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I am Canadian and I live in Ontario, I have my G2 license, and this is my first speeding ticket. I'm a pretty fast driver, but I think I drive defensively if that makes any sense. I always follow far behind other vehicles, I slow my car far before I reach a stop sign or red light, and I never drive with a vehicle immediately to the left or right of me so that if I had to swerve for whatever reason I wouldn't hit the other car.
I was driving in a 50 km/h zone, doing 70 km/h. I usually keep my eyes peeled for police officers, as it's pretty much known in this city where they catch people. However it's the mid of winter, I couldn't too clearly out of the windshield and it was 7:30 a.m so I didn't see an officer parked off of main street on a side road. He clocks me speeding at 20 km/h over the limit and pulls me over.
I've never been pulled over before, so I didn't know what to expect. He was a nice guy, when I told him I was on my way to Brock he said, "Oh, I went there, when's your class?" and I replied, "8:00". I quickly realized that I was only fifteen minutes away from the school and it was only 7:25, so it was obvious my speeding wasn't because I was late, he would know that this is just how I drive. So like an idiot I say, "But I have to be there for 7:50", as if he's going to be like, Oh wow, you better get going! and let me off with a warning.
Any way, considering I needed to get going, I had to wait about 20 minutes in my car as he did whatever an officer does in his car when he writes a ticket. Mean while I have my window rolled down and I can see people just staring at me from their cars as they go by. I started thinking, 'Look at these people, just wanting to get a glimpse at the kind of person who gets pulled over', then I realized I do the same fucking thing all the time, as if I will see the drivers face and be like, oh, that's why he got pulled over, as if his/her face reveals something.
The officer comes back and explained the ticket to me, he said he reduced the fine to $95.00 from $295.00. I don't know if that's true, or maybe I misheard him, but after he said that I had some hope that maybe this was simply a ticket and that I wouldn't gain any points on my license. So I asked and it turns out I do indeed get three points on my license. For those who don't know, in Ontario, if you accumulate two points you get a warning letter in the mail, and if you get six points, they take away your license for a month. Suffice to say if I get pulled over again, I won't be able to drive, and considering I live thirty minutes from school, that would be a big, big problem.
So I was late to my class that I was going to (ironic considering I was speeding on the way there even though I didn't need to, and that's what caused me to arrive late) and decided I would look up some information on speeding tickets and how they affect your insurance rates. AFAIK, 'my' car is under my dad's name, and I labelled as an occasional driver. I read some information online from seemingly credible sources (which is how I found out about the demerit points), and some sources say you probably won't see an increase on your insurance, while others say you definitely will.
The question I pose to those in Canada is as follows: Have you ever received a speeding ticket? How did your first ticket affect your insurance rate? Will this hurt my dad's insurance as well? At this point I am more anxious about telling my dad I got a ticket, because he busts my balls all the time about my speeding and I fucked up.
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TL;DR: I received a speeding ticket on my dad's car, and I am listed as the occasional driver. This my first ticket, and I received three demerit points along with it. Can I expect my insurance rate to increase? Any idea how much? What about my dad's insurance?
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none yet, I always drive 20km\h over the limits when the limits of 60km\h or more (expect for the morning when the trafic it self go at 130km\h)
I Arleady come REALLY close to. I was speeding with another car at 100km\h in a 50km\h route and a cops cross road us. we both hit the brake, cops turn his light on and do a U turn. We are both at a red light so we are pretty much doom. Luckly, I was in the left road when the other dudes was in the right road so the cops only took him and I ran away =)
God I was scare ( I was like 17 years old by that time)
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It's true he reduced it because there's no way a speeding ticket is $95.00. Take it to court, you can get your demerit points reduced and the cost reduced a bit as long as you tell them some bullshit story.
Your insurance on the car will go up because you are listed as a driver on it but not sure how much. Your dads insurance however will stay the same.
EDIT: Insurance really depends on the company, sometimes they don't even both to check how many demerit points you have and your points don't go up at all. But, I do know if you take it to court (where you just talk to this one person) you can get the $95 reduced to probably $50 and the 3 demerit points reduced to probably just 1 demerit point or 2.
Also there are these speeding classes that you can take that subtract demerit points from your "account" assuming you pass the class. Not sure where you sign up for those though.
Hope this help, I've been caught speeding way too many times by cops and by cameras (probably $1000+ so far) and I have 5 demerit points, 1 more and I'm screwed, but I plan to take the speeding class soon to take off a few points. 
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On February 10 2010 22:58 kOre wrote:
It's true he reduced it because there's no way a speeding ticket is $95.00. Take it to court, you can get your demerit points reduced and the cost reduced a bit as long as you tell them some bullshit story.
Your insurance on the car will go up because you are listed as a driver on it but not sure how much. Your dads insurance however will stay the same.
I suppose our Brock University connection saved me a little bit on money, that's some good news, pays (or should I say saves?) to be polite to officers I suppose. IDK what kind of story I could give, IIRC the exact words the officer said to me when explaining the ticket was:
"You have three options, you can choose to plead guilty to the offense and the payment of $95.00; you can plead innocent, or you can plead guilty with an excuse, but I caught you with the radar just back there so..."
I think he was trying to say, 'What story could you possibly have?' I am aware that the officer doesn't submit and cannot testify to what I told him when he pulled me over. I more or less admitted to him that I was speeding, but like I said, that wouldn't be brought up in court apparently. I am interested in reducing my demerit points however, and I am happy to hear about my dad's insurance rates. I wasn't really concerned with what happened to my insurance all that much, but more for his. He runs a business and owns multiple trucks, so an increase on his insurance will wind up costing him a lot of money.
EDIT: Thanks Kore, I will have to tell my parents about the ticket any way, so I will take what they say into consideration when deciding what to do. I am most concerned about the demerit points and the insurance rates, the fine doesn't concern me all that much. Thanks again.
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I edited my post with some extra information.
To be honest you could say something like, "I had a lab/tutorial at 8:00 AM and needed to get there early to ask the TA some questions I didn't understand" or some crap like that.
So pretty much what you'd be doing is pleading guilty with an excuse. You don't actually show up in court (like that room with an attorney and all that crap with a giant crowd), but it's more like a small room where you talk to this 1 person telling them what happened and they would reduce it or tell you to pay the full amount.
Overall, it doesn't hurt to take it to the place because there's a large chance you'll get your points and speeding ticket reduced.
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On February 10 2010 23:14 kOre wrote:
To be honest you could say something like, "I had a lab/tutorial at 8:00 AM and needed to get there early to ask the TA some questions I didn't understand" or some crap like that.
So pretty much what you'd be doing is pleading guilty with an excuse. You don't actually show up in court (like that room with an attorney and all that crap with a giant crowd), but it's more like a small room where you talk to this 1 person telling them what happened and they would reduce it or tell you to pay the full amount.
Overall, it doesn't hurt to take it to the place because there's a large chance you'll get your points and speeding ticket reduced.
I suppose it can't hurt, it's not like they can raise my fine or demerit points for giving a bad excuse. It's better than nothing, I will most likely give it a shot. I come off looking pretty good in like situations so my chances are probably higher than average.
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Yeah I'd say you have a high chance of getting both the ticket and points reduced. Good luck with that.
"I had a lab/tutorial at 8:00 AM and needed to get there early to ask the TA some questions I didn't understand" - That excuse has worked for me before
I've also used "I have to go back home as fast as possible to get my Student ID or they won't let me take my midterm/final exam" (only during exam week of course).
Or even "I'm late for meeting up with my parents because they are moving tomorrow and tonight is our big family dinner", this one worked like a charm because I was actually all dressed up but it was because I was hanging out with 2 of my friends (who were also dressed up and in the backseat) and the cop actually just told me to slow down and that I wouldn't want to get hurt by speeding if it's the last time my parents would see me for a while. He didn't even give me a speeding ticket lol
It's a good thing if you know how to lie on the spot and come up with excuses that work for pretty much any situation lol
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On February 10 2010 23:23 kOre wrote:Yeah I'd say you have a high chance of getting both the ticket and points reduced. Good luck with that. "I had a lab/tutorial at 8:00 AM and needed to get there early to ask the TA some questions I didn't understand" - That excuse has worked for me before I've also used "I have to go back home as fast as possible to get my Student ID or they won't let me take my midterm/final exam" (only during exam week of course). Or even "I'm late for meeting up with my parents because they are moving tomorrow and tonight is our big family dinner", this one worked like a charm because I was actually all dressed up but it was because I was hanging out with 2 of my friends (who were also dressed up and in the backseat) and the cop actually just told me to slow down and that I wouldn't want to get hurt by speeding if it's the last time my parents would see me for a while. He didn't even give me a speeding ticket lol It's a good thing if you know how to lie on the spot and come up with excuses that work for pretty much any situation lol
Yeah, I have never been pulled over and I wasn't really thinking, so I pretty much admitted to speeding right away. I thought if I was just really nice I would get off with a warning, and the guy was just casually talking to me about school, so I thought I was doing a good job, but still received the ticket.
