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[HoN] Beginner's Guide

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Last Edited: 2009-12-04 15:30:38
December 03 2009 19:47 GMT
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Just starting out HoN? No previous experience with DotA? Sucking a lot and trying to improve? This blog is for you!

      Table of Contents:

  1. Introduction
  2. Hero picking
  3. Item builds
  4. Basic tactics



      1. Introduction

If you haven't discovered it just yet, HoN is a team game where your goal is to destroy the opposing team's main building (or just owning them so hard that they give up earlier). In order to do so you must be quick, smart and what's most important - have good teamwork and understanding of the game. You play as a team, you win and lose as a team.
As a beginner, you want to play as many games as possible with as many heroes as possible. Knowing what certain heroes can or can't do is vital to your performance. Also, try to learn the intricacies of the map (Forests of Caldavar) as knowing the right routes, lines of sight at certain spots and stuff like that can save you on more than one occasion.
Advice: Never play EM games. You won't get any experience from them that will be worthy in standard games and you might catch a lot of bad habits.

      2. Hero Picking

Picking a right hero is very important aspect of the game. That's why you must learn as much as you can about them all.

Basically, heroes fall into several categories:
  1. Carry - usually agi or str heroes who specialise in dealing damage (a lot of damage). They're usually being played by the best player on the team as come the lategame they're the ones to carry their entire team to victory (hence the name). You should avoid picking more than 1 carry hero for the team. They require a lot of farming as they're usually rather weak early on and are heavy item dependant to be successful, if you have more than 1 carry, they're gonna steal farm from each other and both end up underleveled/underfarmed which is bad. Also, since they're so weak early on, your team will be on the defensive right off the bat and make it a lot harder for everyone. (Sand Wraith, Moon Queen, Predator, Maliken)
  2. Support - this are usually int heroes. Their primary roles are warding (more on that later), babysitting (i. e. helping carry farm by harassing enemies on lane, healing etc.), disabling enemy heroes, providing buffs etc. they are the heart and soul of the team. They fall into several sub-categories:
    - gankers: heroes who roam the map and ambush enemies (not neccessarily support, carry/initiator heroes make for great gankers too) (Andromeda, Thunderbringer, Puppet Master)
    - pushers: usually healers/buffers and heroes who get some form of minions. They're used to push lanes (Demented Shaman, Ophelia, Defiler)
    - disablers: heroes who disable enemies in various ways (Succubus, Witch Slayer)
    - nukers: guys with big red button that says 'DAMAGE' (Plague Rider, Pyromancer)
    - junglers: heroes who are capable of staying and farming in the woods since the beginning (Leggionaire, Ophelia, Tempest)
    - tanks: guys geared towards surviving huge amounts of damage (Accursed, Armadon)
  3. Initiator - this are specialized heroes used to initiate fights (hence the name). Some common examples include: Andromeda, Legionnaire, Tempest, Kraken, Magmus, Behemoth, Hellbringer


Ideally, a team should consist of:
1 Carry
1 Initiator
3 Support

Think before picking, and stick to your role. If you're a support hero don't steal creeps/kills from a carry, he needs them more than you do. Also, buying wards is a priority for support heroes, it helps the entire team more than you getting your gear.
Observe closely which heroes are being picked for the enemy team and your team. If you're playing with some retards (happens quite often in pubs) who already picked 2 carry heroes, you probably shouldn't pick another one.
Also, try to counter-pick enemy picks, if they're getting a lot of squishy heroes (agi/int) then picking someone with considerate AoE/nuke damage could be a good idea (likewise, it would be bad idea to pick a squishy hero if enemy team gets a lot of AoE/nukes). If you're unsure as to what hero you should pick, then getting some support disabler is your safest bet as disables are always a valuable asset on the team.

Example of good (Legion) and bad (Hellbourne) team picks.
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      3. Item Builds

Not exactly builds, but general guidelines on purchasing items for your hero. This are just to get you started, you'll have to figure out what's working for you best by yourself.

