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Recently I've been getting back into running because I slacked off pretty hard over Christmas/New Years. Yesterday morning I ran about 8 miles, and that afternoon my foot starting hurting fairly sharply.
It doesn't feel bruised or painful when I'm sitting or standing, but when I walk, I get a sharp pain towards the back of my arch. I don't notice any swelling or redness either.
Anyone get in injury like this before? I'm worried it could be a stress fracture, but I've heard that will hurt even when you aren't walking or standing.
Couple clarifications: This came on fairly suddenly; I didn't feel anything until after I had finished the run. I have been running often for the past 2 weeks. 8 miles was the longest distance I had gone, but it wasn't like it was the first time.
 
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Possible stress fracture?
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Kennigit
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You probably have shin splints. It's from running on hard surfaces, and you might have flat feet. I used to get it when running long distances in military - best solution was to get custom insoles which are like 130$ or something (if you have flat feet). Otherwise, if you haven't been running that much recently, i would pace yourself until you build up your strength...8 miles seems a bit much after slacking for so long and is probably the cause of the pain.
Try running on a grass field if you have access to one.
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On February 09 2010 06:48 Kennigit wrote:
You probably have shin splints. It's from running on hard surfaces, and you might have flat feet. I used to get it when running long distances in military - best solution was to get custom insoles which are like 130$ or something (if you have flat feet). Otherwise, if you haven't been running that much recently, i would pace yourself until you build up your strength...8 miles seems a bit much after slacking for so long and is probably the cause of the pain.
Try running on a grass field if you have access to one.
This would sound like the situation you are in. 
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I got those two when I started running again after 4 years of pretty much not exercising at all. Though I started small only running two miles...and Ive been slacking lately mostly due to the weather here has been so Blah. What was said earlier is probably most correct. I also have heard the way your foot strikes the ground as your running can also cause it as well.
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On February 09 2010 06:48 Kennigit wrote:
You probably have shin splints. It's from running on hard surfaces, and you might have flat feet. I used to get it when running long distances in military - best solution was to get custom insoles which are like 130$ or something (if you have flat feet). Otherwise, if you haven't been running that much recently, i would pace yourself until you build up your strength...8 miles seems a bit much after slacking for so long and is probably the cause of the pain.
Try running on a grass field if you have access to one.
I'm pretty sure it's not shin splints. I've felt those before when I was like 15. Plus, the pain is right at the bottom/side of my arch, not in my shins.
Yeah 8 miles was the longest i had gone in a while, but i had run maybe 7 out of the past 10 days and felt pretty good, so the run on Sunday must have caused it. Shin splints are more of a chronic injury.
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Wow! Kennigit is so smart. Hey Kennigit, I have digestive problems, have tried going without gluten and then without lactose, but the abdominal pains remain intermittent and unpredictable. I have no familial histories of digestive disorders, you know what it might be?
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On February 09 2010 06:55 love1another wrote:
Wow! Kennigit is so smart. Hey Kennigit, I have digestive problems, have tried going without gluten and then without lactose, but the abdominal pains remain intermittent and unpredictable. I have no familial histories of digestive disorders, you know what it might be?
Coffee? Sugar? Fish oil? Stress?
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If it ends up being nothing and you're set to resume your running, you might want to increase milage and intensity more gradually. Your heart, lungs and leg muscles might be getting fitter faster than your bones, joints and ligaments can handle.
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On February 09 2010 07:02 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2010 06:55 love1another wrote:
Wow! Kennigit is so smart. Hey Kennigit, I have digestive problems, have tried going without gluten and then without lactose, but the abdominal pains remain intermittent and unpredictable. I have no familial histories of digestive disorders, you know what it might be? Coffee? Sugar? Fish oil? Stress?
It's probably stress. 
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On February 09 2010 06:55 love1another wrote:
Wow! Kennigit is so smart. Hey Kennigit, I have digestive problems, have tried going without gluten and then without lactose, but the abdominal pains remain intermittent and unpredictable. I have no familial histories of digestive disorders, you know what it might be?
Increase your fiber intake and don't eat processed foods for about a week.
If it isn't a digestive disorder (as it isn't in your family history) I would assume a sudden stressor or stimulus (like food poisoning) caused your first abdominal pain and you haven't gotten back into a healthy fiber-filled diet to normalize your digestion.
If you can give us details on your average diet (especially things you are missing, for instance if you have a low fruit, grain or vegetable intake), it would be much easier to diagnose.
