i just played a 1 hr long pvz on gaia just now on iccup and i thought it was pretty cool. zerg turtled up really hard and i was at big disadvantage and i didn't know what to do.. so i tried arbiter and it worked great!

heres rep..

pardon the noobness^^ but this makes me think why dont we see more arbiter use in pro pvz and in general?

jpak

United States5045 Posts

March 28 2010 22:59 GMT

arbiters cost 350gas each. You'd rather spend that gas on high templars

hellokitty[hk]

United States1309 Posts

March 28 2010 23:17 GMT

pardon the noobness^^ but this makes me think why dont we see more arbiter use in pro pvz and in general?

Because that's like 5 storms worth of gas, and you still have to wait an hour before the arbiter finishes building, and even longer before it has energy?

YoonHo

Canada1043 Posts

March 28 2010 23:20 GMT

Ya, it's just not worth it. It's still usable but it really doesn't do the damage in order for you to compensate for the gas and the time that it consumes. Like in PvT, Terran army is very slow and they got bunch of shit in their bases so its harder for them to move all the way back and try to defend their base, which is completely the opposite for zergs. I would still use it in certain situations, maybe vs a turtle zerg? Still, I guess you can just get speed shuttles and harrass.

FyRe_DragOn

Canada2056 Posts

March 28 2010 23:22 GMT

it works as a surprise tactic against a turtling zerg, otherwise it isnt worth the cost like yoonho said

blabber

United States4448 Posts

March 28 2010 23:34 GMT

I think the main problem with getting arbiters is that they're too easily sniped by scourge or hydras. Otherwise they'd be pretty damn good. Get an arbiter with a bunch of corsairs and it's like having a huge dt/corsair army

da_head

Canada3350 Posts

March 28 2010 23:42 GMT

throwing in an arbiter or two in your late late game army isn't a bad idea. however, don't cut hts earlier on because of it.

hyst.eric.al

United States2332 Posts

March 28 2010 23:45 GMT

late, late game PvZ is mass archons; cutting an archon for an arbiter would definitely be worth it. Otherwise, don't go 2base arbs or some crazy shit like that, you need the HT's/storms bad.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

March 29 2010 00:24 GMT

Not worth the gas, extremely slow build time, need to wait a long time for spells, very easily sniped by scourges (they move slooooooow).

CoOl]1st[

United States243 Posts

March 29 2010 00:27 GMT

#10

i mean once your at the time where its like 3+ gas base each it seems like 350 gas isnt much when your income is coming so quickly.. but yea i suppose that makes sense.
it just seems like you could make an intresting pvz build that was like the 2 stargate speedlot nony build into recall there main supported with corsairs ?

Entertaining

Canada793 Posts

March 29 2010 01:10 GMT

#11

scourge eat arbitors so easily, i love it when toss get ahead and waste gas on arbs. allows me to make a comeback

Triple7

United States656 Posts

March 29 2010 01:21 GMT

#12

Arbiters were recently used in that game between GosI[Flying] and EffOrt and the general response was "That's why you don't use arbiters PvZ.

3FFA

United States3931 Posts

March 29 2010 01:26 GMT

#13

On March 29 2010 10:21 Triple7 wrote:
Arbiters were recently used in that game between GosI[Flying] and EffOrt and the general response was "That's why you don't use arbiters PvZ.

link?

GreEny K

Germany7312 Posts

March 29 2010 01:29 GMT

#14

On March 29 2010 08:17 hellokitty[hk] wrote:

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Because that's like 5 storms worth of gas, and you still have to wait an hour before the arbiter finishes building, and even longer before it has energy?

And guess which unit gets attacked if you can't see any others?

SilverSkyLark

Philippines8437 Posts

March 29 2010 01:34 GMT

#15

well you really don't want to face Zerg with tidbits of your army

d(O.o)a

Canada5066 Posts

March 29 2010 01:47 GMT

#16

On March 29 2010 10:26 3FFA wrote:

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link?

Why not search TLPD instead of being lazy and making a 1 word post. it's really easy simply type in effort and go to ZvP games then go to gosi[flying]

Chameleon

United States604 Posts

March 29 2010 03:00 GMT

#17

I used arbs once in an hour long pvz on collosseum. I had 2, and would send one in with a ton of sair to recall an expo or the z main, do some damage, and then recall it all back to defend if i got countered or the army being sent to take it out was too big. It was effective but probably had more to do w/ the fact that i killed about 100 overlords in that game

CoOl]1st[

United States243 Posts

March 29 2010 21:18 GMT

#18

On March 29 2010 10:29 GreEny K wrote:

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And guess which unit gets attacked if you can't see any others?

1.) late game zerg armies dont attack air
2.) even if the zerg cant see ur army for like 5ish seconds that can tilt a battle SO SO much.. i mean if u can kill most of a zergs ultras late game you can generally just run him over

jimminy_kriket

Canada5520 Posts

March 29 2010 21:20 GMT

#19

every unit has its time and place. you just gotta know when the proper time to use them is

Boblion

France8043 Posts

March 29 2010 21:35 GMT

#20

Arbiters PvZ are like hydras ZvZ: awesome on paper but you will almost never be able to make the transition ( except if you are playing vs an opponent worse than you ).