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Why WoW players "get" the SC2 Beta - Page 2

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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11549 Posts
February 24 2010 02:15 GMT
#21
5 stars

it's getting annoying seeing these whine posts every fucking time a beta key is mentioned~
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
HiOT
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Sweden1000 Posts
February 24 2010 02:17 GMT
#22
On February 24 2010 09:31 shindigs wrote:
There are 12 million WoW players and counting. All you need to do to opt-in for the SC II is to have 1 Blizzard game.

Obviously a lot of those WoW players will opt-in for the SC II beta, and even though not all 12 million will opt-in, they still outnumber the number of StarCraft gamers.

So stop complaining OMG WOW GAYMERS SO LAME GETTIN THE SC II KEY BLIZZARD SUX BIAS it's just basic probability and statistics. There are more of them, so there is a higher probablity that a "WoW player" get's a key through random selection.

It's as simple as that. And all of you complaining should all be kissing Blizzard's ass instead of making TL look like a bunch of spoiled freaks who think they "deserve" a beta key.

If anything, the majority of you are D or D+ players who think they know what makes an amazing game but would probably just complain about a unit being OP once you get stomped by it. If anything, the people who really do "deserve" the beta are the top players if all you nerds are theorycrafting all the way up your ass. And don't reply "I'm C- or B+ nerd I can stomp you" yeah thats great but if you're complaining grow up.

Lz didn't get a key, that is the closest thing to "unfair" you will get in this situation, but that's life.

Anyway, I just wanted to vent since I rage easily at spoiled gamer nerds who think they're obligated to everything. I don't have a key yet and I admit I do mope and cry and beg for a key but to blaming Blizzard, WoW gamers, and even fellow TLers who got the beta key is just outright childish, and it definitely won't make the situation better. It just sucks we all have to wait, and that is all.

Also I raged at people getting 3 keys at once but shit sucks live with it.

/endrant

PS I still love you TL but sometimes I am disappoint.


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EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
February 24 2010 02:18 GMT
#23
If WoW players love SC2 and all go out and buy it, that's twelve million copies sold.

Game set match SC1 players lose.
But why?
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
February 24 2010 02:20 GMT
#24
1/5
more wow players=more hackers/fmp players in the future
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
February 24 2010 02:23 GMT
#25
I don't mind people complaining, but this post does say the base reason they get them. They are like 5 hatch zerglings. :O
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
February 24 2010 02:26 GMT
#26
On February 24 2010 09:31 shindigs wrote:
It's as simple as that. And all of you complaining should all be kissing Blizzard's ass instead of making TL look like a bunch of spoiled freaks who think they "deserve" a beta key.

Nony is Bonjwa
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-24 02:36:08
February 24 2010 02:32 GMT
#27
We all know that and sometimes people take the rants way too seriously.

People are frustrated because they don't get to play their favorite game. And it's understandable that they tend to blame it on something else (which is the WoW players in this case). Hell everyone does it just for the sake of releasing your anger. I don't see anything wrong with that as long as they don't cross the line.

P/S: I told my friend (a wow nerd) "Fuck you and your kind" once lol

P/S #2: And it's definitely Blizzard's plan to market SC2 to other herd of players. If you think about it, most if not all of the current SC players will DEFINITELY play SC2, with or without trying out the beta.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Atreides-
Profile Joined June 2009
United States103 Posts
February 24 2010 02:32 GMT
#28
Blizzard wants the opinion of all types of players, not just hardcore people from SC or another RTS. A ton of new people will flock over to SC2, and most of them will suck...but I doubt people on TL were pushing 250+ APM their first time playing.

Watching people try out the beta as their first real RTS can help them make the game easier to pick up. I know some people were complaining about the novice maps being bad, for example. I guess it can be frustrating to read how stupid some of the beta key holders are, but idiots are everywhere. No use in complaining, just keep praying for that beta key!
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-24 02:36:41
February 24 2010 02:32 GMT
#29
On February 24 2010 10:34 zer0das wrote:
I'm pretty sure as D+ player, I have a way better understanding of Starcraft than some random WoW person. My mechanics are quite poor because I've never been that fast (I cap out at around 130 APM, which was a huge improvement for me over what it used to be), but I could probably hit C- (at least the low end of it) on mostly knowledge if I seriously tried. Unfortunately the game quickly becomes not very fun for me if I try that hard.

I think you kind of underestimate the skill of some of the lower ranked players.

Also, I haven't whined. :d

This is exactly it. Nobody cares about you having more potential at SCII than some WoW nerds. Its not about who "deserved" to be able to play in the beta. It was about Blizzard promoting their game, and "WoW nerds" "deserve" to play the beta more than you because they have, as a matter of fact, paid much more money towards Blizzard.


and that excuse for not being able to hit C- is quite lame, because frankly, the fact that you haven't committed to hitting C-, yet "care" enough about the beta contradicts your loyalty to blizzard.
Nony is Bonjwa
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
February 24 2010 02:48 GMT
#30
You better get used to it.

Just think what this game is going to be like when it is released for real. It's going to be rough for the next couple years when this happens.
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esla_sol
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States756 Posts
February 24 2010 02:49 GMT
#31
i was a bit disappointed about not recieving beta after being a blizz friend in tft beta and winning a season in wc3. but the demand is just so high they cant please everyone.

ill enjoy the game when i get. its not like being in beta translates into much except a chance to play the game a few months before it comes out.
eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-24 02:51:05
February 24 2010 02:50 GMT
#32


a D+ iccup player and a WoW player is a huge difference.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
February 24 2010 02:53 GMT
#33
On February 24 2010 11:49 esla_sol wrote:
i was a bit disappointed about not recieving beta after being a blizz friend in tft beta and winning a season in wc3. but the demand is just so high they cant please everyone.

ill enjoy the game when i get. its not like being in beta translates into much except a chance to play the game a few months before it comes out.