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On February 09 2010 06:54 LxRogue wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2010 06:48 Kennigit wrote:
You probably have shin splints. It's from running on hard surfaces, and you might have flat feet. I used to get it when running long distances in military - best solution was to get custom insoles which are like 130$ or something (if you have flat feet). Otherwise, if you haven't been running that much recently, i would pace yourself until you build up your strength...8 miles seems a bit much after slacking for so long and is probably the cause of the pain.
Try running on a grass field if you have access to one. I'm pretty sure it's not shin splints. I've felt those before when I was like 15. Plus, the pain is right at the bottom/side of my arch, not in my shins. Yeah 8 miles was the longest i had gone in a while, but i had run maybe 7 out of the past 10 days and felt pretty good, so the run on Sunday must have caused it. Shin splints are more of a chronic injury.
You say it is a SHARP pain when you walk, so I'm worried that you might have created a stress fracture as well :/
most important thing is to figure out whether or not it is muscular soreness or pain, and then to go on from there. If you find it is muscular pain, I would highly recommend buying some BENGAY(tm) and putting it on the area in question. (I would recommend buying BENGAY even if it isn't a muscular pain, since you seem to be a regular runner: when I ran track, it was a lifesaver).
If it is a more serious injury, I would go to a doctor or someone more knowledgeable, and then try to identify problems in your running form to prevent further occurrences, as taking breaks from running can cause differences in your landing etc. (unless you jumped on a metal rod or something o.o)
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Pain at the calcaneal tuberosity on the plantar aspect of the foot after extensive exercise is the start of plantar fasciitis.
If you want an analogy it's kinda like "tendonitis" but for the plantar fascia... much like the tibial tuberosity like osgood schlatter's.... or sever's disease for the achilles.
If you don't rest and let it heal -- use ice, self massage, anti-inflams, etc. -- you will likely develop some pretty bad plantar fasciitis and likely get some bone spurs as well.
Fish oil will help as an anti-inflammatory if you want to use it.
Main thing is rest. REST REST REST.
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On February 09 2010 06:45 LxRogue wrote:
Recently I've been getting back into running because I slacked off pretty hard over Christmas/New Years. Yesterday morning I ran about 8 miles, and that afternoon my foot starting hurting fairly sharply.
It doesn't feel bruised or painful when I'm sitting or standing, but when I walk, I get a sharp pain towards the back of my arch. I don't notice any swelling or redness either.
Anyone get in injury like this before? I'm worried it could be a stress fracture, but I've heard that will hurt even when you aren't walking or standing.
hmm that was stupid. if you wanted to run 8 miles, you're clearly a runner, and as such you should know not to get back into things THAT fast.
trim it back down to like 4. then bump up to 5,6, and then 8 over a couple of weeks.
also it sounds like the arch of your foot hurts, so i'd suggest a pair of Asics. its prolly not a stress fracture, those hurt way more.
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It's not a stress fracture although it can devolve into one possible if you keep working it out.
But it's more likely to bone spur or plantar fasciitis than to stress fracture.
1. Don't need another pair of shoes unless yours are worn out. Arch support is overrated -- your arches should be able to handle themselves;
2. and you should be using racing FLATS and nothing with padding because padding does jack crap for preventing injuries.
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On February 09 2010 06:48 Kennigit wrote:
You probably have shin splints. It's from running on hard surfaces, and you might have flat feet. I used to get it when running long distances in military - best solution was to get custom insoles which are like 130$ or something (if you have flat feet). Otherwise, if you haven't been running that much recently, i would pace yourself until you build up your strength...8 miles seems a bit much after slacking for so long and is probably the cause of the pain.
Try running on a grass field if you have access to one.
As far as I know (I've had chronic shin splint for several years now because of sports) shin splint actually hurts much worse when you're standing than when you're walking.
Pains like this are completely normal when you get right back into sports after a break, I get them so often I don't care at all anymore because they'll go away after a week or so anyway. That's probably not the healthiest way and I'm sure your best solution for the future is to just start again a bit slower, but I really don't think this pain is something to worry about. Most likely it's just an overstrained sinew or something.
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On February 09 2010 07:23 eshlow wrote:
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It's not a stress fracture although it can devolve into one possible if you keep working it out.
But it's more likely to bone spur or plantar fasciitis than to stress fracture.
1. Don't need another pair of shoes unless yours are worn out. Arch support is overrated -- your arches should be able to handle themselves;
2. and you should be using racing FLATS and nothing with padding because padding does jack crap for preventing injuries.
wearing flats for an 8 mile run is stupid unless its tempo. training running should be done with quality shoes with quality support. its NOT overrated, and it's the easiest way to get injured fast.
