Its a 2 week old bump, its not the end of the world...in fact I wouldn't have been able to read this if it weren't for the bump and I'm kinda glad that I did get insight and detail into this part of the culture.
I'm not sure what to think of it though to be honest, I do think some people are blowing the scale of these establishments out of proportion, its like going out to a club or something in america, there are a lot of peopel that don't do it, there are people who do it on occasion for fun, and there are people who have become somewhat addicted to it.
What I can say though is, now every Saturday when I go to korean bbq in koreatown in virginia lol, the 'spa' at the end of the plaza is definitely not a 'spa' haha.
If going to these type of things doesn't suit your lifestyle than so be it, right? But some people like it, just like some people love to go clubbing 3 days a week, its not my cup of tea but if someone wants to do it let them.
The amount of bans and warnings on this thread is getting pretty funny though.
On April 27 2010 05:36 Foucault wrote: All I'm saying is that men definately seem to be the norm in Korea.
What the hell does this sentence mean?
What the hell can it possibly mean?
It's a very male oriented society it seems. Women are there to please
Maybe you meant "women pleasing men definitely seem to be the norm in Korea (World?)."
You have to understand that most of these girls do this because they choose to. Few are forced but it's hey, it's life. Sweden has really hot girls by the way. Thumbs up!
Yeah I know but "forced" becomes kind of vague considering that most of us are heavily molded into who we are by society and the gender roles we assume. So if it's a "normal" thing for women to work clubs, you're choices as a woman are heavily affected by this. Same for male stuff, whatever it is.
lol yes we do and these days I see alot of skirts instead of pants. yum
Do you still not understand what I am trying to say...girls in clubs/night clubs don't work there. They are just regular patrons who like getting booked and having fun with guys. What is so damn sexist about that?
I think you're not understanding him; he's staying true to Foucault. Consent doesn't mean something is or isn't exploitative. There's more subtle ways that people are coerced, such as a life long impression of body image or something like that. I think an example that makes sense is the average pro SC player. They're choosing to do it, because I'd imagine the allure is pretty difficult to resist if you're young and good at it, but they're still being exploited in a stressful, low paying and very restrictive job, and they might not even realize it.
I think it's somewhat pretentious to tell adults that they're being manipulated or assume that they're not aware of the situation, like he's doing. It'd be better to ask what kinds of alternatives are available to women/men who don't want to do that sort of thing, and if those are widely accepted.
Ok, lol. But this isn't the kind of subtle inference you make by reading a fucking forum post. To infer this level of detail about a culture you aren't part of is just retarded.
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You're a fucking dumbass, Chill.
It's funny how you think I'm retarded when in fact you don't even understand what I'm talking about because you lack the knowledge needed. You're an engineer, right? I don't know shit about engineering but your behavior would be like me telling you something ridiculous, 3:rd grade kind of stupid about a subject you know alot about.
Seriously, you need to drop your friggin' attitude. You talk down everyone on the forums with your one-liners thinking you're some internet god. Yeah, maybe you are on TL.net but get a clue man, you are being pretty negative pretty much all of the time the recent year or whatever.
I can type whatever I want in response to a forum post as long as I keep it civil and don't break any rules. So don't YOU come here and tell me what I can and can not do.
PS. Also guys, wtf my first language isn't english so I can't type my thoughts out exactly like an english-speaking person would do. Especially academic language so gimme a break :/ I've studied at university for almost 5 years now and I'm a sociology/psychology major.
User was banned for this post.
Second comment w/e: I don't wana get into too much debate here but it really bugs me that a lot of mods on this site ban people cuz they're butthurt or upset over a comment. I know that no one here has a "right" to say what they want, but IMO mods should act in a more dignified manner when dealing with rude people. Especially people who have obviously spent a lot of time on TL.
On April 27 2010 05:36 Foucault wrote: All I'm saying is that men definately seem to be the norm in Korea.
What the hell does this sentence mean?
What the hell can it possibly mean?
It's a very male oriented society it seems. Women are there to please
Maybe you meant "women pleasing men definitely seem to be the norm in Korea (World?)."
You have to understand that most of these girls do this because they choose to. Few are forced but it's hey, it's life. Sweden has really hot girls by the way. Thumbs up!
Yeah I know but "forced" becomes kind of vague considering that most of us are heavily molded into who we are by society and the gender roles we assume. So if it's a "normal" thing for women to work clubs, you're choices as a woman are heavily affected by this. Same for male stuff, whatever it is.
lol yes we do and these days I see alot of skirts instead of pants. yum
Do you still not understand what I am trying to say...girls in clubs/night clubs don't work there. They are just regular patrons who like getting booked and having fun with guys. What is so damn sexist about that?
