On April 30 2010 05:34 {88}iNcontroL wrote: i realize you understand you were a bystander..
I know others have said it before...
But fuck you dude.
Completely defenseless person gets molested by a group of children and you do nothing? Learn from this blog/experience: DO SOMETHING.
Oh cut it iNc. You're a big guy, you can intimidate others or you can fight them. You can do something.
Everyone shouting at the OP just keep your pants on, it's good to do something only when you are able to do something. When you see a fight like that or some people bullying someone, you need to realize that if you're going to get involved it HAS A BIG CHANCE of resuming to a fight. So you have to be prepared to fight them. If you're simply not able to, don't do it because it simply won't help anyone, you'll get ass kicked and said guy will continue to get bullied.
The idea is to only interfere and stop bullying/unfair fights when you can actually do something if it turns bad. You're just being naive if you think that just acting brave and telling people to stop will make them stop it unless you have the power to enforce that... with FORCE.
Don't take more than you can handle just because it sounds or looks good. Bravery is good only when it's backed-up by something. If the guy has a knife you may get to be a dead hero and i don't know who's going to be helped by that.
And i like how everyone here thinks he can kick the crap out of three 15 year old teenagers. Unless you're trained or really big, 1v3 with them isn't easy at all.
No one expects you to take on 3 guys and win. So what if inc can beat up the whole bus if he has to, and I can kick one guy in the shins before I go down. Maybe the kid has a knife, or maybe they all have guns. If there wasn't a risk, it wouldn't be brave. Just because there's a chance things might go wrong doesn't mean it's not the right thing to do. I'll say it again:
if you were that guy, would you rather have a hundred people each with perfectly acceptable excuses for doing nothing, or one guy who stood up and said something?
On April 30 2010 05:34 {88}iNcontroL wrote: i realize you understand you were a bystander..
I know others have said it before...
But fuck you dude.
Completely defenseless person gets molested by a group of children and you do nothing? Learn from this blog/experience: DO SOMETHING.
So you have to be prepared to fight them. If you're simply not able to, don't do it because it simply won't help anyone, you'll get ass kicked and said guy will continue to get bullied.
The idea is to only interfere and stop bullying/unfair fights when you can actually do something if it turns bad. You're just being naive if you think that just acting brave and telling people to stop will make them stop it unless you have the power to enforce that... with FORCE.
Your signature quotes Gandhi, a brave man who acted in ways you apparently do not understand. You are a hypocrite and a pussy.
On April 30 2010 06:13 Warrior Madness wrote: It reminds me a lot of this show. It's called "What would you do?". The general public is put to test, with these little moral dilemmas such as mine and the OPs. Will they act? What will they do? What would you do?
On April 30 2010 04:19 SirIsaacNewton wrote:It also made me wonder why didn't I do anything to stop the bullies, I was a bystander as well. Maybe because I thought that someone else would do it, or maybe because I am a hypocrite as well.
Answer to your question, yes you should have done something. I'm only 160 and 6feet tall and I've interfered multiple times when someone was getting picked on.
On April 30 2010 06:07 EmeraldSparks wrote: "Doesn't maximize my own utility" is not a good moral argument against anything.
People uphold their morals precisely because it gives them utility in doing so. Morality is little more than an arbitrary set of rules that individuals have that when followed give said individuals utility.
On April 30 2010 06:07 EmeraldSparks wrote: "Doesn't maximize my own utility" is not a good moral argument against anything.
People uphold their morals precisely because it gives them utility in doing so. Morality is little more than an arbitrary set of rules that individuals have that when followed give said individuals utility.
if you were that guy, would you rather have a hundred people each with perfectly acceptable excuses for doing nothing, or one guy who stood up and said something?
I'd rather have the guys keep making fun of me than having another guy get beat down because of trying to help me. If he CAN help me, that's obviously what he should do, but if he can't i don't see the point in how him getting beat up can help me.
I quote Gandhi, i admire Gandhi, i am not Gandhi, i could never be like Gandhi.
On April 30 2010 05:45 BalloonFight wrote: Yet another laconic, smirking, superior post with no content meant to show how much more aware of the real world a poster is. Where the fuck did the knives even come from? Exercise your admittedly limited mental faculties and read the thread before making a reply.
if you had read the thread you would have found a poster talking about how fifteen year old asians with knives ain't shit
but you didn't
what a shame
sup brah
I think you might have some difficulty coming to grips with some of the things being said in this thread. Honestly, there's really no point in replying to someone so profoundly proud of their own inability to read something in its entirety before they reply. But I'm doing it anyways, because I'm bored waiting for a class to begin.
You do realize that your post about maximizing one's own utility being a poor moral argument, which I assume we are using in the Lockean sense, is completely at odds with your previous posts about not trying to take on kids with knives (who were made up by some other poster, and whose stupidity you have chosen to perpetuate).
That's all, class is starting, I don't feel like explaining.
people flipping out about knives and shit, you dont have to escalate to that level at all to interfere. You dont have to ask aggressively to stop someone bullying. If they DO decide to escalate, then theres still plenty of time to back down. Or you can go around asking five or six people to back you up before you confront them, and make it understood if things go south you all split, and then have everyone nod/look at them when you say "we dont agree with what you are doing, please stop." Or since its a bus scenario, you can have the driver pull over and refuse to keep going until shenanigans stop.