1. Early Game - for early game try to pick up some stats and cheap regen. Stats help you survive and lasthit while regen lets you stay on your lane longer (and thus farm more). Most common items for early game:
Mana Battery - gathers charges as enemy cast spells, can get up to 10 charges, on use heals 15 hp and mana for each charge. Can be later upgraded to Power Supply which gathers charges from wider range and can have up to 15 of them.
Great item for most heroes, I can't keep track of how many times it has saved my life or netted me a kill (short on mana? puff!).
Stat items - pretenders crown, crushing claws etc. to be later transformed into reinforced bracer and other stuff. Very good early game, try to grab a bracer or two on a squishy hero and your survivability instantly imporves.
Logger's Hatchet - the only downside of this item is that it can't be sold. Otherwise it's great for improving your damage versus creeps early on thus making your farming much easier. Staple for most melee heroes.
Shield - helps improve your survivability. Almost all melee agi heroes should aim for Iron Shield as soon as possible, you're going to get harassed heavily on your lane as agi melee and it helps you a lot against enemy pot-shots or random creep attacks.
Bottle - questionable item. I'm not a very big fan of it and I wouldn't advise you to get it as your first item. Sure you're gonna see it a lot but in my opinion it's better to get some stats and regen early on and bottle later. Apart from great heal/mana regen bottle doesn't offer any real help in survivability/lasthitting (2 most important things early on). Note: to use bottle heal you must be clear of danger as any dmg cancels its effect.
Cheap regen - runes of blight, mana potions, healing potions etc. Invaluable in the first couple of minutes.

2. Specialized items - this are the items that let you fulfill your role better and usually cost a hefty fee.
Against casters/nukers - if enemies have a lot of AoE/nukes, then someone on the team should consider getting Barrier Idol. It helps survive the entire team. If enemies have a lot of disables/nukes then getting Shrunken Head is a priority.
Against high physical damage - if enemies do a lot of physical damage, then getting Barbed Mail is a good idea. Not advised for squishy heroes though, you need hp to survive long enough for it to work. Otherwise getting +hp and +armour items is in order.
Support items - this are items carried by support heroes most of the time, they're further helping the team. Most common choices would be:
Astrolabe - AoE healing and +armour, very good all around.
Ring of Sorcery - AoE mana gain, helps sustain the casting.
Frostfield Plate - aura slow (enemies) and minor AoE nuke + further slow.
Totem of Kuldra - 3.5 second disable. Very useful in any situation.
Storm Spirit - another disable, lasts longer than totem but it's not as good as you can't hit the target while it lasts.
Nome's Wisdom - mana regen aura + minor heal on teammates while they cast spells. Nice and cheap little addition.
Tablet of Command - hero displacement + tree destruction. Use with caution.
Portal Key - single most important items for many heroes (Legionnaire, Tempest, Magmus) as it let's you get right onto enemy instantly. Required by most initiators.

3. Basic item building tips: you should start off with cheap items and proceed to buy more expensive ones as game progresses and your cash flows easier. Early to mid game try to build items that consist of cheaper parts (Astrolabe, Nome's Wisdom etc.) and get the high-end gear (like Totem of Kuldra) only for the later game struggle (this goes for most support heroes, with Legionnaire, Behemoth etc. you want to get your Portal Key as soon as possible, often even before you get any boots or other items).

      4. Basic Tactics

Here are some basic things you should learn ASAP or great suckage is ensured.

1. Lasthitting:
You should always try to hit creeps ONLY if this hit is going to kill it, avoid autoattacking at all costs (unless you're pushing)
What's the purpose of this?
- it reduces the chance of enemy denying you the creep
- it doesn't push the lane further (you want to fight under your tower, not their) which in turn makes you less prone to ganking and other nasty stuff

2. Denying:
Always try to deny all creeps you can. It works just like lasthitting but on your own creeps.
What's the purpose of this?
- it denies enemy the money and experience (enemy gets half the exp and 0 gold)

3. Not spamming spells:
So, you got yourself some nice int hero with a lot of AoE spells? You're probably tempted to cast them as soon as cooldown is over and get yourself more creepkills? Well, don't!
Why is that?
- by not spamming your spells you preserve your mana so you have it when the real need arises (enemy gank for instance)
- you don't push the lane further too early
- spells should be used primarily on heroes, not the creeps

4. Controling runes:
There are 2 rune locations in the river. First rune is spawned randomly at one of them at the start of the game (when the countdown reaches 0) and then new runes spawn at every full 2 minutes (assuming someone has taken the previous rune, otherwise it just stays there). Having this in mind you should have someone controling the runes (usually the hero in mid) even if this hero doesn't have the bottle.
What do you mean by controling runes?
Getting them before enemy does, simple as that. You don't want the enemy to get them. Even if the enemy doesn't have the bottle, runes can be used in various ways:
Double damage - more damage is always nice, you can use it to gank someone or just for easier lasthitting/denying.
Illusion - use it either as damage increase (attacking the same target with yourself and clones), ganks, confusion/faking or scouting.
Regeneration - self explanatory.
Haste - great for ganking, gives you 522 (max) movement speed. Does not affect attack speed.