I am relieved to here you just talk to one guy. The way the official Ontario law website describes the process, it makes it seem like it's a court room.
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the ticket probably wont be reflected on your insurance until renewal, in the us, going 70kph in a 50hph is hardly speeding, its only ~10mph over lol..I wouldnt speed in your area, sounds strict
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On February 10 2010 23:34 2on2 wrote:
the ticket probably wont be reflected on your insurance until renewal, in the us, going 70kph in a 50hph is hardly speeding, its only ~10mph over lol..I wouldnt speed in your area, sounds strict
You can go about 10 - 15 km/h over here it seems and you'll be fine, but 20 km/h or higher and you're going to be pulled over. I won't be speeding (no more 20 over, only 10) from now on, because I can't afford to have my license suspended for thirty days, that would be a nightmare.
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Korea (South)11583 Posts
I got pulled over for going 31 mph (50 kph) over the speed limit. and had to pay a $450 speeding ticket, a $100 driver improvement class, and i have to retake the test to get your license within the next 10 days (and pass of course) or my license will be suspended.
lol, don't worry. shit could be worse!
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On February 10 2010 22:40 Salv wrote:
However it's the mid of winter, I couldn't too clearly out of the windshield
Perhaps there's a lesson in this. If your visibility is so poor you can't see policemen then it might be time to decrease your stopping distance by not speeding.
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I really doubt making up a better excuse will do anything to reduce the ticket now. If your ticket got reduced to $96 that's pretty lucky, tickets are fucking expensive. Is there anyway you can take a defensive driving class to get the ticket removed from your record? That's how it works in the US.
Also, if you plan to continue speeding virtually every time you drive, I'd suggest going out and buying some kind of radar detector, they're kind of expensive, but so is a ticket.
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On February 10 2010 23:48 CaucasianAsian wrote:
I got pulled over for going 31 mph (50 kph) over the speed limit. and had to pay a $450 speeding ticket, a $100 driver improvement class, and i have to retake the test to get your license within the next 10 days (and pass of course) or my license will be suspended.
lol, don't worry. shit could be worse!
Haha, I am twenty, so I am independent now and don't rely on my folks too much, but if I admitted to them I was caught driving 50 km/h over the limit, I wouldn't be driving any longer. Not because I would have a suspended license, but my folks would probably gang-beat me haha. My grandfather is an old school Italian, he would probably bust out the big spoon to lay a beating on me too.
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Thirty minutes from school equals big problem ?
You sure you don't live in Texas ? That's what I walk to school every day (when I got class, not very often I admit, but still).
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On February 10 2010 23:49 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2010 22:40 Salv wrote:
However it's the mid of winter, I couldn't too clearly out of the windshield Perhaps there's a lesson in this. If your visibility is so poor you can't see policemen then it might be time to decrease your stopping distance by not speeding.
Wait, what? It's not like I couldn't see the road, or see other cars, I simply couldn't see from far away if a specific car was a police officer or not. If you mean I should slow down my speed because I cannot spot police officers like I normally do, then perhaps you are right, but a better idea would just be to drive only 10 km/h over and just leave my house a bit earlier.
On February 10 2010 23:50 sixghost wrote:
I really doubt making up a better excuse will do anything to reduce the ticket now. If your ticket got reduced to $96 that's pretty lucky, tickets are fucking expensive. Is there anyway you can take a defensive driving class to get the ticket removed from your record? That's how it works in the US.
Also, if you plan to continue speeding virtually every time you drive, I'd suggest going out and buying some kind of radar detector, they're kind of expensive, but so is a ticket.
I don't want to give the impression that I am some sort of speed demon haha, I drive defensively and I had taken private driving lessons to ensure you have the best possible chance to avoid an accident. I don't drive fast when there are others near me driving slowly, I simply follow the speed of other drivers, on this occasion however I just happened to be the only driver heading North and it was on a straight stretch of road so my speed was high.
The actual ticket doesn't actually say that you can come in and give an excuse, it actually states that you are pleading guilty, but you can come and suggest a penalty other than the demerit points & fine. The law doesn't allow an officer to raise the fine after the fact, so I don't run the risk of paying even more if my argument doesn't pan out, I would simply be at the same point as I would if I just pleaded guilty.
My plan is to go in and suggest a fine with no demerit points added, or simply a warning. I'm not going to speed any more than 10 km/h from now on, so all I have to do is come off as sincere and let the justice of the peace know that I am serious.
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Honestly, you got off easy. You should be happy with that and man up and accept the punishment that was dealt out. Your dad's insurance isn't going up and to be honest if you know you have 3 points on your license maybe it will make you a better driver because you'll be less inclined to speed.
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On February 11 2010 00:24 Pioneer wrote:
Honestly, you got off easy. You should be happy with that and man up and accept the punishment that was dealt out. Your dad's insurance isn't going up and to be honest if you know you have 3 points on your license maybe it will make you a better driver because you'll be less inclined to speed.
Did you read my original post? I only asked what the consequences would be. It's not until Kore said that you can get your demerit points / fine reduced even further. To be completely clear the ticket says:
"Option 1: Plea of Guilty - Voluntary Payment of Total Payable: I plead guilty and payment of the total payable is enclosed.
Option 2: (The one I plan to choose) Plea of Guilty - Submissions as to Penalty: I want to appear before a justice to enter a plea of guilty and make submissions as to penalty (amount of fine or time to pay)."
The last option is where you plead innocent and prevent evidence etc. However the ticket clearly says you are free to submit your own suggestions for punishment. If I know that I won't be driving at this speed again, I will suggest a warning or demerit point reduction. Lastly, I agree with you that being pulled over will make me a safer driver, I won't be driving 20 km/h over again, now to convince the justice of the peace of that.
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On February 10 2010 23:50 sixghost wrote:Also, if you plan to continue speeding virtually every time you drive, I'd suggest going out and buying some kind of radar detector, they're kind of expensive, but so is a ticket.
Never heard of a radar detector and I can't fathom how that would work technologically. Could you give me some more information out of curiosity?
On February 10 2010 23:49 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2010 22:40 Salv wrote:
However it's the mid of winter, I couldn't too clearly out of the windshield Perhaps there's a lesson in this. If your visibility is so poor you can't see policemen then it might be time to decrease your stopping distance by not speeding.
Yeah. You should probably realize that:
1. You should clean your windshield before you start driving. Also, change your air flow settings so it doesn't fog up.
2. You can't possibly leave enough space for the necessary stopping distance if you're going 70-80 km/h in a 50km/h zone. Either you're catching up to other drivers because they're going slower than you or other drivers are going to cut into the large space you need to leave. The stopping distance can be at least two times are far because of ice.
I'm not saying it's impossible to speed in icy conditions but you will most likely hit ice one time and get into a bad accident. This is assuming the road conditions in Ontario are similar to Manitoba.
Edit: Well, the second part is kind of useless after your last post saying you won't go 20km/h over again. You should realize that it's for a sensible reason though and not just because of tickets.
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Speeding tickets are pretty terrible in New York. I got pulled over for speeding but he reduced it to basically a parking ticket. The ticket fine was $20 but in New York there is a $80 surcharge just for getting pulled over!
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20 Km/h is like what...13 mph?
in the states ur ticket would've been a bit over $100 anyways but I don't know about Canada...
just take class if they offer it...u won't get point if you take class
and police officers are fucking pigs!!! i hate them
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On February 11 2010 00:41 Undisputed- wrote:
Speeding tickets are pretty terrible in New York. I got pulled over for speeding but he reduced it to basically a parking ticket. The ticket fine was $20 but in New York there is a $80 surcharge just for getting pulled over!