The thing is, it doesn't matter what you do as long as you tried and can live with yourself without regrets. Forget about the fucking abstract foggy questions of where morality comes from and arguments of effect, These arguments are just people trying to justify their cowardice. it takes two seconds to ask yourself in the moment, "if i look back at my life, will i be proud of this moment/will i be ashamed of this moment/do i give a shit at all?"
and since you gave enough of a shit to reflect upon it and write a blog about it, you should have done something. Keep the lesson in mind, and in the future when you see something similar again, you can make sure you won't regret the choice.
On April 30 2010 05:34 {88}iNcontroL wrote: i realize you understand you were a bystander..
I know others have said it before...
But fuck you dude.
Completely defenseless person gets molested by a group of children and you do nothing? Learn from this blog/experience: DO SOMETHING.
Oh cut it iNc. You're a big guy, you can intimidate others or you can fight them. You can do something.
Everyone shouting at the OP just keep your pants on, it's good to do something only when you are able to do something. When you see a fight like that or some people bullying someone, you need to realize that if you're going to get involved it HAS A BIG CHANCE of resuming to a fight. So you have to be prepared to fight them. If you're simply not able to, don't do it because it simply won't help anyone, you'll get ass kicked and said guy will continue to get bullied.
The idea is to only interfere and stop bullying/unfair fights when you can actually do something if it turns bad. You're just being naive if you think that just acting brave and telling people to stop will make them stop it unless you have the power to enforce that... with FORCE.
Don't take more than you can handle just because it sounds or looks good. Bravery is good only when it's backed-up by something. If the guy has a knife you may get to be a dead hero and i don't know who's going to be helped by that.
And i like how everyone here thinks he can kick the crap out of three 15 year old teenagers. Unless you're trained or really big, 1v3 with them isn't easy at all.
No one expects you to take on 3 guys and win. So what if inc can beat up the whole bus if he has to, and I can kick one guy in the shins before I go down. Maybe the kid has a knife, or maybe they all have guns. If there wasn't a risk, it wouldn't be brave. Just because there's a chance things might go wrong doesn't mean it's not the right thing to do. I'll say it again:
if you were that guy, would you rather have a hundred people each with perfectly acceptable excuses for doing nothing, or one guy who stood up and said something?
i can guarantee i'm the skinniest palest kid you'll ever see
but OP's gotta buck up. i mean come on, there's some part of a man that doesn't think logically and when it's pissed it's fuckin pissed. I was always gettin into fights with guys twice my size in football cuz I didn't take shit even if i was being small.
my sister's autistic, and if anyone ever did anything close to this there would be no end to my fucking rage. I would go apeshit so fast.
EDIT: sry star, i meant to quote the guy U quoted...
On April 30 2010 04:19 SirIsaacNewton wrote: The incident on the bus made me wonder are most humans just sick that way?
YES!! and its about damm time you discovered it. Thats why you gotta make barricades n stuff (not literally speaking). There is just this little problem with the school, you are not allowed to make barricades there -.-
Oh come on Op. You should have helped out somehow. I'm a pretty small person but when people are picking on other people, I end up breaking it up somehow. Bullies now a day are just wimps anyways. They talk tough but never really act on it in my school. The ones who do act on, it fight like a sissy. They normally fight one guy with about 3 other people, ganging up on the kid. Its pathetic.
I would have reacted the same way as the OP. Not out of fear of getting beaten up, but because... they're kids. Dealing with kids is awkward as hell. If it was some College Bro harassing somebody on the bus, or any adult, something should have been said. But 14 year old kids... that's kind of a tricky situation. If I were to step in and the situation escalates, I don't know that I'd be able to defend myself in a way that wouldn't end up with me going to jail for beating up a little kid.
I know in some cultures, like Turkey, the public takes on responsibility for raising children. If some little kid is doing something dumb, you can smack them upside the head and tell them to knock it off. That makes sense. But I'd be way too paranoid of some spoiled brat's parents taking me to court to do anything like that in the US.
I got into "a fight" with some 12 year olds once in Philly. I didn't know wtf to do. I wasn't in any danger, they didn't have weapons or anything, and they had to jump to hit me in the face. It was just sort of funny and bizzare. I just walked away while they (v. weakly) punched me in the back. If i were to have retaliated somehow to teach them a lesson, who knows what trouble I would have gotten in.
On April 30 2010 04:37 krndandaman wrote: Yeah things like this happened on my old high school bus. Kids were ridiculous. Finally a kid got expelled from school for chucking a kid at the bus door and breaking all the glass on it.
These 2 kids were bullying a mentally retarded guy and making him feel cool then putting him down immediately. It'd go like "YOO MARIO WADDUP GANGSTA" bullied kid: "YO!!" "shut the fuck up you retard" "your mom shoulda just swallowed your dads junk"
after that I just couldn't take these little shitheads. I went to the back and told the kids to shut the fuck up like little freshman should or me and my junior friends would fuck them up.
they stopped bullying him while me and my friends were on the bus and i felt damn good about it
k honestly, beat the shit out of them wtf.??( unless they were like karate,TKD black blets) but yah there was a similar thing that happened i think it was in Toronto where a 79 year old man was getting mugged by 3 individuals(black) and they stole his wallet, his cane etc... and theres a button on the train where it sends a silent alarm to security of the train for them to know that something bad was going on. unfortunately not one of the people on the train did anything... =/
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