinking or feeling that they are putting the person that stopped them the first time to shame. And yes, obviously because you stop them once, doesn't mean you will be able to stop them again, but hey you prevented that kids misery for a while, doing what you could at the time; and that's worth something. | ||
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EmeraldSparks
United States1451 Posts
On April 30 2010 05:45 BalloonFight wrote: Yet another laconic, smirking, superior post with no content meant to show how much more aware of the real world a poster is. Where the fuck did the knives even come from? Exercise your admittedly limited mental faculties and read the thread before making a reply. if you had read the thread you would have found a poster talking about how fifteen year old asians with knives ain't shit but you didn't what a shame | ||
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Draconizard
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jtbem
Canada1404 Posts
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EsX_Raptor
United States2802 Posts
On April 30 2010 05:56 L_Master wrote: Huh? The kid is mentally retarded, any possible notions of being broken kinda go out the window in that situation. I'm sorry but I don't understand that line of thought at all, I don't think anybody bullies someone, has someone stop it, and then when they bully him again are thinking or feeling that they are putting the person that stopped them the first time to shame. And yes, obviously because you stop them once, doesn't mean you will be able to stop them again, but hey you prevented that kids misery for a while, doing what you could at the time; and that's worth something. With break what shouldn't be broken I was talking about moral rules, not the kid. With that second quote I was making the point that the bullies will now have more incentive to bully the kid again. The obvious solution to this would be to call in someone they are more afraid to "put to shame," namely the police. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On April 30 2010 05:54 SirIsaacNewton wrote: To be totally honest, I guess i was a bit scare to help. I went to high school and middle school in San Francisco and I know that there are a lot of teenage asian gangs around. It was a Friday afternoon, and I guess I just didn't want any trouble in case they were part of a gang. No one can really blame you. Everyone know how strong the bystander effect and diffusion of responsibility is, if not by name, and a little bit of fear makes it easy to let someone else do it. It's understandable, maybe even excusable. But I know you know what the right thing to do is. I hope next time this happens, you ask yourself: if you were that guy, would you rather have a hundred people each with perfectly acceptable excuses for doing nothing, or one guy who stood up and said something? | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
Also To those who don't think teens know how to use a knife, keep on living in your world. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
It is really not worth the trouble of becoming involved. Good Samaritanism is certainly not obligated after all. It's worth it even looking at it from a completely selfish perspective. Hearing that kind of stuff on a bus ride would make me incredibly bothered and angry and ruin the quality of the bus ride; fixing this problem would make my bus ride better. It doesn't even take that much "trouble" to tell a couple middle school kids off. Also To those who don't think teens know how to use a knife, keep on living in your world. Depends on were your from, I come from a small, fairly well to do town in Colorado and I assure you, most middle school kids don't have a clue how to use a knife, or have a clue how to fight. Yeah, if you come from somewhere where gangs/violence are much more prevalent then yeah plenty of kids are going to know how to fight and use a knife. I can see myself getting in trouble someone day because of where I come from, telling someone off from doing something that I find cruel only to have them pull a knife or a gun on me. @OP - If were talking about a strong potential for these to be gang associated kids that would have weapons and not be your typical insecure middle schooler, then yeah I would certainly have to think twice before getting involved. | ||
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mmp
United States2130 Posts
You gotta bring down the hammer of justice and don't let shit like this happen unpunished. | ||
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Draconizard
628 Posts
On April 30 2010 06:01 L_Master wrote: It's worth it even looking at it from a completely selfish perspective. Hearing that kind of stuff on a bus ride would make me incredibly bothered and angry and ruin the quality of the bus ride; fixing this problem would make my bus ride better. It doesn't even take that much "trouble" to tell a couple middle school kids off. @OP - If were talking about a strong potential for these to be gang associated kids that would have weapons and not be your typical insecure middle schooler, then yeah I would certainly have to think twice before getting involved. Perhaps on your utility curve this would be so; however, that is hardly universal. | ||
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EmeraldSparks
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Pika Chu
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On April 30 2010 05:34 {88}iNcontroL wrote: i realize you understand you were a bystander.. I know others have said it before... But fuck you dude. Completely defenseless person gets molested by a group of children and you do nothing? Learn from this blog/experience: DO SOMETHING. Oh cut it iNc. You're a big guy, you can intimidate others or you can fight them. You can do something. Everyone shouting at the OP just keep your pants on, it's good to do something only when you are able to do something. When you see a fight like that or some people bullying someone, you need to realize that if you're going to get involved it HAS A BIG CHANCE of resuming to a fight. So you have to be prepared to fight them. If you're simply not able to, don't do it because it simply won't help anyone, you'll get ass kicked and said guy will continue to get bullied. The idea is to only interfere and stop bullying/unfair fights when you can actually do something if it turns bad. You're just being naive if you think that just acting brave and telling people to stop will make them stop it unless you have the power to enforce that... with FORCE. Don't take more than you can handle just because it sounds or looks good. Bravery is good only when it's backed-up by something. If the guy has a knife you may get to be a dead hero and i don't know who's going to be helped by that. And i like how everyone here thinks he can kick the crap out of three 15 year old teenagers. Unless you're trained or really big, 1v3 with them isn't easy at all. | ||
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spinesheath
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
It reminds me a lot of this show. It's called "What would you do?". The general public is put to test, with these little moral dilemmas such as mine and the OPs. Will they act? What will they do? What would you do? | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
The idea is to only interfere and stop bullying/unfair fights when you can actually do something if it turns bad. You're just being naive if you think that just acting brave and telling people to stop will make them stop it unless you have the power to enforce that... with FORCE. Depends on the person. If the case of a typical middle school bully, it will absolutely stop something. They are very insecure and one of the common reasons they pick on other people is because it makes them feel secure or confident. Most bullies absolutely do not want confrontation or the possibility of an actual fight. When you walk in there and talk aggressively with strong body language they'll not want to risk getting into a fight with you. Yeah, there are three of them, but individually each one is thinking they could get the bad end of the bargain if they fight you. If they aren't utterly confident in their ability to kick your ass, and you walk in like your completely certain they will get the shit beaten out of the if they fuck with you, then they will typically back down. | ||
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