Welcome to New York! ^_^
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On February 10 2010 23:49 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2010 22:40 Salv wrote:
However it's the mid of winter, I couldn't too clearly out of the windshield Perhaps there's a lesson in this. If your visibility is so poor you can't see policemen then it might be time to decrease your stopping distance by not speeding.
Yeah. You should probably realize that:
1. You should clean your windshield before you start driving. Also, change your air flow settings so it doesn't fog up.
2. You can't possibly leave enough space for the necessary stopping distance if you're going 70-80 km/h in a 50km/h zone. Either you're catching up to other drivers because they're going slower than you or other drivers are going to cut into the large space you need to leave. The stopping distance can be at least two times are far because of ice.
I'm not saying it's impossible to speed in icy conditions but you will most likely hit ice one time and get into a bad accident. This is assuming the road conditions in Ontario are similar to Manitoba.
Edit: Well, the second part is kind of useless after your last post saying you won't go 20km/h over again. You should realize that it's for a sensible reason though and not just because of tickets.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I agree with you. After being pulled over I won't make the mistake of speeding like that again, but it sucks to have to accumulate demerit points and risk my insurance premiums increasing.
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On February 11 2010 00:44 QuickStriker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 00:41 Undisputed- wrote:
Speeding tickets are pretty terrible in New York. I got pulled over for speeding but he reduced it to basically a parking ticket. The ticket fine was $20 but in New York there is a $80 surcharge just for getting pulled over! Welcome to New York! ^_^
Only place I have lived  Probably one of the worst states in the US. I'm out of here after I finish my degree!
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Well... I've had one... a really bad one. I was driving from Windsor to Kingston on the 401 and was stupidly driving like 140 (Speed limit is 100) and obviously got caught. The ticket was for 400 dollars. I fought it, as should you, and got it down to 120km/h and 2 demerit points and like 150 bucks.. Then I fucked off to university for a while and didn't have a car and its been 5 years so it won't affect my insurance when I get one. I don't know why you got 3 points, since mine was obviously much worse... but all you need to do is contest the ticket, stating that you have no prior convictions of the nature and for sure the ticket will be reduced.
Edit: Yeah I realize how stupid it was... and I don't speed like that anymore, other than the 10-15 over thats fairly normal.
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On February 11 2010 00:51 Undisputed- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 00:44 QuickStriker wrote:On February 11 2010 00:41 Undisputed- wrote:
Speeding tickets are pretty terrible in New York. I got pulled over for speeding but he reduced it to basically a parking ticket. The ticket fine was $20 but in New York there is a $80 surcharge just for getting pulled over! Welcome to New York! ^_^ Only place I have lived Probably one of the worst states in the US. I'm out of here after I finish my degree!
Aww, don't be like that, I know you love NY so much that you want your lifelong journey to happen in NY, get married in NY, and your grave in NY! ^_^
But yes, I do agree, it's pretty bad with those fines and tickets.... but at least I haven't got pulled off yet for speeding in any of my 3 years of driving in NYC! :D
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Easy solution, don't speed. The limits are there for a reason.
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On February 11 2010 00:38 Durak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2010 23:50 sixghost wrote:Also, if you plan to continue speeding virtually every time you drive, I'd suggest going out and buying some kind of radar detector, they're kind of expensive, but so is a ticket. Never heard of a radar detector and I can't fathom how that would work technologically. Could you give me some more information out of curiosity?
There are devices you mount on your windshield that beep when they detect the types of radar waves that cops reflect off of cars (with radar guns) to measure the speed of vehicles. They are illegal in some states but some people have them anyway? Radar is not the only way that cops measure speed anymore though so it's certainly no guarantee.
On February 11 2010 01:07 deconduo wrote:
Easy solution, don't speed. The limits are there for a reason.
As a careful driver who has gone almost 8 years without a ticket (entire driving career) this is not very good advice. If you refuse to go over the speed limit at all you will make yourself an obstacle for other drivers. You just have to be smart and not go too fast.
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On February 11 2010 01:20 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 00:38 Durak wrote:On February 10 2010 23:50 sixghost wrote:Also, if you plan to continue speeding virtually every time you drive, I'd suggest going out and buying some kind of radar detector, they're kind of expensive, but so is a ticket. Never heard of a radar detector and I can't fathom how that would work technologically. Could you give me some more information out of curiosity? There are devices you mount on your windshield that beep when they detect the types of radar waves that cops reflect off of cars (with radar guns) to measure the speed of vehicles. They are illegal in some states but some people have them anyway? Radar is not the only way that cops measure speed anymore though so it's certainly no guarantee. Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 01:07 deconduo wrote:
Easy solution, don't speed. The limits are there for a reason. As a careful driver who has gone almost 8 years without a ticket (entire driving career) this is not very good advice. If you refuse to go over the speed limit at all you will make yourself an obstacle for other drivers. You just have to be smart and not go too fast.
I can't believe I am saying this, but I agree with Micronesia haha. It's dangerous to drive at a speed with is a significant deviation from the regular flow of traffic. You will have people passing you on one lane roads, people riding your ass, things like that. I think the safest and most logical thing is to mildly speed, which is like 10 km/h over the limit. You're fast enough that it's not a problem, and you shouldn't really get pulled over for that.
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They make speed limits knowing that people won't obey them... just don't use that as an excuse to go 30 over :p
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I was going 20 km/h over, but yes I agree and I understand what you're saying. The worst part is that the street I was going down is a well known area for Police to set up in. It's quite busy, and the street is long and straight, which is prime area for speeders to get up there on the speedometer.
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Must drive a little smarter. Anytime I hit 20 over I just release the gas and coast back donw to 62. I never above 60 when passing side streets cause a lot of times they are there watching the big roads. Going 70 for a bit is fine when there are other cars around / you are going to make a light. I hate people that speed up to a red light then have to wait. so dumb.
On February 11 2010 00:57 meeple wrote:
Well... I've had one... a really bad one. I was driving from Windsor to Kingston on the 401 and was stupidly driving like 140 (Speed limit is 100) and obviously got caught. The ticket was for 400 dollars. I fought it, as should you, and got it down to 120km/h and 2 demerit points and like 150 bucks.. Then I fucked off to university for a while and didn't have a car and its been 5 years so it won't affect my insurance when I get one. I don't know why you got 3 points, since mine was obviously much worse... but all you need to do is contest the ticket, stating that you have no prior convictions of the nature and for sure the ticket will be reduced.
Edit: Yeah I realize how stupid it was... and I don't speed like that anymore, other than the 10-15 over thats fairly normal.
What brought you down to Windsor?
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On February 11 2010 03:20 MiniRoman wrote:
Must drive a little smarter. Anytime I hit 20 over I just realize the gas and coast back donw to 62. I never above 60 when passing side streets cause a lot of times they are there watching the big rodes. Going 70 for a bit is fine when there are other cars around / you are going to make a light. I hate people that speed up to a red light then have to wait. so dumb.
Most likely a good idea, yes. The speed limit is 50 all within the city, so I will just coast at 60 from now on. I'm not sure if I will even go much faster than that when in traffic either. Where I am from at least, most people drive 10 over and that's it, I drive (drove lol) faster than most people, but only because I still felt I was in control of the car.
Going to tell my parents later, hopefully no one breaks out the big spoon.
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Oh damn what ugly typing I used. i'm screwed gotta write a 5 page paper and im mindnumb
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On February 10 2010 22:40 Salv wrote:
I was driving in a 50 km/h zone, doing 70 km/h. I usually keep my eyes peeled for police officers, as it's pretty much known in this city where they catch people. However it's the mid of winter, I couldn't too clearly out of the windshield and it was 7:30 a.m so I didn't see an officer parked off of main street on a side road. He clocks me speeding at 20 km/h over the limit and pulls me over.
I'm no expert but by speeding 20k over the limit practically doubles your breaking distance, in your self-confessed bad weather possibly even further. Add to that your reactions might be delayed because your so eagerly searching for marked police vehicles instead of paying attention to the road.
Suck up the fine and be thankful someone didn't get hurt or killed from your stupidity. I know this is harsh however when you are driving, you have not just your own life, and your passengers lives in your hands but also everyone else using the roads. Think twice next time.
