EPTIs this TA out of line here? - Page 6
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kyzers0ze
Singapore1073 Posts
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
sigh How the fuck can you rant about the TA when you were the one jankin around? "oh noes he touched my laptop IM SO FUCKING PISSED" Seriously wtf? EDIT: unless laptop = your dick or something i'm missing.. | ||
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
Other people are using facebook and aim gives you no right to act like a petulant brat. I'm in India now, and like other asian countries, students wouldnt dream of disrespecting a teacher like that. Which is why they don't have a fail education system. | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
On January 22 2010 14:20 DeathSpank wrote: op is a douchecanoe and his ta is a fagbar While I don't agree with the sentiment I admit the terminology used is..flawless. | ||
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Blyf
Denmark408 Posts
On January 27 2010 10:45 seppolevne wrote: Asking stupid questions after not reading the thread should be bannable. I'm actually a bit confused about this. If I read a post on TL.net, and feel like replying, but see that there are already 8 pages of replies, is it my responsability to read through all the replies before posting a reply to the OP? I quickly saw that the thread was turning into a flamewar by people who thought the OP was out of line, and people who thought the TA was out of line, so I just wanted to utter my opinion on the matter and support the OP. And how is asking what a "TA" is a stupid question? I'm sick and tired of people using abbreviations and acronyms that make their posts hard to read. How the fuck should I know what a TA is? I haven't gone to school in the US. I was figuring maybe teachers assistant, but I didn't know for sure, and I didn't think it fit with the rest of the OP. On January 27 2010 23:13 FieryBalrog wrote: Do you know why people in other countries get ahead in education? Its because not only do American/Western students not pay attention, but they also think its their fucking privilege to do so. Its now a God-given right to come to class and do whatever the fuck they please. Despite having universal schooling and a lot of people going to college. Other people are using facebook and aim gives you no right to act like a petulant brat. I'm in India now, and like other asian countries, students wouldnt dream of disrespecting a teacher like that. Which is why they don't have a fail education system. What the fuck? Disrespecting a teacher? I'm glad I come from a country where teacher and student are equal. And yes, it is my god damn privilige to do whatever I please during a lecture, as long as I am not disturbing. It is my responsability to pass the exams, and the lectures are a mere service offered to me. I don't owe the teacher anything. If anything the teacher and owes me a proper lecture, which unfortunately is too rarely the case. He's the one getting paid. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On January 27 2010 23:54 Blyf wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2010 10:45 seppolevne wrote: Asking stupid questions after not reading the thread should be bannable. I'm actually a bit confused about this. If I read a post on TL.net, and feel like replying, but see that there are already 8 pages of replies, is it my responsability to read through all the replies before posting a reply to the OP? I quickly saw that the thread was turning into a flamewar by people who thought the OP was out of line, and people who thought the TA was out of line, so I just wanted to utter my opinion on the matter and support the OP. And how is asking what a "TA" is a stupid question? I'm sick and tired of people using abbreviations and acronyms that make their posts hard to read. How the fuck should I know what a TA is? I haven't gone to school in the US. I was figuring maybe teachers assistant, but I didn't know for sure, and I didn't think it fit with the rest of the OP. On January 27 2010 23:13 FieryBalrog wrote: Do you know why people in other countries get ahead in education? Its because not only do American/Western students not pay attention, but they also think its their fucking privilege to do so. Its now a God-given right to come to class and do whatever the fuck they please. Despite having universal schooling and a lot of people going to college. Other people are using facebook and aim gives you no right to act like a petulant brat. I'm in India now, and like other asian countries, students wouldnt dream of disrespecting a teacher like that. Which is why they don't have a fail education system. What the fuck? Disrespecting a teacher? I'm glad I come from a country where teacher and student are equal. And yes, it is my god damn privilige to do whatever I please during a lecture, as long as I am not disturbing. It is my responsability to pass the exams, and the lectures are a mere service offered to me. I don't owe the teacher anything. If anything the teacher and owes me a proper lecture, which unfortunately is too rarely the case. He's the one getting paid. No one's saying you're legally obligated to respect anyone. But you're in his classroom, and he asks you to stop doing something that's bothering him. You could make a big scene and throw a fit, like the op, or you could... I dunno, stop doing it? I'm glad I come from a country with manners. | ||
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
