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Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
December 03 2009 22:29 GMT
#21
On December 04 2009 07:15 Manit0u wrote:
To answer some questions:

Nighthound is good hero, it's just people who pick him in pubs usually have no clue how to play him (and just hope for other team failing at countering him). His only downside is his frality which (just like with scout and others) when faced by a team that knows how to counter him (i. e. buys wards/dust etc.) turns him into a feeder or at best useless hero who needs to retreat after 2-3 hits.

@Wala.Revolution: If playernames are greyed-out and they have HoN logo next to them then indeed they are currently playing a game.


Though I've only played in pubs, I find him a fun hero (I dunno what).

Also I guide I read cited that he is played in high-level games due to his smoke bomb, and I think I'm fairly not-bad with him.

Had a hard time against a good scout last game;;
Stuck.
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 00:47:21
December 04 2009 00:02 GMT
#22
I still don't understand how you acquire a key. Do you get invited? Do only specific groups have access to them? I feel like I'm the only one who still doesn't have one lolol

edit: Thanks to a very generous TL.member, I just got one, so disregard this. Hopefully will be able to comment on the actual game itself soon!
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
December 04 2009 01:36 GMT
#23
Can you update the warding guide with these images (below)? My wards in the old guide were good for the most part, but some aren't placed optimally, and this newer guide I made is more comprehensive as well as having more precise placement. Just quote, cut n' paste, overwriting the old images. Thanks

+ Show Spoiler +

Q: Kk... Where do I place these glorious wards?
A: At your laziest, you should always cover runespawns. Like so:

[image loading]

(vision of: rune, kongor area, highground on legion side of river)

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(vision of: rune, sliver of highground on legionside, fog-juke spot on hellborne side)

Q: Well, that's boring. What if I'm not being lazy?
A: No one said placing wards was exciting, hehe! If you're not being lazy, you can get aggressive with your wards, like so (note, Aggressive wards become defensive if you place them on "your" side of the river)--

Pull Blocking:
[image loading]

(vision of: neutral camp, sliver of area behind hellborne's top tower)

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(vision of: neutral camp, sliver of legion jungle)

Spotting up ramps:
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(vision of: entire area above ramp, middle river)

Scouting Jungles/forward positions:
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(vision of: northeast corner of hellborne jungle, behind hellborne's second top tower)

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(vision of: behind legion's second top tower, shortcut south of ward that allows easy travel from middle to top and vice versa)

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(vision of: common staging area for ganks/teamfights on hellborne side, sliver of river)

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(vision of: rune, southwest portion of hellborne jungle, common fog/gank area)

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(vision of: southwest portion of legion jungle, behind legion's second bottom tower, common staging area for teamfights on legion side)

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(vision of: behind hellborne's second bottom tower, parts of the area around hellborne's secret shop, part of shortcut from mid to bottom)

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(vision of: center of legion jungle, major staging point for ganks/teamfights)

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(vision of: northeast area of legion's jungle, major staging point for early/mid game ganks)

Q: Uh oh, the other team read this FAQ and has wards. What should I do?
A: Counterward if it's really disrupting your team. Get a ranged hero to buy a Ward of Revelation and plant them at common ward locations, then destroy the offending ward of sight. Scout's Electric Eyes may also be used for this purpose.

Q: Uh oh, the other team read this FAQ and is counterwarding. What should I do?
A: Use alternative ward spots. Your warding shall not be hindered! Here are a few that will spot runes while remaining expensive to find. Many of the alternative ward spots can be used as psuedo aggressive wards.

For Bot:
[image loading]

(vision of: rune, north side of legion jungle, some river)

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(vision of: rune, river, sliver of northeast corner of legion jungle)

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(vision of: rune, kongor area, river)

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(vision of: rune, kongor area, river, hellborne highground)

For Top:
[image loading]

(vision of: rune, river, sliver of hellborne highground, legion's ancient stack area)

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(vision of: rune, river, hellborne highground, sliver of legion highground)

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(vision of: rune, river, sliver of legion highground)

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(vision of: rune, south side of hellborne jungle)

Q: You mentioned that wards can tell you "how many people are defending a tower." How?
A: Simply place a ward behind the offending tower. Like so:

[image loading]

(vision of: whoever is behind the tower, teleports, etc.)

Q: I'm having trouble breaking into my opponent's base. Can wards help?
A: Yes! WARDS ARE THE BEST! Viola:

Hellborne:
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(vision of: Hellborne inbase highground)

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(vision of: Hellborne inbase highground)

Legion:
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(vision of: Legion inbase highground)

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(vision of: Legion inbase highground)
XinRan
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States530 Posts
December 04 2009 03:41 GMT
#24
Is there any gameplay difference at all between HoN and dota?
"To be fair, Kal played like absolute garbage. His noted inconsistency and bad record versus Jaedong high fived into a cacophony of suck." - TwoToneTerran
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
December 04 2009 04:24 GMT
#25
On December 04 2009 12:41 XinRan wrote:
Is there any gameplay difference at all between HoN and dota?


yes
you can't disable the terrain on the minimap (thus making it totally useless for.. say.. me)
everything else is secondary to that one huge fucking issue
and i'm entirely serious
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66161 Posts
December 04 2009 04:29 GMT
#26
i'm... going to stick to DotA
POGGERS
Mekhami
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
90 Posts
December 04 2009 04:38 GMT
#27
On December 04 2009 13:29 konadora wrote:
i'm... going to stick to DotA

HoN > DotA if only because of the stupid server shit you have to deal with on battle.net... every game on HoN is HoN
"Mekhami gave good advice." -Pokebunny, 12/1/2009
ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2294 Posts
December 04 2009 07:24 GMT
#28
On December 04 2009 07:02 Crucifix wrote:


Anyways, how can You say You're into DotA and against HoN? Come on, god damn it, HoN is like SC2 and DotA is SC:BW, if You like DotA you need to love HoN :<


I love SC:BW but I never liked dotA or HoN.
Terran in particular is a notoriously strong race for a no brain skillhand bot style.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 07:30:42
December 04 2009 07:30 GMT
#29
After playing hon for a few days my friends who are mass dota players will never go back because they finally realize the inherent delay in wc3/bnet.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 09:48:24
December 04 2009 09:40 GMT
#30
When will it come out of closed beta? I can't wait to play but it seems every time I look it's still in closed beta with no news on when it will be open.

