• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 01:38
CET 07:38
KST 15:38
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4) BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced
Tourneys
RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! Tenacious Turtle Tussle 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft2.fi 15th Anniversary Cup
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months [BSL21] RO8 Bracket & Prediction Contest BW General Discussion FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO8 - Day 2 - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO8 - Day 1 - Saturday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Fighting Spirit mining rates Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV The 2048 Game Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
How Sleep Deprivation Affect…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1444 users

Starcraft = Bagpipes

Blogs > bumatlarge
Post a Reply
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 14 2009 07:57 GMT
#1
Exactly.

Let me shed some light.
The notes on the pipes are limited, but the amount of possiblities (as with all music) is endless. The mechanics of learning the bagpipes are in steps: the finger movement and control of the pipes airflow. Anyone who has played a brass/woodwind instrument (I've been playing the Alto sax for 10 years about) can appreciate the dexterity and memorization required to play even a recorder. Lets associate this with micro perhaps, albeit it might encompass the strategy and tactics too found in SC. The speed and precision at which you play has no limit. Sound familiar? Skill ceiling mother ******. Let me give you an example of one of the lesser known but amazingly difficult song > hellbound train.


When watching this, pay close attention to the fingers as the song progressively gets more complex. Notice how the song doesnt sound quite right and there are mistakes aplenty, but you get the gist that these fellas aren't to shabby. Also, the practice chanter they use are not meant to sound pretty. As their name implies, they are meant for practice for the real thing.

Now lets go to progamer status of our piping pals.

Mute the first video, and watch the fingers while listening to this one. Please refrain from soiling your pants.
Easily 500 apm no question, and these guys dont have their build orders right in front of them. Reminds me of something.....

Always a specific purpose to their movements.

Lets move on!
Time to learn how to macro with your bagpipes. That would best be related to the airflow required. Bagpipes are known for being loud. How else would the sobering sound get its reputation of ringing through scotland, forcing the lone tear to make its way down the warriors cheek.

I don't play bagpipes, but I tried, oh lord, I tried. The amount of breath required to set it in motion is phenomenal. You blow the air in, and push out through the reed and form the sound through the chanter part to form our melodies. The reed alone requires you to force a ridiculous amount of air to produce the wail. BUT THATS NOT ALL. The drones (teehee) need to perform the part of the chilling chords that create the piping environment. Besides the obvious drone pun, we can totally relate this constant supply of sound to the economy maniacs in our very own SC. The game and the pipes are completely controlled by these elements and guide it on the path the user wants to use.

Here. Get yourself acquainted with our very loud friends.


Now that, coupled with the reed and chanter, create the mystical noise.

Ok I know, you skeptical ****** think it sounds awful or something, and I admit, it is a very aquired taste. Doesn't that sort of make this SC parent sort of similar? There are some obvious flaws in my lttle comparison, but I hope you catch my drift here. I can't say I love Pipes as much as SC, but this instrument has provoked emotions only my grandad can explain.

There can be more to explain and compare so give me your thoughts.

BONUS: Here is me cousin absolutely beasting on the pipes.


***
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Sigi
Profile Joined August 2009
United States243 Posts
December 14 2009 08:18 GMT
#2
I found this really interesting, but is there a competitive part of bagpipes like there is in SC?


prOxi.swAMi
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3091 Posts
December 14 2009 08:23 GMT
#3
Can't this argument be made for most instruments?
Oh no
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 14 2009 08:26 GMT
#4
On December 14 2009 17:18 Sigi wrote:
I found this really interesting, but is there a competitive part of bagpipes like there is in SC?




Hoho! Glad you asked! There are events and tournements held EVERYWHERE. Celtic Fest are where it is at, and can muster over a thousand pipers competing in front of judges in pursuit of perfection.

They travel hours to meet in locations and its a great experience if you develop i liking for the pipes and the sound in general. I must say im spoiled living in NYC with St. Patty's parade and fests happening all over the place.

If you haven't practiced for hours on end everyday, you'll never aspire to be the piper that win these sorts of things. Does Bagpipe have competition? HAHAHA I think bagpipes should be asking starcraft if it has any competition. (dont to sound obnoxious just proving a point.)
Together but separate, like oatmeal
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 14 2009 08:29 GMT
#5
On December 14 2009 17:23 prOxi.swAMi wrote:
Can't this argument be made for most instruments?


