I'll Make Your Micro Map - Page 2

On January 05 2010 15:52 CharlieMurphy wrote:
I've always wanted a micro map that dealt with the critical timing moments for certain strategy counters.

So like; 5pool vs those first warping canons and probes, zergling runby on FE vs first probes/zeal/canons, hydra range and break vs protoss FE (canon/zeal/probes), terran MnM/tank/vessel vs ling lurker/sunken while defiler and swarm is on its way, First Medics and stim run by vs morphing sunken- ling/drone, etc. etc.

On January 05 2010 15:26 ShinyGerbil wrote:
I've been thinking about Megalisk's idea for a long time now, and I think it can be extended to other matchups as well. Basically, every single game you get to practice your split, but how many games (especially on the cheese-fest known as iCCup) get to the 20 minute mark with no significant advantage on either side, leading to a game-deciding late game? For people who want to practice this, the map could be set up as the most standard openings for both sides and assuming they both played equally well.

e.g. ZvT, zerg has 3 bases, hive tech, +1 carapace, and a smallish lurker-ling defiler army. terran has 2 bases, 4 tanks, 2 vessels, a handful of m&m and +2 upgrades. or something like that. Basically, the intensity begins from the start, as opposed to 15 minutes into the game :D

On January 05 2010 17:00 Zoler wrote:


If you wanna play like that just ask anyone for games without cheese and just standard play. works fine

On January 05 2010 16:16 thopol wrote:

This is really brilliant. I second this idea.

I'm really not sure how it would be implemented but it would be a phenomenal asset.

EDIT: I don't want to discount how sweet many of the other ideas here are though. I'd be happy to see most of this stuff.

old times sake wrote:
Some of this can't be done. Triggers can't tell if you pull off an EMP. If the toss gets units into the base, or the arb dies, both of these can be detected. What base do you have in mind, and what are they pushing against? Are you talking about the toss and terran both starting with established bases (whiich reset) and the goal of the toss is to get X units inside the T base, the goal of the terran is to reach the protoss base without this occuring and/or kill the arbiter(s)? If so, show me what base/buildings you want (a rep, an illustration, a vod, etc.)

On January 06 2010 15:05 caldo149 wrote:
I think Fighting Spirit would be a good map to do this on if you can, otherwise make up one similar if you have to. The bases should be established already and the map resets. Terran with 3 bases and Toss with 4 bases. The Terran wants to reach a Protss base, either 3rd, 4th, or natural. Terran wins once a Nexus is destroyed. The AI Protoss will have units to stall the push and will try to recall into the base. Once the recall happens, a timer is set and if the Terran doesn't clear the Protoss units from his base or doesn't destroy a nexus before the timer runs out, Terran loses and the scenario resets.

Try making the Arbiter a hallucination and have it move into the Terran base. When it reaches a location have the map just spawn the units including a real Arbiter to replace the fake one for the cloaking effect. If that can't work, Use the hero Arbiter with adjusted stats so it has 1HP and the rest in shield (still adds up to same total as real Arbiter) so the Arbiter is easy to kill after an EMP, and the trigger can just be the death of an Arbiter. Stopping a recall should give a benefit but i'm not sure what...
The player should start out with a sizable force but still has to macro as normal with 8 factories. Toss should be creating units as well to reinforce at the normal rate of construction.

On January 06 2010 16:10 old times sake wrote:

You mean an AI computer trying to stall the push and recall inside the Terran's base? That's going to be near impossible. I thought you meant a human protoss player. Even if you could systematically describe what the Arbiter/toss push units should do, SC's trigger system is really too limited to execute things like that because we lack things like -targetting a specific unit, -identifying units based on their relative location to other units or their hp or the fact that they are being shot -a "move in a straight line away from this other unit" type command. etc. I can make units fight but making an Arbiter find a good place to recall through a kind of trial and error, or making toss push try to stall the other player, would be almost impossible. Unless you mean human players or some much simpler behavior then this is out.

edit: If you just mean the Arbiter runs to 1 specific point, then okay. That's a good idea using EMP/hallucination. Triggers can't detect hallucinations but hallucinations can still rescue units so I could make the beacon rescuable (and if the T player rescues it by mistake then it becomes rescuable again and again). But a single beacon is still complicated unless you want the Arb to just run straight to it no matter what and the toss units all attack forward.

On January 06 2010 17:20 caldo149 wrote:


For an AI Protoss, I was just thinking that the Arbiter would attempt to recall in a specific location. If you could make it choose between a couple locations, (each time you play it picks a different one) that would be ideal. Recall at T's Factories or Recall at T's 3rd base for example. The AI Protoss army would just be really big, i guess it might have to have units spawn a little bit faster than normal, macro to compensate for bad micro. Just have units ready to fight the Terran's push, nothing fancy.

If it's too impossible to make the AI work then just make it so a human player controls the Protoss.

Overall I think the way it should work is that there's a timer at the start and the Terran has to destroy a Nexus before the timer runs out. Timer runs out means Protoss wins. Stopping a Recall adds more time. Recalls should happen periodically by the AI, or it would be up to the human Protoss player to decide when to recall or stasis or whatever. A successful recall sets the timer to a specific lower value, and then if the Recall is defended (all Toss units in base destroyed) then the clock resets to the original starting time.