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On February 11 2010 06:50 ibutoss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2010 22:40 Salv wrote:
I was driving in a 50 km/h zone, doing 70 km/h. I usually keep my eyes peeled for police officers, as it's pretty much known in this city where they catch people. However it's the mid of winter, I couldn't too clearly out of the windshield and it was 7:30 a.m so I didn't see an officer parked off of main street on a side road. He clocks me speeding at 20 km/h over the limit and pulls me over.
I'm no expert but by speeding 20k over the limit practically doubles your breaking distance, in your self-confessed bad weather possibly even further. Add to that your reactions might be delayed because your so eagerly searching for marked police vehicles instead of paying attention to the road. Suck up the fine and be thankful someone didn't get hurt or killed from your stupidity. I know this is harsh however when you are driving, you have not just your own life, and your passengers lives in your hands but also everyone else using the roads. Think twice next time.
What a douche bag, he obviously knew that he could avoid an accident if it even came to that. Oh and it DOES NOT double your breaking distance even in that weather.
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On February 11 2010 03:39 Salv wrote:
Most likely a good idea, yes. The speed limit is 50 all within the city, so I will just coast at 60 from now on. I'm not sure if I will even go much faster than that when in traffic either. Where I am from at least, most people drive 10 over and that's it, I drive (drove lol) faster than most people, but only because I still felt I was in control of the car.
Going to tell my parents later, hopefully no one breaks out the big spoon.
This shows a complete lack of understanding and lack of maturity about this whole situation. Going 60km is still too fast when the signed speed is 50, especially in bad conditions. You THINK you are in control of the car, until you lose control of the car. Oh but you are such a great driver? even professional drivers lose control of their cars because there is one thing you can't control while driving and that's the road conditions.
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On February 11 2010 01:20 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 01:07 deconduo wrote:
Easy solution, don't speed. The limits are there for a reason. As a careful driver who has gone almost 8 years without a ticket (entire driving career) this is not very good advice. If you refuse to go over the speed limit at all you will make yourself an obstacle for other drivers. You just have to be smart and not go too fast.
It's true, fucking retards driving on the road driving 40 km/h on a 70 km/h road all because of a little snow ... my rule of thumb is 10 km/h under when it's really bad, speed limit when it's snowing but not too bad, and 10 km/h over when the weather is okay and no traffic.
On February 11 2010 02:05 micronesia wrote:
They make speed limits knowing that people won't obey them... just don't use that as an excuse to go 30 over :p
lol
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On February 11 2010 06:55 kOre wrote:
What a douche bag, he obviously knew that he could avoid an accident if it even came to that. Oh and it DOES NOT double your breaking distance even in that weather.
He obviously knew he could avoid an accident. No you assume he knew. Which is not surprising considering the average age and gender on these forums are also the most likely to have a fatal accident according to statistics.
Some statistics on breaking distance
@ 50km per hour - 42metres
@ 70km per hour - 71metres
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On February 11 2010 03:20 MiniRoman wrote:Must drive a little smarter. Anytime I hit 20 over I just release the gas and coast back donw to 62. I never above 60 when passing side streets cause a lot of times they are there watching the big roads. Going 70 for a bit is fine when there are other cars around / you are going to make a light. I hate people that speed up to a red light then have to wait. so dumb. Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 00:57 meeple wrote:
Well... I've had one... a really bad one. I was driving from Windsor to Kingston on the 401 and was stupidly driving like 140 (Speed limit is 100) and obviously got caught. The ticket was for 400 dollars. I fought it, as should you, and got it down to 120km/h and 2 demerit points and like 150 bucks.. Then I fucked off to university for a while and didn't have a car and its been 5 years so it won't affect my insurance when I get one. I don't know why you got 3 points, since mine was obviously much worse... but all you need to do is contest the ticket, stating that you have no prior convictions of the nature and for sure the ticket will be reduced.
Edit: Yeah I realize how stupid it was... and I don't speed like that anymore, other than the 10-15 over thats fairly normal. What brought you down to Windsor?
Family
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On February 11 2010 06:55 ibutoss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 03:39 Salv wrote:
Most likely a good idea, yes. The speed limit is 50 all within the city, so I will just coast at 60 from now on. I'm not sure if I will even go much faster than that when in traffic either. Where I am from at least, most people drive 10 over and that's it, I drive (drove lol) faster than most people, but only because I still felt I was in control of the car.
Going to tell my parents later, hopefully no one breaks out the big spoon. This shows a complete lack of understanding and lack of maturity about this whole situation. Going 60km is still too fast when the signed speed is 50, especially in bad conditions. You THINK you are in control of the car, until you lose control of the car. Oh but you are such a great driver? even professional drivers lose control of their cars because there is one thing you can't control while driving and that's the road conditions.
Holy shit mom, I didn't know you posted on TL? Seriously, were you in the car with me? Did you see the roads? The only thing I said about the weather conditions were that it is in the middle of winter, and that my front windshield wasn't clear enough to clearly identify a police vehicle from like fifty yards away. It wasn't even snowing, and the roads were plowed completely, the only reason my windshield wasn't perfectly clear was just because it was a bit dirty, but it still perfectly clear enough to drive with, or else I would have cleaned it.
Are you fucking kidding me about going 60 in a 50? You honestly think that's unreasonable? No one goes the speed limit, because it's slow as hell, and because it's dangerous to go against the flow traffic, either by going too slow or too fast. You're fucking insane.
P.S No one was on the road, so you can chill out with all your breaking distance statistics.
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On February 11 2010 07:20 Salv wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 06:55 ibutoss wrote:On February 11 2010 03:39 Salv wrote:
Most likely a good idea, yes. The speed limit is 50 all within the city, so I will just coast at 60 from now on. I'm not sure if I will even go much faster than that when in traffic either. Where I am from at least, most people drive 10 over and that's it, I drive (drove lol) faster than most people, but only because I still felt I was in control of the car.
Going to tell my parents later, hopefully no one breaks out the big spoon. This shows a complete lack of understanding and lack of maturity about this whole situation. Going 60km is still too fast when the signed speed is 50, especially in bad conditions. You THINK you are in control of the car, until you lose control of the car. Oh but you are such a great driver? even professional drivers lose control of their cars because there is one thing you can't control while driving and that's the road conditions. Holy shit mom, I didn't know you posted on TL? Seriously, were you in the car with me? Did you see the roads? The only thing I said about the weather conditions were that it is in the middle of winter, and that my front windshield wasn't clear enough to clearly identify a police vehicle from like fifty yards away. It wasn't even snowing, and the roads were plowed completely, the only reason my windshield wasn't perfectly clear was just because it was a bit dirty, but it still perfectly clear enough to drive with, or else I would have cleaned it. Are you fucking kidding me about going 60 in a 50? You honestly think that's unreasonable? No one goes the speed limit, because it's slow as hell, and because it's dangerous to go against the flow traffic, either by going too slow or too fast. You're fucking insane. P.S No one was on the road, so you can chill out with all your breaking distance statistics.
My thoughts exactly. Obviously at 7:30am theres not going to be many cars on the road. Beside those stats are wrong it depends on the brand of car, weight, and all that other crap.
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On February 11 2010 07:20 Salv wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 06:55 ibutoss wrote:On February 11 2010 03:39 Salv wrote:
Most likely a good idea, yes. The speed limit is 50 all within the city, so I will just coast at 60 from now on. I'm not sure if I will even go much faster than that when in traffic either. Where I am from at least, most people drive 10 over and that's it, I drive (drove lol) faster than most people, but only because I still felt I was in control of the car.
Going to tell my parents later, hopefully no one breaks out the big spoon. This shows a complete lack of understanding and lack of maturity about this whole situation. Going 60km is still too fast when the signed speed is 50, especially in bad conditions. You THINK you are in control of the car, until you lose control of the car. Oh but you are such a great driver? even professional drivers lose control of their cars because there is one thing you can't control while driving and that's the road conditions. Holy shit mom, I didn't know you posted on TL? Seriously, were you in the car with me? Did you see the roads? The only thing I said about the weather conditions were that it is in the middle of winter, and that my front windshield wasn't clear enough to clearly identify a police vehicle from like fifty yards away. It wasn't even snowing, and the roads were plowed completely, the only reason my windshield wasn't perfectly clear was just because it was a bit dirty, but it still perfectly clear enough to drive with, or else I would have cleaned it. Are you fucking kidding me about going 60 in a 50? You honestly think that's unreasonable? No one goes the speed limit, because it's slow as hell, and because it's dangerous to go against the flow traffic, either by going too slow or too fast. You're fucking insane. P.S No one was on the road, so you can chill out with all your breaking distance statistics.