EDIT: In response to post below:

The homepage still says its in closed beta when you click on "Play Beta", and theres an option to sign up for an email notification when it goes to open. But if I can get it please do let me know how xD
ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2294 Posts
December 04 2009 09:41 GMT
#31
On December 04 2009 18:40 Kickstart wrote:
When will it come out of closed beta? I can't wait to play but it seems every time I look it's still in closed beta with no news on when it will be open.

beta? I thought this game was out already cause Ive seen people play it at LANs all the time....
Terran in particular is a notoriously strong race for a no brain skillhand bot style.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 04 2009 10:04 GMT
#32
I was also wondering what the difference between HoN and dota are. I have been playing LoL (wanted to play HoN, but it's in closed atm ) and while it is like dota, I still think I prefer dota to it. From what I have seen HoN is more similar to dota that LoL is, just wondering what people who have played all of them think.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17255 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 11:03:36
December 04 2009 10:44 GMT
#33
On December 04 2009 19:04 Kickstart wrote:
I was also wondering what the difference between HoN and dota are. I have been playing LoL (wanted to play HoN, but it's in closed atm ) and while it is like dota, I still think I prefer dota to it. From what I have seen HoN is more similar to dota that LoL is, just wondering what people who have played all of them think.


I've taken part in DotA tournament recently. My first game of DotA in a couple months. All I can say is it looked ugly, felt really slow and unresponsive (yes, on LAN). Basically, DotA is uglier HoN in slow-motion.

@Tadzio: Thanks for the updated pics. I'll put them in their respective place. But you still got 1 ward non-optimal The one to scout Helle jungle, above the mid lane and to the left. Try placing the ward above the monolith there and a bit to the right. Gives you clear vision in all directions: behind woods on the left side of mid lane between helle towers, upper ramp near mid lane, creep camp above top rune, east-most creep camp in Helle west-woods.
At least that's how I always place it

Edit: Updated it. Tell me how it looks now (done some minor editing to preserve the old coherency of your guide).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17255 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 11:48:18
December 04 2009 11:18 GMT
#34
Updated with some info on regen so that beginners will finally know that 134123412312hp/sec regeneration rate is not going to save you if you're being 1-shot killed by enemy.
Also info about rearranging your lanes.

Edit:
My favorite ward locations to prevent ganking/gank yourself.

[image loading]

Gives vision of 3 ramps and a sliver of jungle near east-most helle creepspawn.

[image loading]

Gives vision of 3 ramps, sliver of river, hellebourne river highround if someone is walking there (not always, needs some more testing), sliver of center legio jungle.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
hak
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Sweden768 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 12:31:23
December 04 2009 12:30 GMT
#35
hmm in almost every game i have played so far i've been under the impression that you always go for boots first. cheap regen/stats -> lane til you get steam/ghost marchers -> go get them -> gank/return to lane (situational ofc)

always always boots first. guess im wrong.. but the hero feels slow and crippled without them :/

btw, that ward guide rocks
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
December 04 2009 12:36 GMT
#36
don't let anyone tell you boots first is wrong. for they are wrong. boots first ftw
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17255 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 13:53:22
December 04 2009 13:51 GMT
#37
On December 04 2009 21:36 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:
don't let anyone tell you boots first is wrong. for they are wrong. boots first ftw


Boots first are wrong in so many ways...

Early game primary needs:
- hp for survival
- regen for prolonged staying on a lane
- damage for easier farming

Boots fulfill 0 of this needs. You can always get them later and use chicken to bring them to you.
And that's why you get some cheap +stats items as they give you hp/mana and dmg.

There are heroes who might benefit from boots first (Swiftblade) but for the most part getting them as your first item hinders you more than it helps.

Even check out some of the pro vods. There are guys who don't get boots for the entire game (Magmus prioritizing dagger).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
December 04 2009 20:26 GMT
#38
On December 04 2009 21:36 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:
don't let anyone tell you boots first is wrong. for they are wrong. boots first ftw

ofc you would make a retarded post like this.

Why do you need to run away or chase heroes this early in the game? You don't, get stats which provide mana/life and regen. Get boots after that.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
ChApFoU
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
France2982 Posts
December 08 2009 22:20 GMT
#39
Long time no see teamliquid !!

I don't play SCBW anymore but I've been hooked by HoN. Imho it has everything DotA has + much better playability. Only downside is that pub games are filled with retarded unmannered and frustrated no-life slobs trying hard to display their e-penis at everyone who cares (i.e other slobs)

That being said, if you see me anywhere in a pub game stay away from me too : I suck massively at HoN :p
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper in a genius" Kang Min
magicbullet
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Singapore163 Posts
December 08 2009 23:14 GMT
#40
I think the ideal team compostition is 2/3 carries and the rest support. At the least, it works very well in pubs at 1700 and below.

In the long run we are all dead - J.M. Keynes
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