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LuMiX
China5758 Posts
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WeSt
Portugal918 Posts
9 pool (without speed), send your 9th drone to check the upper and down part of the map (depending on your starting position) to check for proxy. If it is not proxy make gas trick and get one more drone (this way the protoss will count 9 drones and think it is a normal 9 pool) and send the scouting drone to mine out his back mineral. Harrass his main etc. Go 3 hat spire scourge 5 hat hydra. Once you get both hydra upgs make your 4th and 5th at the same time. Your lurk upgrade should finish soon. I usually defend my 4th with 3 sunks and 1 spore and some lurks. Defend both your nat and 3rd with the same lurks and few sunks. Yes, you will have to be moving your lurker position depending where is is attacking. Drop, and try to be everywhere. The map is big but you can get to his 4th pretty fast with ling defiler while droping. GL. | ||
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Shiva_Chandra
Denmark341 Posts
All about practice ! | ||
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Entertaining
Canada793 Posts
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
On December 06 2009 08:28 iamho wrote: hbr zvp is not good for defensive macro play, yeah you can defend 4 gas with 3 chokes but on most 3/4 player maps you can defend it with 2. hbr is mainly just good for aggressive contains with lurkers/hydras since you need map control to expand. lol you are clueless, its perfectly suited for defensive macro play (and by defensive I mean take your 4th as soon as you gain map control and then start defending, and you will get some form of map control regardless with what you open with be it mutas, lurkers, hydras etc unless you take some serious damage early on). Its not 3 places you need to defend (unless you are talking about the new one witch nobody plays yet) its 2 spots the ridge covers both entrances to that spot and you can defend 5 bases with 4 gases from 2 spots that is HUGE. You will get early map control pretty much regardless what you open up with, and once you take the expos you start making mass lurkers to hold the 2 spots while you wait for 5base eco to kick in and roll them with ultra\ling\defiler and abuse drops and your greater mobility. If they can`t break any of your 2 choke points within the time you get ultra you should pretty much never lose on hbr. | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
On December 06 2009 06:16 yes9111 wrote: same here. strangely zvp is my worst matchup. The 5 hatch hydra shit isn't working for me when storms kill like 5000 hydras =(. i guess I need to practice muta sniping.. Or maybe you just suck at stormdodgeing. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
On December 06 2009 09:15 LuckyFool wrote: everything about hbr is retarded and fock. nothing works right on that map and its way imba for P in PvT. hahah this blog reminded me of all your blogs about the shit terran has to deal with, which I totally agree with. | ||
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aeroH
United States1034 Posts
On December 06 2009 08:29 Metal[x] wrote: I managed to lose a 1 hr long ZvP only because I couldn't secure the top left gas base and the toss took it from me. So it turned out half map vs half map. I won all the ground battles once ultras were out and we had a full psi vs full psi fight and won that. But it ended up neither one of us attacked after a certain point and he just fucking mass cannon + reaver + templar and went sair/carrier T_T fuck me haha reeeeeeepllllaaaayyy? | ||
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StimD
Norway738 Posts
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aeroH
United States1034 Posts
it's your map. EDIT : + Show Spoiler + HOLY SHIT IM A DRAGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wait, that mean's i'm fat and retarded? :O | ||
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DeathByMonkeys
United States742 Posts
On December 06 2009 06:31 Monstah-_- wrote: If you can't win a ZvP on HBR I feel sorry for you. Us protosses have to work so hard to win when you just 1a2a3a4a5a6sh7sh8sh9sh0sh Lol let the 1a2a3a vs 1a2a3a war begin... As a terran I'll just sit back and watch. | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
On December 06 2009 09:02 Oystein wrote: lol you are clueless, its perfectly suited for defensive macro play (and by defensive I mean take your 4th as soon as you gain map control and then start defending, and you will get some form of map control regardless with what you open with be it mutas, lurkers, hydras etc unless you take some serious damage early on). Its not 3 places you need to defend (unless you are talking about the new one witch nobody plays yet) its 2 spots the ridge covers both entrances to that spot and you can defend 5 bases with 4 gases from 2 spots that is HUGE. You will get early map control pretty much regardless what you open up with, and once you take the expos you start making mass lurkers to hold the 2 spots while you wait for 5base eco to kick in and roll them with ultra\ling\defiler and abuse drops and your greater mobility. If they can`t break any of your 2 choke points within the time you get ultra you should pretty much never lose on hbr. r u for rela? you can pretty much defend 4 gas on every map with 2 choke points if you let the zerg play both defensively and have map control at the same time then the problem is you, not the imbalance | ||
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
On December 06 2009 10:48 iamho wrote: r u for rela? you can pretty much defend 4 gas on every map with 2 choke points if you let the zerg play both defensively and have map control at the same time then the problem is you, not the imbalance Getting 5 bases on 2 choke points with one of them being at a high ground advantage is NOT common lol. Only kind of maps that happens are at special ones like Blue Storm or Andromeda, on normal map you can get 4 bases from 2 chokes but you never get a high ground advantage and a min only on the trade. If you fail to comprehend how big advantage having high ground is in BW I guess there is no sense discussing with you anymore. | ||
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
I can't say I'm a fan, but it does produce some cool games. | ||
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Wonders
Australia753 Posts
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DyEnasTy
United States3721 Posts
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LuMiX
China5758 Posts
http://repdepot.net/download.php?type=rep&id=25805&name=TSL-Princess vs G4i.Grief.rep i suck i know... | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28908 Posts
I played that game yesterday and it does a pretty good job at showing how to abuse lurkers and defilers on hbr. first 14 minutes pretty irrelevant so you can fast forward through that. | ||
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