The good thing about knowing I'm right means I don't have to be in the car with you. Yeah I do think driving at the speed limit is reasonable, as do more experienced drivers than yourself who advised government bodies to establish those speed limits.
I don't live in Canada but I seriously doubt no one obeys the speed limit since you know, more people from Canada would be posting on tl.net about their fines. Your welcome to act immaturely since this is the blog section so I'll just leave you a quote from our roads and traffic authority (who I'm sure have better driving skills/knowledge AND statistics to back them up, unlike yourself).
"The risk of causing death or injury in an urban 60 km/h zone increases rapidly with relatively small increases in speed. The accident risk at 65 km/h is about twice the risk at 60 km/h. At 70 km/h, the accident risk is more than four times the risk than at 60 km/h"
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On February 11 2010 07:25 kOre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 07:20 Salv wrote:On February 11 2010 06:55 ibutoss wrote:On February 11 2010 03:39 Salv wrote:
Most likely a good idea, yes. The speed limit is 50 all within the city, so I will just coast at 60 from now on. I'm not sure if I will even go much faster than that when in traffic either. Where I am from at least, most people drive 10 over and that's it, I drive (drove lol) faster than most people, but only because I still felt I was in control of the car.
Going to tell my parents later, hopefully no one breaks out the big spoon. This shows a complete lack of understanding and lack of maturity about this whole situation. Going 60km is still too fast when the signed speed is 50, especially in bad conditions. You THINK you are in control of the car, until you lose control of the car. Oh but you are such a great driver? even professional drivers lose control of their cars because there is one thing you can't control while driving and that's the road conditions. Holy shit mom, I didn't know you posted on TL? Seriously, were you in the car with me? Did you see the roads? The only thing I said about the weather conditions were that it is in the middle of winter, and that my front windshield wasn't clear enough to clearly identify a police vehicle from like fifty yards away. It wasn't even snowing, and the roads were plowed completely, the only reason my windshield wasn't perfectly clear was just because it was a bit dirty, but it still perfectly clear enough to drive with, or else I would have cleaned it. Are you fucking kidding me about going 60 in a 50? You honestly think that's unreasonable? No one goes the speed limit, because it's slow as hell, and because it's dangerous to go against the flow traffic, either by going too slow or too fast. You're fucking insane. P.S No one was on the road, so you can chill out with all your breaking distance statistics. My thoughts exactly. Obviously at 7:30am theres not going to be many cars on the road. Beside those stats are wrong it depends on the brand of car, weight, and all that other crap.
7:30am is nearly peak hour for people going to work, I wonder how many cars would be on the road because people need to go to work?
Those statistics were taken from the transport authorities website, they are averages based on brand of car, weight, "all that crap". So that doesn't make them wrong.
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On February 11 2010 06:55 kOre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 06:50 ibutoss wrote:On February 10 2010 22:40 Salv wrote:
I was driving in a 50 km/h zone, doing 70 km/h. I usually keep my eyes peeled for police officers, as it's pretty much known in this city where they catch people. However it's the mid of winter, I couldn't too clearly out of the windshield and it was 7:30 a.m so I didn't see an officer parked off of main street on a side road. He clocks me speeding at 20 km/h over the limit and pulls me over.
I'm no expert but by speeding 20k over the limit practically doubles your breaking distance, in your self-confessed bad weather possibly even further. Add to that your reactions might be delayed because your so eagerly searching for marked police vehicles instead of paying attention to the road. Suck up the fine and be thankful someone didn't get hurt or killed from your stupidity. I know this is harsh however when you are driving, you have not just your own life, and your passengers lives in your hands but also everyone else using the roads. Think twice next time. What a douche bag, he obviously knew that he could avoid an accident if it even came to that. Oh and it DOES NOT double your breaking distance even in that weather.
Yes it does. You obviously have never seen real winter. Ice can at least triple your breaking distance. You don't slow down when you're sliding on ice, that's the entire point.
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On February 11 2010 07:28 ibutoss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 07:20 Salv wrote:On February 11 2010 06:55 ibutoss wrote:On February 11 2010 03:39 Salv wrote:
Most likely a good idea, yes. The speed limit is 50 all within the city, so I will just coast at 60 from now on. I'm not sure if I will even go much faster than that when in traffic either. Where I am from at least, most people drive 10 over and that's it, I drive (drove lol) faster than most people, but only because I still felt I was in control of the car.
Going to tell my parents later, hopefully no one breaks out the big spoon. This shows a complete lack of understanding and lack of maturity about this whole situation. Going 60km is still too fast when the signed speed is 50, especially in bad conditions. You THINK you are in control of the car, until you lose control of the car. Oh but you are such a great driver? even professional drivers lose control of their cars because there is one thing you can't control while driving and that's the road conditions. Holy shit mom, I didn't know you posted on TL? Seriously, were you in the car with me? Did you see the roads? The only thing I said about the weather conditions were that it is in the middle of winter, and that my front windshield wasn't clear enough to clearly identify a police vehicle from like fifty yards away. It wasn't even snowing, and the roads were plowed completely, the only reason my windshield wasn't perfectly clear was just because it was a bit dirty, but it still perfectly clear enough to drive with, or else I would have cleaned it. Are you fucking kidding me about going 60 in a 50? You honestly think that's unreasonable? No one goes the speed limit, because it's slow as hell, and because it's dangerous to go against the flow traffic, either by going too slow or too fast. You're fucking insane. P.S No one was on the road, so you can chill out with all your breaking distance statistics. The good thing about knowing I'm right means I don't have to be in the car with you. Yeah I do think driving at the speed limit is reasonable, as do more experienced drivers than yourself who advised government bodies to establish those speed limits. I don't live in Canada but I seriously doubt no one obeys the speed limit since you know, more people from Canada would be posting on tl.net about their fines. Your welcome to act immaturely since this is the blog section so I'll just leave you a quote from our roads and traffic authority (who I'm sure have better driving skills/knowledge AND statistics to back them up, unlike yourself). "The risk of causing death or injury in an urban 60 km/h zone increases rapidly with relatively small increases in speed. The accident risk at 65 km/h is about twice the risk at 60 km/h. At 70 km/h, the accident risk is more than four times the risk than at 60 km/h"
Lmao who the fuck is this guy?
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On February 11 2010 11:00 Salv wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 07:28 ibutoss wrote:On February 11 2010 07:20 Salv wrote:On February 11 2010 06:55 ibutoss wrote:On February 11 2010 03:39 Salv wrote:
Most likely a good idea, yes. The speed limit is 50 all within the city, so I will just coast at 60 from now on. I'm not sure if I will even go much faster than that when in traffic either. Where I am from at least, most people drive 10 over and that's it, I drive (drove lol) faster than most people, but only because I still felt I was in control of the car.
Going to tell my parents later, hopefully no one breaks out the big spoon. This shows a complete lack of understanding and lack of maturity about this whole situation. Going 60km is still too fast when the signed speed is 50, especially in bad conditions. You THINK you are in control of the car, until you lose control of the car. Oh but you are such a great driver? even professional drivers lose control of their cars because there is one thing you can't control while driving and that's the road conditions. Holy shit mom, I didn't know you posted on TL? Seriously, were you in the car with me? Did you see the roads? The only thing I said about the weather conditions were that it is in the middle of winter, and that my front windshield wasn't clear enough to clearly identify a police vehicle from like fifty yards away. It wasn't even snowing, and the roads were plowed completely, the only reason my windshield wasn't perfectly clear was just because it was a bit dirty, but it still perfectly clear enough to drive with, or else I would have cleaned it. Are you fucking kidding me about going 60 in a 50? You honestly think that's unreasonable? No one goes the speed limit, because it's slow as hell, and because it's dangerous to go against the flow traffic, either by going too slow or too fast. You're fucking insane. P.S No one was on the road, so you can chill out with all your breaking distance statistics. The good thing about knowing I'm right means I don't have to be in the car with you. Yeah I do think driving at the speed limit is reasonable, as do more experienced drivers than yourself who advised government bodies to establish those speed limits. I don't live in Canada but I seriously doubt no one obeys the speed limit since you know, more people from Canada would be posting on tl.net about their fines. Your welcome to act immaturely since this is the blog section so I'll just leave you a quote from our roads and traffic authority (who I'm sure have better driving skills/knowledge AND statistics to back them up, unlike yourself). "The risk of causing death or injury in an urban 60 km/h zone increases rapidly with relatively small increases in speed. The accident risk at 65 km/h is about twice the risk at 60 km/h. At 70 km/h, the accident risk is more than four times the risk than at 60 km/h" Lmao who the fuck is this guy?