Long story short: Your team has to be a bitch about runes. Even if you're not gonna use it, you won't let others use it too.

5. Warding:

A very important part of the game. Instead of writing some bullshit I will just copy/paste Tadzio's article on this. It's a great read even for more experienced people.

+ Show Spoiler [Warding by Tadzio] +

The Noob's Guide to Support Warding

A Disclaimer: Amongst other [TLn] gamers, I am probably average to slightly below average in terms of HoN skill. That, I think, makes me a poor authority for a guide. Fortunately, warding takes essentially zero skill. Just discipline and knowledge. I sincerely hope the newer players among you use this so we can get out of the 1600s.

Intro:

So, you want to be a support hero? Maybe your team needs a support hero and you're the last slot. Maybe you're tired of playing carries and wanna give support a try. Maybe you misclicked. Whatever the reasons, you're support and you need to know what's expected of your role. First, ask yourself two questions.

1) Are you okay with buying and placing wards all game long? If the answer is no, consider repicking into a tank or an initiator.

2) Are you willing to babysit your carry, giving him all the CK you can and trying not to last hit any heroes? If the answer is no, consider repicking into a carry or ganker.

If you can do both those things (warding/babysitting), you can handle playing a serviceable support hero. Congrats!

The rest of this guide will concentrate on covering how to ward at the pub level. You won't see any fancy advanced strategies here... just what you need to do your job.

First, which Heroes are Support?

Most heroes can serve as support, but these heroes excel in the role. Almost exclusively INT-based, they are item independent heroes and are usually nukers, healers or buffers. Weak as individuals, they make their team better than another carry would. Subroles in parenthesis.

Andromeda (ganker/initiator)
Blacksmith (ganker)
Nymphora (pusher)
Thunderbringer (ganker)
Pollywog Priest (pusher)
Ophelia (ganker/jungler)
Pyromancer (ganker)
Demented Shaman (pusher)
Voodoo Jester (ganker)
Hellbringer (initiator)
Plague Rider (ganker)
Accursed (tank)

If it's not obvious who should be warding in your game and you're one of these heroes, go ahead and buy some wards. Take some initiative.

Warding Basics:

Warding is by far the most important thing support heroes do. Legal maphack is a powerful thing, and if you take your role seriously you can give your team a great advantage simply by buying and placing wards. Warding does not require much skill, so even the noobiest players can be a valuable asset to their team if they ward.

In my games with [TLn], if I don't buy wards, I never see them. This must change if we ever wanna get outta the 1600s (and I certainly do). So let's go over the basics of warding.

Two wards cost 200g. You can buy them by pressing B R A. That's right, by simply typing "bra," you're rewarded with maphack. It's a sexy thing. I like to think that I'm taking off my opponent's bra when I do it, but you may find other motivations for purchasing them more often. Anyway, wards are invisible, last 6 minutes from the time you place them, you can buy up to 4 wards every 6 minutes, and they reveal the same portion of the map whether it is night or day.

Starting off:

When I play support heroes in a standard pub, I like to start off with 1x Runes of the Blight, 1x Ward of Sight, 1x Pretender's Crown, and 2x Minor Totem. If my hero needs mana early, I'll trade in the Pretender's Crown for 3x Mana Potion. In a game where I know the people I'm playing with I often start with 1x Runes of the Blight, 1x Ward of Sight, 1x Monkey Courier, and 2x Minor Totems.

Notice that the unwavering feature of these starting item builds is the Ward of Sight.

The first thing to do once you buy your items is head for the river runespawn, either top or bottom. If someone's come with you, use the time searching for a firstblood opportunity. If you're alone, sit on highground and wait for the -10s mark (ten seconds before the beginning of the match), at that moment, place your ward and position yourself to grab the rune.