I think you're not understanding him; he's staying true to Foucault. Consent doesn't mean something is or isn't exploitative. There's more subtle ways that people are coerced, such as a life long impression of body image or something like that. I think an example that makes sense is the average pro SC player. They're choosing to do it, because I'd imagine the allure is pretty difficult to resist if you're young and good at it, but they're still being exploited in a stressful, low paying and very restrictive job, and they might not even realize it.
I think it's somewhat pretentious to tell adults that they're being manipulated or assume that they're not aware of the situation, like he's doing. It'd be better to ask what kinds of alternatives are available to women/men who don't want to do that sort of thing, and if those are widely accepted.
Ok, lol. But this isn't the kind of subtle inference you make by reading a fucking forum post. To infer this level of detail about a culture you aren't part of is just retarded.
...
You're a fucking dumbass, Chill.
It's funny how you think I'm retarded when in fact you don't even understand what I'm talking about because you lack the knowledge needed. You're an engineer, right? I don't know shit about engineering but your behavior would be like me telling you something ridiculous, 3:rd grade kind of stupid about a subject you know alot about.
Seriously, you need to drop your friggin' attitude. You talk down everyone on the forums with your one-liners thinking you're some internet god. Yeah, maybe you are on TL.net but get a clue man, you are being pretty negative pretty much all of the time the recent year or whatever.
I can type whatever I want in response to a forum post as long as I keep it civil and don't break any rules. So don't YOU come here and tell me what I can and can not do.
PS. Also guys, wtf my first language isn't english so I can't type my thoughts out exactly like an english-speaking person would do. Especially academic language so gimme a break :/ I've studied at university for almost 5 years now and I'm a sociology/psychology major.
User was banned for this post.
Second comment w/e: I don't wana get into too much debate here but it really bugs me that a lot of mods on this site ban people cuz they're butthurt or upset over a comment. I know that no one here has a "right" to say what they want, but IMO mods should act in a more dignified manner when dealing with rude people. Especially people who have obviously spent a lot of time on TL.
Post stuff like this to website feedback please. No long term poster is banned for 1 post only, This was just the one post to seal the deal, but he had it coming long before. In fact, he was a previously banned user and that is his second or third account that has been permanently banned.
Well I'm glad this did get bumped because it was a great ***ing read. Too bad the thread go so off topic but it was nice to see Foucault get banned. 5/5
Not sure if anyone already mentioned it but if you're in Europe and don't want to miss on anything OP said (especially escorts and some of the most beautiful girls you'll ever see) you can come to Italy, it's pretty much the same except that the whorehouses are exclusive to the chinese mafia...
On June 20 2010 07:44 r33k wrote: Not sure if anyone already mentioned it but if you're in Europe and don't want to miss on anything OP said (especially escorts and some of the most beautiful girls you'll ever see) you can come to Italy, it's pretty much the same except that the whorehouses are exclusive to the chinese mafia...
Hmm, Chinese mafia in Italy. You guys are slipping.
On June 20 2010 07:44 r33k wrote: Not sure if anyone already mentioned it but if you're in Europe and don't want to miss on anything OP said (especially escorts and some of the most beautiful girls you'll ever see) you can come to Italy, it's pretty much the same except that the whorehouses are exclusive to the chinese mafia...
Hmm, Chinese mafia in Italy. You guys are slipping.
What I don't understand is why lilsusie seems to dislike the fact that the OP exists. Shining some light on what you consider to be immoral or wrong is a good thing. Ignoring the elephant in the room is defeat.
On June 23 2010 23:11 BottleAbuser wrote: What I don't understand is why lilsusie seems to dislike the fact that the OP exists. Shining some light on what you consider to be immoral or wrong is a good thing. Ignoring the elephant in the room is defeat.
On April 27 2010 05:36 Foucault wrote: All I'm saying is that men definately seem to be the norm in Korea.
What the hell does this sentence mean?
What the hell can it possibly mean?
It's a very male oriented society it seems. Women are there to please
Maybe you meant "women pleasing men definitely seem to be the norm in Korea (World?)."
You have to understand that most of these girls do this because they choose to. Few are forced but it's hey, it's life. Sweden has really hot girls by the way. Thumbs up!
Yeah I know but "forced" becomes kind of vague considering that most of us are heavily molded into who we are by society and the gender roles we assume. So if it's a "normal" thing for women to work clubs, you're choices as a woman are heavily affected by this. Same for male stuff, whatever it is.
lol yes we do and these days I see alot of skirts instead of pants. yum
Do you still not understand what I am trying to say...girls in clubs/night clubs don't work there. They are just regular patrons who like getting booked and having fun with guys. What is so damn sexist about that?