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On February 09 2010 07:37 mOnion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2010 07:23 eshlow wrote:
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It's not a stress fracture although it can devolve into one possible if you keep working it out.
But it's more likely to bone spur or plantar fasciitis than to stress fracture.
1. Don't need another pair of shoes unless yours are worn out. Arch support is overrated -- your arches should be able to handle themselves;
2. and you should be using racing FLATS and nothing with padding because padding does jack crap for preventing injuries. wearing flats for an 8 mile run is stupid unless its tempo. training running should be done with quality shoes with quality support. its NOT overrated, and it's the easiest way to get injured fast.
I agree IF the person hasn't built up to that level of activity.
The OP clearly overdid it since he is coming back from a break in activity.
Most of the Kenyans/Ethiopians run in flats or barefoot. All long distance runners. The arch was meant, WITH PROPER CONDITIONING, to run long distances.
"Support" is overrated -- no reduction in injury risk
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19387413
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Wow, this is turning into LetsRun.com.
Aside from the debate of 'shoes vs no shoes', I'd say just keep easing into it and keep an eye on the foot to see if the pain persists.
Also, how old are your shoes? You can get away with running in an old pair, but sometimes they get worn down unevenly, and pain can occur in one foot. Do a quick check to see if they're worn asymmetrically (just eyeball it).
I was a competitive runner for almost eight years, and the pain you describe sounds like the discomfort of running after being idle for a while. Just relax, and you'll soon find the culprit.
Cheers -
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Replace your blood with bleach
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On February 09 2010 07:45 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2010 07:37 mOnion wrote:On February 09 2010 07:23 eshlow wrote:
P.S.
It's not a stress fracture although it can devolve into one possible if you keep working it out.
But it's more likely to bone spur or plantar fasciitis than to stress fracture.
1. Don't need another pair of shoes unless yours are worn out. Arch support is overrated -- your arches should be able to handle themselves;
2. and you should be using racing FLATS and nothing with padding because padding does jack crap for preventing injuries. wearing flats for an 8 mile run is stupid unless its tempo. training running should be done with quality shoes with quality support. its NOT overrated, and it's the easiest way to get injured fast. I agree IF the person hasn't built up to that level of activity. The OP clearly overdid it since he is coming back from a break in activity. Most of the Kenyans/Ethiopians run in flats or barefoot. All long distance runners. The arch was meant, WITH PROPER CONDITIONING, to run long distances. "Support" is overrated -- no reduction in injury risk http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19387413
ya well kenyans are kenyans. but for someone who cant even diagnose their own injury like the OP, i'd suggest better shoes.
and not everyone's arches are the same. as it turns out, everyone is special. we're all like snowflakes.
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I looked at plantar fasciitis a bit online, it seems similar to what I'm feeling but not the same. It usually happens more gradually, and gets worse over time. Also, it is supposed to be most painful when you first get up in the morning, but that's not the case for me.
Wearing flats for a long run is a dumb suggestion, I have decent cross training shoes.
If it feels better in a couple of days, I guess I can assume I just strained a muscle or something. Otherwise, i'll probably get an x-ray.
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On February 09 2010 07:57 sc4k wrote:
Replace your blood with bleach
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Do this too.
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On February 09 2010 07:45 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2010 07:37 mOnion wrote:On February 09 2010 07:23 eshlow wrote:
P.S.
It's not a stress fracture although it can devolve into one possible if you keep working it out.
But it's more likely to bone spur or plantar fasciitis than to stress fracture.
1. Don't need another pair of shoes unless yours are worn out. Arch support is overrated -- your arches should be able to handle themselves;
2. and you should be using racing FLATS and nothing with padding because padding does jack crap for preventing injuries. wearing flats for an 8 mile run is stupid unless its tempo. training running should be done with quality shoes with quality support. its NOT overrated, and it's the easiest way to get injured fast. I agree IF the person hasn't built up to that level of activity. The OP clearly overdid it since he is coming back from a break in activity. Most of the Kenyans/Ethiopians run in flats or barefoot. All long distance runners. The arch was meant, WITH PROPER CONDITIONING, to run long distances. "Support" is overrated -- no reduction in injury risk http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19387413
As has been suggested before me, training in flats is something that depends heavily on the person. There's no consensus on it - it's just personal preference.