You're free to ignore information/opinions that disagree with yours, don't know why what he's posting is so upsetting to you.
From the point of view of insurance companies, people who get speeding tickets are such and such more likely to be in accidents, and therefore the expected cost to cover them is higher. So of course their premiums should be raised.
Of course, some people who get speeding tickets aren't more likely to be in accidents, but why should they take anyone's word for it?
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On February 11 2010 09:27 Durak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 06:55 kOre wrote:On February 11 2010 06:50 ibutoss wrote:On February 10 2010 22:40 Salv wrote:
I was driving in a 50 km/h zone, doing 70 km/h. I usually keep my eyes peeled for police officers, as it's pretty much known in this city where they catch people. However it's the mid of winter, I couldn't too clearly out of the windshield and it was 7:30 a.m so I didn't see an officer parked off of main street on a side road. He clocks me speeding at 20 km/h over the limit and pulls me over.
I'm no expert but by speeding 20k over the limit practically doubles your breaking distance, in your self-confessed bad weather possibly even further. Add to that your reactions might be delayed because your so eagerly searching for marked police vehicles instead of paying attention to the road. Suck up the fine and be thankful someone didn't get hurt or killed from your stupidity. I know this is harsh however when you are driving, you have not just your own life, and your passengers lives in your hands but also everyone else using the roads. Think twice next time. What a douche bag, he obviously knew that he could avoid an accident if it even came to that. Oh and it DOES NOT double your breaking distance even in that weather. Yes it does. You obviously have never seen real winter. Ice can at least triple your breaking distance. You don't slow down when you're sliding on ice, that's the entire point.
If there was ice you wouldn't be speeding in the first place. I usually drive 10 over if I can see and it's snowing and whatever, but if I know theres black ice then I keep like 10 meters back from the car in front of me and drive well under the speed limit. It's just common sense, which I'm sure Salv would have done if there was ice (which obviously there wasn't or he would've mentioned it).
EDIT: I live in Calgary right now, probably more black ice here than anywhere else in North America because the weather here blows.
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There's ice everywhere and I'm pretty sure you can't spot it to slow down while you're blazing around at 70km/h. Whatever though, this argument isn't necessary for the thread.
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Kore, I did some research and all the information I have found says that the Justice of the Peace can only reduce the fine, or give me a longer amount of time to pay it, but cannot do anything about the demerit points, do you know anything about this?
I figure it might be one of those things where it isn't legally written, but that they have the power to throw out a ticket. I'm hoping for leniency, I don't mind the fine or the points as long as my insurance doesn't increase. All the sites I've read say that one offense such as this (which is considered minor) won't increase your insurance, but that I am now at risk for increased premiums if I incur any more offenses (which won't happen).
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I went to court on the day that it told me to go and this is what happened.
My ticket was $270 and 3 demerit points. I talked to the guy and told him why I was speeding and he cut me a break and brought it down to $150 and 1 demerit point and told me to start slowing down when I'm driving.
They don't tell you in writing that they'll reduce anything but it does happen. As far as the insurance I'm not too sure but chances are even if it increases it'll only be by a bit.
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On February 11 2010 11:14 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 11:00 Salv wrote:On February 11 2010 07:28 ibutoss wrote:On February 11 2010 07:20 Salv wrote:On February 11 2010 06:55 ibutoss wrote:On February 11 2010 03:39 Salv wrote:
Most likely a good idea, yes. The speed limit is 50 all within the city, so I will just coast at 60 from now on. I'm not sure if I will even go much faster than that when in traffic either. Where I am from at least, most people drive 10 over and that's it, I drive (drove lol) faster than most people, but only because I still felt I was in control of the car.
Going to tell my parents later, hopefully no one breaks out the big spoon. This shows a complete lack of understanding and lack of maturity about this whole situation. Going 60km is still too fast when the signed speed is 50, especially in bad conditions. You THINK you are in control of the car, until you lose control of the car. Oh but you are such a great driver? even professional drivers lose control of their cars because there is one thing you can't control while driving and that's the road conditions. Holy shit mom, I didn't know you posted on TL? Seriously, were you in the car with me? Did you see the roads? The only thing I said about the weather conditions were that it is in the middle of winter, and that my front windshield wasn't clear enough to clearly identify a police vehicle from like fifty yards away. It wasn't even snowing, and the roads were plowed completely, the only reason my windshield wasn't perfectly clear was just because it was a bit dirty, but it still perfectly clear enough to drive with, or else I would have cleaned it. Are you fucking kidding me about going 60 in a 50? You honestly think that's unreasonable? No one goes the speed limit, because it's slow as hell, and because it's dangerous to go against the flow traffic, either by going too slow or too fast. You're fucking insane. P.S No one was on the road, so you can chill out with all your breaking distance statistics. The good thing about knowing I'm right means I don't have to be in the car with you. Yeah I do think driving at the speed limit is reasonable, as do more experienced drivers than yourself who advised government bodies to establish those speed limits. I don't live in Canada but I seriously doubt no one obeys the speed limit since you know, more people from Canada would be posting on tl.net about their fines. Your welcome to act immaturely since this is the blog section so I'll just leave you a quote from our roads and traffic authority (who I'm sure have better driving skills/knowledge AND statistics to back them up, unlike yourself). "The risk of causing death or injury in an urban 60 km/h zone increases rapidly with relatively small increases in speed. The accident risk at 65 km/h is about twice the risk at 60 km/h. At 70 km/h, the accident risk is more than four times the risk than at 60 km/h" Lmao who the fuck is this guy? You're free to ignore information/opinions that disagree with yours, don't know why what he's posting is so upsetting to you. From the point of view of insurance companies, people who get speeding tickets are such and such more likely to be in accidents, and therefore the expected cost to cover them is higher. So of course their premiums should be raised. Of course, some people who get speeding tickets aren't more likely to be in accidents, but why should they take anyone's word for it?
It's not that it's disagreeing with Salv's beliefs, it's just blatantly wrong. For one thing, the guy has never driven in Canada and don't know the general behaviour of Canadian drivers. As someone who has been driving for several years in Canada, I can tell you that you will get tailgated and honked at if you follow the speed limit exactly. The unspoken rule is 10 km/hr above the speed limit. Cops will never pull you over at that speed and everyone goes at least 10 over. On the highway, it is common to see the general traffic move at 120-130km/hr and if you're going 100, then fuck you.
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california tickets are the worst
ive got 450 dollars and whole day of driving school for going 10 miles over
and the speed limit was unuusually low to begin with for that zone
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On February 11 2010 15:42 infinity21 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 11:14 igotmyown wrote:On February 11 2010 11:00 Salv wrote:On February 11 2010 07:28 ibutoss wrote:On February 11 2010 07:20 Salv wrote:On February 11 2010 06:55 ibutoss wrote:On February 11 2010 03:39 Salv wrote:
Most likely a good idea, yes. The speed limit is 50 all within the city, so I will just coast at 60 from now on. I'm not sure if I will even go much faster than that when in traffic either. Where I am from at least, most people drive 10 over and that's it, I drive (drove lol) faster than most people, but only because I still felt I was in control of the car.