On January 28 2010 00:55 starfries wrote: wrong. depending on how you look at it the classroom belongs to either the institution or the student because he is the one paying for the service, but not to the teacher and even less to the teacher assistant.No one's saying you're legally obligated to respect anyone. But you're in his classroom, On January 28 2010 00:55 starfries wrote: wrong again. the teacher didnt ask for anything. the teacher assistant did, but it has not been outlined why exactly anything the student does is of concern to the TA at all unless the student is disturbing the learning process of other students, is breaking the law or the regulations of that particular school. as far as it has been outlined in this thread none of this was the case. and even if it was it is still dubious at best where he was taking the authority to shut down other peoples computer/mingle with their property from.and he asks you to stop doing something that's bothering him. the op wasnt the nicest person, but between not being nice and crossing ones authority is a pretty big difference. so here is your chance to underline your argument better, or withdraw from your position. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On January 28 2010 02:26 enzym wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On January 28 2010 00:55 starfries wrote: wrong. depending on how you look at it the classroom belongs to either the institution or the student because he is the one paying for the service, but not to the teacher and even less to the teacher assistant.No one's saying you're legally obligated to respect anyone. But you're in his classroom, On January 28 2010 00:55 starfries wrote: wrong again. the teacher didnt ask for anything. the teacher assistant did, but it has not been outlined why exactly anything the student does is of concern to the TA at all unless the student is disturbing the learning process of other students, is breaking the law or the regulations of that particular school. as far as it has been outlined in this thread none of this was the case. and even if it was it is still dubious at best where he was taking the authority to shut down other peoples computer/mingle with their property from.and he asks you to stop doing something that's bothering him. the op wasnt the nicest person, but between not being nice and crossing ones authority is a pretty big difference. so here is your chance to underline your argument better, or withdraw from your position. ... I'll respond to this against my better judgment that thinks you are being intentionally obtuse. I'm really not sure how you managed to miss the whole point while latching onto several details. I know what a TA is. I also know that the person teaching is called a "professor", not a teacher. I know that they do not have any legal authority to tell you what to do, in the classroom or outside. In fact, that was kind of my point. I realize that the "teacher" and the TA do not legally own the classroom (come on, is that seriously one of your arguments?). My point is that if someone asks you to stop doing something, then consider stopping it. It's not an infringement of your rights. It's not a court order. It's a request. If the guy sitting next to me asked me to stop playing poker, I would probably stop. I'm not saying the TA was right to slam his computer shut (he wasn't), but it didn't need to get to that point. There wasn't any reason to play poker during class - why not just humour the TA and pay attention? I suppose I should offer you a chance for rebuttal but frankly I was unimpressed with your original argument and reading skills and I'm not particularly interested in anything else you have to add. | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On January 27 2010 23:54 Blyf wrote: What the fuck? Disrespecting a teacher? I'm glad I come from a country where teacher and student are equal. And yes, it is my god damn privilige to do whatever I please during a lecture, as long as I am not disturbing. It is my responsability to pass the exams, and the lectures are a mere service offered to me. I don't owe the teacher anything. If anything the teacher and owes me a proper lecture, which unfortunately is too rarely the case. He's the one getting paid. Wow.. It's your privilege to get to attend a University. This isn't about what you can or can't do, it's about being not a douchebag. It's my privilege to buy food, so since I paid for it, I can do whatever i damn well please with it. So i might as well just buy tens of thousands of dollars worth of food and just throw it away. Or just let it rot. Sure it's your right to do so but that doesnt make it any less of a dick move. | ||
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Blyf
Denmark408 Posts
On January 28 2010 03:13 Xenocide_Knight wrote: Wow.. It's your privilege to get to attend a University. This isn't about what you can or can't do, it's about being not a douchebag. It's my privilege to buy food, so since I paid for it, I can do whatever i damn well please with it. So i might as well just buy tens of thousands of dollars worth of food and just throw it away. Or just let it rot. Sure it's your right to do so but that doesnt make it any less of a dick move. Given the current state of economical crisis, I think that many people would actually appreciate your initiative to spend instead of saving. And playing poker during a lecture is not a dick move, if you sit in the back and don't disturb anyone. | ||
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Blyf
Denmark408 Posts
On January 28 2010 02:45 starfries wrote: ... I'll respond to this against my better judgment that thinks you are being intentionally obtuse. I'm really not sure how you managed to miss the whole point while latching onto several details. I know what a TA is. I also know that the person teaching is called a "professor", not a teacher. I know that they do not have any legal authority to tell you what to do, in the classroom or outside. In fact, that was kind of my point. I realize that the "teacher" and the TA do not legally own the classroom (come on, is that seriously one of your arguments?). My point is that if someone asks you to stop doing something, then consider stopping it. It's not an infringement of your rights. It's not a court order. It's a request. If the guy sitting next to me asked me to stop playing poker, I would probably stop. I'm not saying the TA was right to slam his computer shut (he wasn't), but it didn't need to get to that point. There wasn't any reason to play poker during class - why not just humour the TA and pay attention? I suppose I should offer you a chance for rebuttal but frankly I was unimpressed with your original argument and reading skills and I'm not particularly interested in anything else you have to add. Starfries, you sound like a very reasonable guy, and your argument of avoiding a conflict by humuoring the TA is perfectly alright. But I can also imagine how I would feel if someone shut down my computer in the middle of a poker hand. Not happy. Ofcourse you could make an effort to avoid conflict, but when discussing whether the OP was out of line or not, I'm gonna have to part with the OP. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
