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On February 09 2010 07:45 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2010 07:37 mOnion wrote:On February 09 2010 07:23 eshlow wrote:
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It's not a stress fracture although it can devolve into one possible if you keep working it out.
But it's more likely to bone spur or plantar fasciitis than to stress fracture.
1. Don't need another pair of shoes unless yours are worn out. Arch support is overrated -- your arches should be able to handle themselves;
2. and you should be using racing FLATS and nothing with padding because padding does jack crap for preventing injuries. wearing flats for an 8 mile run is stupid unless its tempo. training running should be done with quality shoes with quality support. its NOT overrated, and it's the easiest way to get injured fast. I agree IF the person hasn't built up to that level of activity. The OP clearly overdid it since he is coming back from a break in activity. Most of the Kenyans/Ethiopians run in flats or barefoot. All long distance runners. The arch was meant, WITH PROPER CONDITIONING, to run long distances. "Support" is overrated -- no reduction in injury risk http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19387413
ya well kenyans are kenyans. but for someone who cant even diagnose their own injury like the OP, i'd suggest better shoes.
and not everyone's arches are the same. as it turns out, everyone is special. we're all like snowflakes.
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I looked at plantar fasciitis a bit online, it seems similar to what I'm feeling but not the same. It usually happens more gradually, and gets worse over time. Also, it is supposed to be most painful when you first get up in the morning, but that's not the case for me.
Wearing flats for a long run is a dumb suggestion, I have decent cross training shoes.
If it feels better in a couple of days, I guess I can assume I just strained a muscle or something. Otherwise, i'll probably get an x-ray.
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On February 09 2010 07:57 sc4k wrote:
Replace your blood with bleach
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Do this too.
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On February 09 2010 07:45 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2010 07:37 mOnion wrote:On February 09 2010 07:23 eshlow wrote:
P.S.
It's not a stress fracture although it can devolve into one possible if you keep working it out.
But it's more likely to bone spur or plantar fasciitis than to stress fracture.
1. Don't need another pair of shoes unless yours are worn out. Arch support is overrated -- your arches should be able to handle themselves;
2. and you should be using racing FLATS and nothing with padding because padding does jack crap for preventing injuries. wearing flats for an 8 mile run is stupid unless its tempo. training running should be done with quality shoes with quality support. its NOT overrated, and it's the easiest way to get injured fast. I agree IF the person hasn't built up to that level of activity. The OP clearly overdid it since he is coming back from a break in activity. Most of the Kenyans/Ethiopians run in flats or barefoot. All long distance runners. The arch was meant, WITH PROPER CONDITIONING, to run long distances. "Support" is overrated -- no reduction in injury risk http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19387413
As has been suggested before me, training in flats is something that depends heavily on the person. There's no consensus on it - it's just personal preference.
But without doubt if someone is recently hurting and is not used to running in them they should not immediately transition to running in nothing but flats. That's just asking to make the situation worse.
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http://www.barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu/1WhyConsiderFootStrike.html
http://www.menshealth.com/men/fitness/motivation/longevity/article/3b4b1ca01e91c010VgnVCM10000013281eac
These kinds of foot strikes differ profoundly from heel striking both in terms of how the body is moving and the resulting forces on the body. Most runners who wear standard running shoes usually heel strike, but our research suggests that most barefoot or minimally shod endurance runners forefoot strike and sometimes midfoot strike.
If I understand their research, the connective tissue from your calf to the bottom of your feet and toes gets stretched out while running. And then you land on your heels, applying large amounts of force to said tissue. This would probably would cause the symptoms at the bottom of your feet.
I'd take this advice with a grain of salt, just like I do with eschlow's claims that not eating carbohydrates will prevent inflammation and injury. But then what do I know, those Ethiopians/Kenyans probably are well known for their all meat Paleo diets. My apologies for the last snipe, I'm getting worried that a lot of people these days are being sucked into the latest fads.
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On February 09 2010 07:58 LxRogue wrote:
I looked at plantar fasciitis a bit online, it seems similar to what I'm feeling but not the same. It usually happens more gradually, and gets worse over time. Also, it is supposed to be most painful when you first get up in the morning, but that's not the case for me.
Wearing flats for a long run is a dumb suggestion, I have decent cross training shoes.
If it feels better in a couple of days, I guess I can assume I just strained a muscle or something. Otherwise, i'll probably get an x-ray.
It doesn't feel bruised or painful when I'm sitting or standing, but when I walk, I get a sharp pain towards the back of my arch. I don't notice any swelling or redness either.
Right.
http://www.drjimbyers.com/custom_content/31677_plantar_fasciitis.html
Based on the limited information you gave, the aggravation of the plantar fascia connection into the calcaneal tuberosity is what you have.
It's the START of potential PF or bone spurring as I said. But not the actual condition. However, it will devolve into such if you don't let it heal.
I'm not really sure why I'm arguing with you though so shrug.
On February 09 2010 08:04 igotmyown wrote:http://www.barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu/1WhyConsiderFootStrike.htmlhttp://www.menshealth.com/men/fitness/motivation/longevity/article/3b4b1ca01e91c010VgnVCM10000013281eacShow nested quote +These kinds of foot strikes differ profoundly from heel striking both in terms of how the body is moving and the resulting forces on the body. Most runners who wear standard running shoes usually heel strike, but our research suggests that most barefoot or minimally shod endurance runners forefoot strike and sometimes midfoot strike. If I understand their research, the connective tissue from your calf to the bottom of your feet and toes gets stretched out while running. And then you land on your heels, applying large amounts of force to said tissue. This would probably would cause the symptoms at the bottom of your feet. I'd take this advice with a grain of salt, just like I do with eschlow's claims that not eating carbohydrates will prevent inflammation and injury. But then what do I know, those Ethiopians/Kenyans probably are well known for their all meat Paleo diets. My apologies for the last snipe, I'm getting worried that a lot of people these days are being sucked into the latest fads.
First, I never said anything like that at all.
Second, considering I've been eating/living like this WAAAY before these articles are coming out in the newspaper I'm pretty sure I'm not following a "fad." If anything, the fad is following me (or rather us the community that has been around before this stuff has been coming out (via Cordain, Robb Wolf, etc.).
Anyway, I'm done here. If people don't want my advice I'll just stop posting in blogs.
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you can have a stress fracture that doesnt hurt when its not being used...i've had one
see a doctor and get an xray taken, gl
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http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_5/191.shtml#body
It might be a plantar fascilitis injury, those are pretty common (i'm on the school track team, run 7 ish miles a day, I've had them myself and have seen a fair share of injuries) so you might want to take a look at that page. It might be possible that you have flat feet and your arch pain is a symptom of that, in which case you may need some specialty running shoes.
Get some ice and ice your arches where it's painful.
Also, you should go to a local running specialty store (not sports authority!) and get a quality pair of running shoes. Yes, Kenyans and Ethiopians do not wear shoes normally, but they grew up not wearing shoes and a lot of times do not run on hard concrete/asphalt. We, on the other hand, have grown up wearing shoes and as such the little muscles in our feet are not as strong and can't take the pounding. Shoeless running is not for everyone, it takes a lot of time to work into it.
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You have a broken finger.
Stop touching your foot...
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