Going to tell my parents later, hopefully no one breaks out the big spoon. This shows a complete lack of understanding and lack of maturity about this whole situation. Going 60km is still too fast when the signed speed is 50, especially in bad conditions. You THINK you are in control of the car, until you lose control of the car. Oh but you are such a great driver? even professional drivers lose control of their cars because there is one thing you can't control while driving and that's the road conditions. Holy shit mom, I didn't know you posted on TL? Seriously, were you in the car with me? Did you see the roads? The only thing I said about the weather conditions were that it is in the middle of winter, and that my front windshield wasn't clear enough to clearly identify a police vehicle from like fifty yards away. It wasn't even snowing, and the roads were plowed completely, the only reason my windshield wasn't perfectly clear was just because it was a bit dirty, but it still perfectly clear enough to drive with, or else I would have cleaned it. Are you fucking kidding me about going 60 in a 50? You honestly think that's unreasonable? No one goes the speed limit, because it's slow as hell, and because it's dangerous to go against the flow traffic, either by going too slow or too fast. You're fucking insane. P.S No one was on the road, so you can chill out with all your breaking distance statistics. The good thing about knowing I'm right means I don't have to be in the car with you. Yeah I do think driving at the speed limit is reasonable, as do more experienced drivers than yourself who advised government bodies to establish those speed limits. I don't live in Canada but I seriously doubt no one obeys the speed limit since you know, more people from Canada would be posting on tl.net about their fines. Your welcome to act immaturely since this is the blog section so I'll just leave you a quote from our roads and traffic authority (who I'm sure have better driving skills/knowledge AND statistics to back them up, unlike yourself). "The risk of causing death or injury in an urban 60 km/h zone increases rapidly with relatively small increases in speed. The accident risk at 65 km/h is about twice the risk at 60 km/h. At 70 km/h, the accident risk is more than four times the risk than at 60 km/h" Lmao who the fuck is this guy? You're free to ignore information/opinions that disagree with yours, don't know why what he's posting is so upsetting to you. From the point of view of insurance companies, people who get speeding tickets are such and such more likely to be in accidents, and therefore the expected cost to cover them is higher. So of course their premiums should be raised. Of course, some people who get speeding tickets aren't more likely to be in accidents, but why should they take anyone's word for it? It's not that it's disagreeing with Salv's beliefs, it's just blatantly wrong. For one thing, the guy has never driven in Canada and don't know the general behaviour of Canadian drivers. As someone who has been driving for several years in Canada, I can tell you that you will get tailgated and honked at if you follow the speed limit exactly. The unspoken rule is 10 km/hr above the speed limit. Cops will never pull you over at that speed and everyone goes at least 10 over. On the highway, it is common to see the general traffic move at 120-130km/hr and if you're going 100, then fuck you.
yes this is pretty much true. Even in small towns unless it's like some god awful fog/blizzard everyone is always going 10km/h over the limit. It's not unsafe in the least as there is definitely no increase in accidents.
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On February 10 2010 23:42 Salv wrote:
You can go about 10 - 15 km/h over here it seems and you'll be fine, but 20 km/h or higher and you're going to be pulled over. I won't be speeding (no more 20 over, only 10) from now on, because I can't afford to have my license suspended for thirty days, that would be a nightmare.
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I got caught twice going 9kms over the limit while on my Provisional Licence and lost it for 3 months. Each time cost me 3 demerits and about $150, and since I was on my provisional licence I had 4 demerits (fully licenced drivers get 12 demerits).
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On February 11 2010 16:37 MaReK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2010 23:42 Salv wrote:
You can go about 10 - 15 km/h over here it seems and you'll be fine, but 20 km/h or higher and you're going to be pulled over. I won't be speeding (no more 20 over, only 10) from now on, because I can't afford to have my license suspended for thirty days, that would be a nightmare. ..... I got caught twice going 9kms over the limit while on my Provisional Licence and lost it for 3 months. Each time cost me 3 demerits and about $150, and since I was on my provisional licence I had 4 demerits (fully licenced drivers get 12 demerits).
I see you live in Austrailia. You do know the ones who know what they are talking about live in Canada. Like infinity21 said "the unspoken rule of 10km/h over is okay".
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^ Yeah I was aware, I was just comparing Canada & Australia.
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infinity21
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Honestly, with the increased safety of modern cars getting fatter ( ) and equipped with more technology (abs, traction control, stability control, emergency maneuvers, etc), I think they should increase the speed limit on a lot of our streets. Of course, pure residential streets should stay at 40/50 during school time but having to go at 50 on those roads at 10 pm is just nonsensical imo. You could safely go 70 on many 50 roads.
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On February 11 2010 17:23 infinity21 wrote:Honestly, with the increased safety of modern cars getting fatter ( ) and equipped with more technology (abs, traction control, stability control, emergency maneuvers, etc), I think they should increase the speed limit on a lot of our streets. Of course, pure residential streets should stay at 40/50 during school time but having to go at 50 on those roads at 10 pm is just nonsensical imo. You could safely go 70 on many 50 roads.
I thought oh my god, are you insane, until I realized you're using that newfangled metric system.
The problem isn't whether you can drive safely 99% of the time, the problem is the <1% of the time when there are accidents, and how much driving faster increases the accident rate. You're looking at the wrong data set.
There's a big problem with the modern cars argument. Aside from the obvious one, is there research that modern safety measures decrease accident rates?
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infinity21
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On February 11 2010 17:33 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 17:23 infinity21 wrote:Honestly, with the increased safety of modern cars getting fatter ( ) and equipped with more technology (abs, traction control, stability control, emergency maneuvers, etc), I think they should increase the speed limit on a lot of our streets. Of course, pure residential streets should stay at 40/50 during school time but having to go at 50 on those roads at 10 pm is just nonsensical imo. You could safely go 70 on many 50 roads. I thought oh my god, are you insane, until I realized you're using that newfangled metric system. The problem isn't whether you can drive safely 99% of the time, the problem is the <1% of the time when there are accidents, and how much driving faster increases the accident rate. You're looking at the wrong data set. There's a big problem with the modern cars argument. Aside from the obvious one, is there research that modern safety measures decrease accident rates?
If you're not convinced that automatic brakes that perform better than >99% of the driving population, a system which allows you to get maximum traction in any situation and a system that brakes individual wheels to correct sliding will NOT decrease accident rates then I'm obviously wasting my time. Do you even drive?
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On February 11 2010 15:40 kOre wrote:
I went to court on the day that it told me to go and this is what happened.
My ticket was $270 and 3 demerit points. I talked to the guy and told him why I was speeding and he cut me a break and brought it down to $150 and 1 demerit point and told me to start slowing down when I'm driving.
They don't tell you in writing that they'll reduce anything but it does happen. As far as the insurance I'm not too sure but chances are even if it increases it'll only be by a bit.
Phew, I am happy to hear this. I read that they can only reduce the fine or give you a longer time to pay it, but do nothing about the points. I was thinking that they probably can throw out the ticket, but that they can't say that officially, so good to hear. I'll probably update this blog on Tuesday with my conversation with the Justice, hopefully he's a nice guy (or girl!).
On February 11 2010 15:42 infinity21 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 11:14 igotmyown wrote:On February 11 2010 11:00 Salv wrote:On February 11 2010 07:28 ibutoss wrote:On February 11 2010 07:20 Salv wrote:On February 11 2010 06:55 ibutoss wrote:On February 11 2010 03:39 Salv wrote:
Most likely a good idea, yes. The speed limit is 50 all within the city, so I will just coast at 60 from now on. I'm not sure if I will even go much faster than that when in traffic either. Where I am from at least, most people drive 10 over and that's it, I drive (drove lol) faster than most people, but only because I still felt I was in control of the car.