I've tried my hand at "most instruments"
Saying this to me is like saying "Can't the same be said for most video games?" Although obviously there are the instruments that require the same levels such as the violin and what not. Bagpipes just struck me as the perfect candidate for an SC comparison.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
December 14 2009 08:41 GMT
#6
On December 14 2009 17:29 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2009 17:23 prOxi.swAMi wrote:
Can't this argument be made for most instruments?


I've tried my hand at "most instruments"
Saying this to me is like saying "Can't the same be said for most video games?" Although obviously there are the instruments that require the same levels such as the violin and what not. Bagpipes just struck me as the perfect candidate for an SC comparison.


lol cool blog, i quite like the bagpipes sound, been to edinburgh a few times

lol what instruments are too 'crap' to be able to be comparable to the bagpipes (and violins as you said)?
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 14 2009 08:48 GMT
#7
On December 14 2009 17:41 alffla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2009 17:29 bumatlarge wrote:
On December 14 2009 17:23 prOxi.swAMi wrote:
Can't this argument be made for most instruments?


I've tried my hand at "most instruments"
Saying this to me is like saying "Can't the same be said for most video games?" Although obviously there are the instruments that require the same levels such as the violin and what not. Bagpipes just struck me as the perfect candidate for an SC comparison.


lol cool blog, i quite like the bagpipes sound, been to edinburgh a few times

lol what instruments are too 'crap' to be able to be comparable to the bagpipes (and violins as you said)?


THE TRIANGLE heh no some are just strikingly easy to pickup and just start playing within a week at a decent level. I know you want me to say guitar or piano so you can say "HA IDIOT THOSE CAN GET INCREDIBLY COMPLICATED" but the truth is bad player can pass off to the great majority as decent. Dont get me wrong, piano and guitar musicians are probably some of the most talented. But I can assure you every person you hear play the bagpipes were you can distinguish a song out of has spent days on end grueling over getting the notes out. Everyone and their mom can play chords on these instruments.

FYI: I have taught myself to play both the guitar and the piano, and I dont consider myself good at them on any level.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
December 14 2009 17:15 GMT
#8
Piano is much harder to pick up and learn then the guitar is. Piano relates more to hands and "apm" then the bagpipes would, too. None the less is still a cool blog.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
December 14 2009 17:23 GMT
#9
Last time I went to the Philly folk festival I saw this one rock band from Canada that had this absolutely sick bag pipe player who played with them. I prejudged it as a slow and limited instrument, but this guy was really rocking out on it. Very cool blog.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 14 2009 21:26 GMT
#10
On December 15 2009 02:15 tonight wrote:
Piano is much harder to pick up and learn then the guitar is. Piano relates more to hands and "apm" then the bagpipes would, too. None the less is still a cool blog.


I must respectfully disagree here. As you may notice, the bagpipe neer stops making noise, so it can never really have space, but some clever guy decided "grace notes would accomplish the same thing. Grace notes are played to create space and rhythm in the song. Instead, we simply play a higher or lower note than the note held, and it gives it depth.

Listen closely!

How otherwise could they play that one part then the method above?

NOW go back to hellbound train song and listen closely for the millions of grace notes played in it. Once you hear it, you'd have to admit this is at least the equivalent of bach going nuts on the organ.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 22m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft740
RuFF_SC2 183
trigger 38
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 3722
Shuttle 210
Noble 41
Bale 33
ZergMaN 30
Icarus 8
League of Legends
JimRising 697
C9.Mang0247
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor117
Other Games
summit1g8363
hungrybox165
Mew2King67
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1089
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH102
• practicex 33
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1751
• Lourlo1296
• HappyZerGling103
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
2h 22m
Wardi Open
5h 22m
Monday Night Weeklies
10h 22m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 3h
OSC
2 days
YoungYakov vs Mixu
ForJumy vs TBD
Percival vs TBD
Shameless vs TBD
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
OSC
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
SC Evo League
5 days
[ Show More ]
BSL 21
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
BSL 21
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.