Honestly though, it is a bit of a piss off when people aren't paying attention and are just playing games of facebook or whatever. I just think 'why are you even here?' Both people in the story were overreacting, the difference is that only one of them will be affected by it. Not to mention using school bandwidth and wi-fi to play poker in class is almost as douche as it gets lol. | ||
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MisteR
Netherlands595 Posts
If college would actually be a place where working with and learning science would have the highest priority, a place where students learn while researching and professors teach while working, then there would be reason to consider studying a privilege. As it stands now, it is merely an annoying, and expensive, prerequisite for the better jobs in our society. | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On January 28 2010 06:16 Blyf wrote: And playing poker during a lecture is not a dick move, if you sit in the back and don't disturb anyone. No, but you have to draw the line somewhere. Just because the OP didn't think that he crossed the line as he saw it didn't mean that he should be a dick about it when the TA thought that he had crossed the line. And yes the instructor is always an authority in issues like this. If you go to an Aerobics class and instead of listening to the instructors you lie down to sleep with music in your ears and the instructor walks over to you, removes the earbuds and asks you to leave. Has the instructor then overstepped his boundary since he touches your stuff? And do you really have right to sleep there even though none complained and you have paid for the class anyway? No, of course not. The thing is that the instructor has the responsibility that the class goes along properly. If he thinks that you is a disturbance then he have an obligation to ask you to stop or within limits try to make you stop and anyone following his class should respect that. The biggest flaw with western schooling is that students thinks that they can do whatever they want and get away with it. If I during one of my classes asked a student to stop doing something with his computer I would never dream of getting the response the OP gave the TA and I am glad that I have had mostly respectful students. On January 28 2010 06:29 MisteR wrote: It's nice and all to consider education a privilege, and in theory it should be, but in practice it isn't. Nine out of ten professors are not fit to give a lecture. More often then not the "lecture" is merely a rehash of what is already provided by other sources, in certain cases it is even required to know the contents of the lecture before actually hearing it. What actually is going on in the class is not education at all, but a way for most professors to get their money so they can continue their research, and for most students a way to get their grade. Is it not obvious then that both the student and the professor will not put any more effort in it than strictly necessarily? If college would actually be a place where working with and learning science would have the highest priority, a place where students learn while researching and professors teach while working, then there would be reason to consider studying a privilege. As it stands now, it is merely an annoying, and expensive, prerequisite for the better jobs in our society. I assume you study social science. Also it is not just one instructor and one student, it is one instructor and many, many students. It is his obligation to make those who wants to listen to him able to do so as well as possible. If he thinks that any of the students are just being in the way then he should do something about it. If you think that it is all a fad, why even go to class, why not just do the assignments and pass the tests? And when you go to class, sleep or something, if being there is mandatory then of course it should also be mandatory to listen or the whole requirement is useless. | ||
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keepITup
251 Posts
if the notes required to pass the test are online, there is no reason to go (this is often the case). BUT, for some odd reason professors still use pop quizzes to force students to always attend class for no reason other than so they aren't shafted out of valuable points. however, i rarely have ever busted out my laptop or PSP during lecture -- i just feel vulnerable for some reason (as if I'll offend the teacher or miss some random piece of crucial information). as for the OP's case, instead of insulting the TA you really should of just complained about paying thousands of dollars for something that you could learn on wikipedia in a few days. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On January 28 2010 06:20 Blyf wrote: Starfries, you sound like a very reasonable guy, and your argument of avoiding a conflict by humuoring the TA is perfectly alright. But I can also imagine how I would feel if someone shut down my computer in the middle of a poker hand. Not happy. Ofcourse you could make an effort to avoid conflict, but when discussing whether the OP was out of line or not, I'm gonna have to part with the OP. Maybe this is why there's such a big debate. You are addressing the issue of: TA slams your computer in your face, OP tells to fuck off in so many words. I agree the TA is an asshole here. I would probably say something similar to him. I'm considering what happened before: TA tells OP to stop playing poker, OP basically says something to the effect of "it's a free country, make me". In this case the OP is being an asshole. If I was the TA I would be pissed too. I'm placing the blame on the OP for "starting" it, so to speak. But I'm willing to concede that this entire debate over "who was right" is pretty retarded when they both were wrong. I really feel sorry for divorce lawyers. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28525 Posts
"he touched it but it belongs to me!! waah" if he broke it, be as pissed as you can be, but how are you actually influenced by him closing your laptop other than you folding a hand you said you were probably going to fold? nothing harmful happened. this isn't a situation where there's any point in "fighting the man" because he's hardly even inconveniencing you.. if they don't want you to play poker during the lecture then stop playing poker during the lecture or spend your time somewhere else, like you said, the professor doesn't even care if you attend class and obviously you don't really care if you attend class either. | ||
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