I think you're not understanding him; he's staying true to Foucault. Consent doesn't mean something is or isn't exploitative. There's more subtle ways that people are coerced, such as a life long impression of body image or something like that. I think an example that makes sense is the average pro SC player. They're choosing to do it, because I'd imagine the allure is pretty difficult to resist if you're young and good at it, but they're still being exploited in a stressful, low paying and very restrictive job, and they might not even realize it.
I think it's somewhat pretentious to tell adults that they're being manipulated or assume that they're not aware of the situation, like he's doing. It'd be better to ask what kinds of alternatives are available to women/men who don't want to do that sort of thing, and if those are widely accepted.
Ok, lol. But this isn't the kind of subtle inference you make by reading a fucking forum post. To infer this level of detail about a culture you aren't part of is just retarded.
...
You're a fucking dumbass, Chill.
It's funny how you think I'm retarded when in fact you don't even understand what I'm talking about because you lack the knowledge needed. You're an engineer, right? I don't know shit about engineering but your behavior would be like me telling you something ridiculous, 3:rd grade kind of stupid about a subject you know alot about.
Seriously, you need to drop your friggin' attitude. You talk down everyone on the forums with your one-liners thinking you're some internet god. Yeah, maybe you are on TL.net but get a clue man, you are being pretty negative pretty much all of the time the recent year or whatever.
I can type whatever I want in response to a forum post as long as I keep it civil and don't break any rules. So don't YOU come here and tell me what I can and can not do.
PS. Also guys, wtf my first language isn't english so I can't type my thoughts out exactly like an english-speaking person would do. Especially academic language so gimme a break :/ I've studied at university for almost 5 years now and I'm a sociology/psychology major.
User was banned for this post.
Second comment w/e: I don't wana get into too much debate here but it really bugs me that a lot of mods on this site ban people cuz they're butthurt or upset over a comment.
Can you cite examples? I can think of almost no examples of this happening where the ban isn't reversed.
On April 26 2010 15:52 Ack1027 wrote: So....you love your girlfriend but you fuck ee cha girls cuz it would be unprofessional to refuse?
In Korean culture, refusing your host is a VERY big nono. It's borderline insulting. And people who can afford to go to those places are not people you want to be insulting. Especially in a corporate/business scenario.
I am Korean, but thanks for the lesson. I'm sure he's thinking about his girlfriend and how respectful and polite he's being while he fucks whores.
I love how you come in here with no knowledge about the real world and try to act like you are 'above' someone for whatever reason. You all have some convoluted ideal of the way a relationship should be and if it's not exactly like that the person causing the difference is evil or something. You say you're Korean but you must have grown up in USA or something to be talking like this.
In the real world, relationships aren't perfect. People cheat all the time on eachother or 'almost' cheat. Me having to do it sometimes due to my livelihood does not make me evil. It's a double-edged sword for me. I physically enjoy it at the time but I also wish deep down emotionally that I didn't have to do it for the sake of my job. Now you might argue that if I were a real man that I'd refuse to do it and find other work, but in the real world this isn't realistic at all. I value my job and position and if I have to stick my dick into a beautiful woman from time to time on one of my client's expense then I'll do it and not feel too bad about it.
If you really think about it: As long as I am very cautious with using protection and getting STD tested, which I am, and as long as my girlfriend never finds out no harm can ever come to anything. Infact only good can come from it. I am making good cash for us and I am also made a happy man for an hour from time to time.
The difference between cheaters in the normal world is that they are people like married men who fall in love with a secret lover and it retracts from their relationships. Or boyfriends who start treating their girlfriends like shit because they like a new girl better but they also wanna be getting laid by both so he stays with with both. Thats not what I'm doing at all.
I'm merely taking one for the team.
really? like lilsusie said, if sh'e s "korean korean" she would sadly not mind at all i mean really, i think you're missing the option where you can tell her and if shes not okay with it, break up. you could have told her that this was something you had to do when you started, and if she isn't going to be okay with it, you could end things right now, because clearly job> her. so yeah i refuse to believe this is acceptable in any culture, and i think its easier for me to just assume you have a serious character flaw that lead you to never being able to bring this up to her. I mean really, a guy who fucks girls on a regular basis shouldn't have a girlfriend IMO, better for both him and her, sounds pretty logical to me. Basically, im going to need a lot more convincing then one post if you want to even bother with me :D
On June 23 2010 23:11 BottleAbuser wrote: What I don't understand is why lilsusie seems to dislike the fact that the OP exists. Shining some light on what you consider to be immoral or wrong is a good thing. Ignoring the elephant in the room is defeat.
lilsusie dislikes everything. Including you.
wait do you dislike bottle abusers or the poster? or i guess both ahh random mind fuck of randomness. eh.
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