Now don't you jinx it please? =(
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-24 03:04:35
February 24 2010 02:59 GMT
#34
On February 24 2010 11:12 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2010 11:05 eNoq wrote:
So much hate on WoW players..
You should realize they pay monthly fee, some for over 4+ years now, i think they deserve a spot.

most of them wont even use the key

*hopefully*, but after being redirected by a friend who saw this and lol'd I frankly got scared.

After reading something like the first 6 paged trying to force myself to look away I was horrified at the thought that as soon as SC2 would hit retail and actual rank divisions would still have to form I just can't bring myself to walk among the piles of steaming shit that WoW-populated SC2 is going to be...

Also I would suggest that everyone would skimp through that thread and giggle at some of the quotes there, bear in mind that people posting there with golden icons are famous WoW players who happen to think for some unesplicable reason that they are good at games...

P.S. I'm not saying that I deserve a beta key more than those guys atm, not at all, I'm just saying that i'm honestly scared by the thought that not having followed anything from the SC2 forums except DAy9 daily if I will lose a few of the 10 ranking games because of lag or spending too much time experimenting/looking at the tech trees and then I'd end up in silver/copper league playing with those people I would much rather give my key away.

For me it all comes down to a matter of ingame "communities". I'm not complaining about WC3 players, nor about C&C nor about players coming from any other RTS, it's not even going to be a matter of what kind of game type the players who hit SC2 are going to be from, I just don't want to have to play with those retards.
Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6225 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-24 03:04:46
February 24 2010 03:03 GMT
#35
I agree with the post for the most part. My main argument would be that the majority of wow players would not be able to test this game at the level that it really needs to be tested. 90% of wow players probably couldn't even break 100 apm if they were trying their hardest. How does blizzard think they are getting any real testing done by inviting people who probably have no experience with RTS games?

Honestly, though, with the new matchmaking system, the top-end players are consistently playing against each other, which is what they really need for testing purposes, so it's not really a big deal.

Anyway, I probably won't get a key, and it sucks, but it's really just a waiting game. You're not going to miss out on going pro by not being able to play 6 months before everybody else. IMO most average TLers should be glad that more high-end gamers didn't get a key, so that they'll have a shot to catch up when it's released.

good vibes only
shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
February 24 2010 03:32 GMT
#36
Blizzard released a statement that so far it's mostly just server testing and seeing how much their network can handle. I think balance makes more sense once they stabilize the bnet servers and have a ton of people playing.
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deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
February 24 2010 03:58 GMT
#37
Don't forget, for the WoW players to get a beta key, they have to actually opt-in (not including blizzcon) If they actually had no interest, they wouldn't opt int. If they did opt in, they'll probably use it.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-24 04:09:13
February 24 2010 04:05 GMT
#38
On February 24 2010 11:59 r33k wrote:
P.S. I'm not saying that I deserve a beta key more than those guys atm, not at all, I'm just saying that i'm honestly scared by the thought that not having followed anything from the SC2 forums except DAy9 daily if I will lose a few of the 10 ranking games because of lag or spending too much time experimenting/looking at the tech trees and then I'd end up in silver/copper league playing with those people I would much rather give my key away.

Wait, what? You're worried that because you're bad, you'll be forced to play against bad people.

The league system will work out. Just because you have to play a few noobstomps against bad players to advance to the next league is no reason to be dishing out hate. Players that legitimately deserve to move up, though, have and will be moved up. It's not perfect, but it's better than the current alternative of starting from the bottom. And if the games aren't noobstomps, that clearly means you aren't good enough to advance, which means the ranking games placed you correctly.

Of all the reasons to hate on SC2 and the beta, the league system is one of the most idiotic things to to it on.

On February 24 2010 12:58 deconduo wrote:
Don't forget, for the WoW players to get a beta key, they have to actually opt-in (not including blizzcon) If they actually had no interest, they wouldn't opt int. If they did opt in, they'll probably use it.

And even the Blizzcon users have to actually log in for them to affect the beta numbers. As has been stated before, Blizzard expands player numbers based on their server load: less Blizzcon keys getting used = more opt-ins in the next wave.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
February 24 2010 04:10 GMT
#39
On February 24 2010 11:18 EmeraldSparks wrote:
If WoW players love SC2 and all go out and buy it, that's twelve million copies sold.

Game set match SC1 players lose.


bingo! remember folks, a bigger playerbase is ALWAYS better!
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Khaymus
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States750 Posts
February 24 2010 04:56 GMT
#40
Don't be ashamed of TL dissapointing you. MANY of the people here I cannot stand...but overall most people are alright. Its a Starcraft community so you are going to get alot of eliteist jerks and such...

I do disagree with the D+ level thing. I was D+ in SC1 but am tearing it up in SC2. I think everyone deserves a fair chance...and if you were willing to shell out to goto Blizzcon then you were rewarded with a key. I think that is a totally fair way to get keys to loyal fans.
Let them say we lived in the time of Boxer, Emperor of Terran. Let them say we lived in the time of Nal_rA, Dreamer of Protoss. Let them say we lived in the time of Savior, Master of the Zerg.
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