But without doubt if someone is recently hurting and is not used to running in them they should not immediately transition to running in nothing but flats. That's just asking to make the situation worse.
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http://www.barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu/1WhyConsiderFootStrike.html
http://www.menshealth.com/men/fitness/motivation/longevity/article/3b4b1ca01e91c010VgnVCM10000013281eac
These kinds of foot strikes differ profoundly from heel striking both in terms of how the body is moving and the resulting forces on the body. Most runners who wear standard running shoes usually heel strike, but our research suggests that most barefoot or minimally shod endurance runners forefoot strike and sometimes midfoot strike.
If I understand their research, the connective tissue from your calf to the bottom of your feet and toes gets stretched out while running. And then you land on your heels, applying large amounts of force to said tissue. This would probably would cause the symptoms at the bottom of your feet.
I'd take this advice with a grain of salt, just like I do with eschlow's claims that not eating carbohydrates will prevent inflammation and injury. But then what do I know, those Ethiopians/Kenyans probably are well known for their all meat Paleo diets. My apologies for the last snipe, I'm getting worried that a lot of people these days are being sucked into the latest fads.
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On February 09 2010 07:58 LxRogue wrote:
I looked at plantar fasciitis a bit online, it seems similar to what I'm feeling but not the same. It usually happens more gradually, and gets worse over time. Also, it is supposed to be most painful when you first get up in the morning, but that's not the case for me.
Wearing flats for a long run is a dumb suggestion, I have decent cross training shoes.
If it feels better in a couple of days, I guess I can assume I just strained a muscle or something. Otherwise, i'll probably get an x-ray.
It doesn't feel bruised or painful when I'm sitting or standing, but when I walk, I get a sharp pain towards the back of my arch. I don't notice any swelling or redness either.
Right.
http://www.drjimbyers.com/custom_content/31677_plantar_fasciitis.html
Based on the limited information you gave, the aggravation of the plantar fascia connection into the calcaneal tuberosity is what you have.
It's the START of potential PF or bone spurring as I said. But not the actual condition. However, it will devolve into such if you don't let it heal.
I'm not really sure why I'm arguing with you though so shrug.
On February 09 2010 08:04 igotmyown wrote:http://www.barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu/1WhyConsiderFootStrike.htmlhttp://www.menshealth.com/men/fitness/motivation/longevity/article/3b4b1ca01e91c010VgnVCM10000013281eacShow nested quote +These kinds of foot strikes differ profoundly from heel striking both in terms of how the body is moving and the resulting forces on the body. Most runners who wear standard running shoes usually heel strike, but our research suggests that most barefoot or minimally shod endurance runners forefoot strike and sometimes midfoot strike. If I understand their research, the connective tissue from your calf to the bottom of your feet and toes gets stretched out while running. And then you land on your heels, applying large amounts of force to said tissue. This would probably would cause the symptoms at the bottom of your feet. I'd take this advice with a grain of salt, just like I do with eschlow's claims that not eating carbohydrates will prevent inflammation and injury. But then what do I know, those Ethiopians/Kenyans probably are well known for their all meat Paleo diets. My apologies for the last snipe, I'm getting worried that a lot of people these days are being sucked into the latest fads.
First, I never said anything like that at all.
Second, considering I've been eating/living like this WAAAY before these articles are coming out in the newspaper I'm pretty sure I'm not following a "fad." If anything, the fad is following me (or rather us the community that has been around before this stuff has been coming out (via Cordain, Robb Wolf, etc.).
Anyway, I'm done here. If people don't want my advice I'll just stop posting in blogs.
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you can have a stress fracture that doesnt hurt when its not being used...i've had one
see a doctor and get an xray taken, gl
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http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_5/191.shtml#body
It might be a plantar fascilitis injury, those are pretty common (i'm on the school track team, run 7 ish miles a day, I've had them myself and have seen a fair share of injuries) so you might want to take a look at that page. It might be possible that you have flat feet and your arch pain is a symptom of that, in which case you may need some specialty running shoes.
Get some ice and ice your arches where it's painful.
Also, you should go to a local running specialty store (not sports authority!) and get a quality pair of running shoes. Yes, Kenyans and Ethiopians do not wear shoes normally, but they grew up not wearing shoes and a lot of times do not run on hard concrete/asphalt. We, on the other hand, have grown up wearing shoes and as such the little muscles in our feet are not as strong and can't take the pounding. Shoeless running is not for everyone, it takes a lot of time to work into it.
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You have a broken finger.
Stop touching your foot...
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