Going to tell my parents later, hopefully no one breaks out the big spoon. This shows a complete lack of understanding and lack of maturity about this whole situation. Going 60km is still too fast when the signed speed is 50, especially in bad conditions. You THINK you are in control of the car, until you lose control of the car. Oh but you are such a great driver? even professional drivers lose control of their cars because there is one thing you can't control while driving and that's the road conditions. Holy shit mom, I didn't know you posted on TL? Seriously, were you in the car with me? Did you see the roads? The only thing I said about the weather conditions were that it is in the middle of winter, and that my front windshield wasn't clear enough to clearly identify a police vehicle from like fifty yards away. It wasn't even snowing, and the roads were plowed completely, the only reason my windshield wasn't perfectly clear was just because it was a bit dirty, but it still perfectly clear enough to drive with, or else I would have cleaned it. Are you fucking kidding me about going 60 in a 50? You honestly think that's unreasonable? No one goes the speed limit, because it's slow as hell, and because it's dangerous to go against the flow traffic, either by going too slow or too fast. You're fucking insane. P.S No one was on the road, so you can chill out with all your breaking distance statistics. The good thing about knowing I'm right means I don't have to be in the car with you. Yeah I do think driving at the speed limit is reasonable, as do more experienced drivers than yourself who advised government bodies to establish those speed limits. I don't live in Canada but I seriously doubt no one obeys the speed limit since you know, more people from Canada would be posting on tl.net about their fines. Your welcome to act immaturely since this is the blog section so I'll just leave you a quote from our roads and traffic authority (who I'm sure have better driving skills/knowledge AND statistics to back them up, unlike yourself). "The risk of causing death or injury in an urban 60 km/h zone increases rapidly with relatively small increases in speed. The accident risk at 65 km/h is about twice the risk at 60 km/h. At 70 km/h, the accident risk is more than four times the risk than at 60 km/h" Lmao who the fuck is this guy? You're free to ignore information/opinions that disagree with yours, don't know why what he's posting is so upsetting to you. From the point of view of insurance companies, people who get speeding tickets are such and such more likely to be in accidents, and therefore the expected cost to cover them is higher. So of course their premiums should be raised. Of course, some people who get speeding tickets aren't more likely to be in accidents, but why should they take anyone's word for it? It's not that it's disagreeing with Salv's beliefs, it's just blatantly wrong. For one thing, the guy has never driven in Canada and don't know the general behaviour of Canadian drivers. As someone who has been driving for several years in Canada, I can tell you that you will get tailgated and honked at if you follow the speed limit exactly. The unspoken rule is 10 km/hr above the speed limit. Cops will never pull you over at that speed and everyone goes at least 10 over. On the highway, it is common to see the general traffic move at 120-130km/hr and if you're going 100, then fuck you.
Haha thank you Jesung. Completely agree here, if you drive the speed limit, you're in more danger than driving 10 over like every body else. 10 over is pretty much the speed every person drives at unless:
- They are eldery
- They are taking driving lessons
Seriously beyond this I barely see any one driving the limit, they slow every one up and it is IMO way too slow. I think the only reason they don't change the limit to 60 for example is because then people would be driving 10 over that, which is 70. It's funny how I am talking about what a reasonable speed is to not be pulled over, considering that I did, but that's the lesson I learned.
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How do you know his first name ... lol stalker
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
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I dunno how it is in Canada but in usa/california (probably said before but anwyays) you can usually go to arraignment/court hearing thing. Where they offere you alternatives to reduce the fine or remove the points. For moving violations I think they offer driving classes where you go and watch movies like red asphalt.
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On February 10 2010 22:47 FaCE_1 wrote:
none yet, I always drive 20km\h over the limits when the limits of 60km\h or more (expect for the morning when the trafic it self go at 130km\h)
I Arleady come REALLY close to. I was speeding with another car at 100km\h in a 50km\h route and a cops cross road us. we both hit the brake, cops turn his light on and do a U turn. We are both at a red light so we are pretty much doom. Luckly, I was in the left road when the other dudes was in the right road so the cops only took him and I ran away =)
God I was scare ( I was like 17 years old by that time)
Oh Gawd, this reminds me of when I once did 160 km/hr in a 72 km/hr to catch up with another car that was maybe doing 120 km/hr...
Exact same thing happened.
Or the time I was doing like 240 km/hr on a completely clear hwy and this bastard was parked on the side ahead near the bridge, and I thought he was a cop, got so scared.
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On February 11 2010 17:52 infinity21 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 17:33 igotmyown wrote:On February 11 2010 17:23 infinity21 wrote:Honestly, with the increased safety of modern cars getting fatter ( ) and equipped with more technology (abs, traction control, stability control, emergency maneuvers, etc), I think they should increase the speed limit on a lot of our streets. Of course, pure residential streets should stay at 40/50 during school time but having to go at 50 on those roads at 10 pm is just nonsensical imo. You could safely go 70 on many 50 roads. I thought oh my god, are you insane, until I realized you're using that newfangled metric system. The problem isn't whether you can drive safely 99% of the time, the problem is the <1% of the time when there are accidents, and how much driving faster increases the accident rate. You're looking at the wrong data set. There's a big problem with the modern cars argument. Aside from the obvious one, is there research that modern safety measures decrease accident rates? If you're not convinced that automatic brakes that perform better than >99% of the driving population, a system which allows you to get maximum traction in any situation and a system that brakes individual wheels to correct sliding will NOT decrease accident rates then I'm obviously wasting my time.
I can't find the article that brought it to my attention, but it was following Ralph Nader's quest to reduce traffic fatalities by increasing automobile safety. Edit: here it is http://www.aei-brookings.org/admin/authorpdfs/page.php?id=1144
Do you even drive? If you can't follow anything other than direct obvious reasoning, I can spell it out the example.
1. Increasing automobile safety save lives in accidents.
2. Yet automobile deaths have increased while there have been more safety measures.
3. Traffic fatalities are caused by accidents.
4. Do safety regulations cost lives in accidents? No, that contradicts 1.
5. This makes no sense! Wait, traffic fatalities = rate of accidents x average fatalities in an accident.
6. So by 1, safety regulations probably decrease the average fatalities in an accident. But then, rate of accidents must have significantly increased.
7. Is 6 significant? Well, if safety measures have significantly decreased fatalities per accident, then the increase in fatalities is at least if not more significant.
Now let's spell out not what's wrong about your conclusion, but why you should reconsider your conclusions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peltzman_effect
You've relied on personal experience and came up with exactly the wrong conclusion. In fact it's the conclusion that drives the effect in the first place. Hence, your personal experience reasoning towards adequate safety is suspect and is not something you should trust.
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wow your tickets are expensive. My one ticket was for going 94 in a 65 zone (that's like 150 in a 105 zone in kph) Ticket was $65
Granted, he let me off a little. He pulled over me and my buddy I was following. Since my friend was only doing 15 over, he ticketed me for that since the guy behind sometimes is a little slower, sometimes a little faster. I wasn't going to argue.
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I had my fair share, mostly rolling stops >.<
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aka the California Stop. I prefer to call it a "California Roll". People probably don't call it that up north do they :D
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On February 12 2010 07:49 MamiyaOtaru wrote:
aka the California Stop. I prefer to call it a "California Roll". People probably don't call it that up north do they :D
Haha, here in Canada we call it a rolling stop.
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On February 12 2010 05:52 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 17:52 infinity21 wrote:On February 11 2010 17:33 igotmyown wrote:On February 11 2010 17:23 infinity21 wrote:Honestly, with the increased safety of modern cars getting fatter ( ) and equipped with more technology (abs, traction control, stability control, emergency maneuvers, etc), I think they should increase the speed limit on a lot of our streets. Of course, pure residential streets should stay at 40/50 during school time but having to go at 50 on those roads at 10 pm is just nonsensical imo. You could safely go 70 on many 50 roads. I thought oh my god, are you insane, until I realized you're using that newfangled metric system. The problem isn't whether you can drive safely 99% of the time, the problem is the <1% of the time when there are accidents, and how much driving faster increases the accident rate. You're looking at the wrong data set. There's a big problem with the modern cars argument. Aside from the obvious one, is there research that modern safety measures decrease accident rates? If you're not convinced that automatic brakes that perform better than >99% of the driving population, a system which allows you to get maximum traction in any situation and a system that brakes individual wheels to correct sliding will NOT decrease accident rates then I'm obviously wasting my time. I can't find the article that brought it to my attention, but it was following Ralph Nader's quest to reduce traffic fatalities by increasing automobile safety. Edit: here it is http://www.aei-brookings.org/admin/authorpdfs/page.php?id=1144If you can't follow anything other than direct obvious reasoning, I can spell it out the example. 1. Increasing automobile safety save lives in accidents. 2. Yet automobile deaths have increased while there have been more safety measures. 3. Traffic fatalities are caused by accidents. 4. Do safety regulations cost lives in accidents? No, that contradicts 1. 5. This makes no sense! Wait, traffic fatalities = rate of accidents x average fatalities in an accident. 6. So by 1, safety regulations probably decrease the average fatalities in an accident. But then, rate of accidents must have significantly increased. 7. Is 6 significant? Well, if safety measures have significantly decreased fatalities per accident, then the increase in fatalities is at least if not more significant. Now let's spell out not what's wrong about your conclusion, but why you should reconsider your conclusions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peltzman_effectYou've relied on personal experience and came up with exactly the wrong conclusion. In fact it's the conclusion that drives the effect in the first place. Hence, your personal experience reasoning towards adequate safety is suspect and is not something you should trust.
Go troll somewhere else retard
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wow salv ur speeding story is like the most popular blog atm XD
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