If a rune is there, don't grab it right away unless you have to. If it's a regen rune, you may want to leave it there for your solo, ask them. If it's an invis, an illusion, or a double damage rune, wait until the 10s mark to grab it, then head to your lane and attempt a firstblood. If it's a haste rune, wait until the 15s mark to grab it, then head to mid or your lane and attempt a firstblood.

But what to do with your extra Ward? I'm split on this. Some games I save it 'til the 6 minute mark, then replace the first ward and use the other wards I've bought to get massive vision over the map. In other games, I'll drop the extra ward in the middle lane and let the solo place it at his leisure.

Primary Ward Locations:

Getting vision of the river is your primary concern. At your most minimal and lazy, you should have wards looking over the runespawns at all times. Here are some examples:

Q: Kk... Where do I place these glorious wards?
A: At your laziest, you should always cover runespawns. Like so:

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(vision of: rune, kongor area, highground on legion side of river)

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(vision of: rune, sliver of highground on legionside, fog-juke spot on hellborne side)

Q: Well, that's boring. What if I'm not being lazy?
A: No one said placing wards was exciting, hehe! If you're not being lazy, you can get aggressive with your wards, like so (note, Aggressive wards become defensive if you place them on "your" side of the river)--

Secondary Ward Locations:

Later in the game, you'll find it useful to place wards in offensive or defensive locations. These are the locations you should place them for maximum vision:

Spotting up ramps:
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(vision of: entire area above ramp, middle river)

Scouting Jungles/forward positions:
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(vision of: northeast corner of hellborne jungle, behind hellborne's second top tower)

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(vision of: behind legion's second top tower, shortcut south of ward that allows easy travel from middle to top and vice versa)

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(vision of: common staging area for ganks/teamfights on hellborne side, sliver of river)

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(vision of: rune, southwest portion of hellborne jungle, common fog/gank area)

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(vision of: southwest portion of legion jungle, behind legion's second bottom tower, common staging area for teamfights on legion side)

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(vision of: behind hellborne's second bottom tower, parts of the area around hellborne's secret shop, part of shortcut from mid to bottom)

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(vision of: center of legion jungle, major staging point for ganks/teamfights)

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(vision of: northeast area of legion's jungle, major staging point for early/mid game ganks)

Q: You mentioned that wards can tell you "how many people are defending a tower." How?
A: Simply place a ward behind the offending tower. Like so:

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(vision of: whoever is behind the tower, teleports, etc.)

Q: I'm having trouble breaking into my opponent's base. Can wards help?
A: Yes! WARDS ARE THE BEST! Viola:

Hellborne:
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(vision of: Hellborne inbase highground)

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(vision of: Hellborne inbase highground)

Legion:
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(vision of: Legion inbase highground)

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(vision of: Legion inbase highground)

Preventing Neutral Pulls:

Neutral Pulls can give a significant level advantage to the players doing it. If your opponent is doing it, or you think they might, you can prevent neutrals from spawning by placing wards, like so:

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(vision of: neutral camp, sliver of area behind hellborne's top tower)

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(vision of: neutral camp, sliver of legion jungle)


Counter Warding:

If your ganks are all failing, chances are high that your opponents have wards up, and you should take it upon yourself to counterward (assuming that you're ranged). Blinding your opponent is just as powerful as revealing him, so make use of this when necessary. Simply buy a Ward of Revelation and place it at the common locations for wards, then destroy the offending ward. Like warding, counterwarding requires little skill, just the discipline to do it.

Q: Uh oh, the other team read this FAQ and has wards. What should I do?
A: Counterward if it's really disrupting your team. Get a ranged hero to buy a Ward of Revelation and plant them at common ward locations, then destroy the offending ward of sight. Scout's Electric Eyes may also be used for this purpose.

Avoiding Counter Warding:

Pubs don't typically counterward, but I have had it happen to me. Here are some less common locations to place wards that'll give you just about as much information as the standard ward locations, but won't be as easy for them to find.

Q: Uh oh, the other team read this FAQ and is counterwarding. What should I do?
A: Use alternative ward spots. Your warding shall not be hindered! Here are a few that will spot runes while remaining expensive to find. Many of the alternative ward spots can be used as psuedo aggressive wards.

For Bot:
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(vision of: rune, north side of legion jungle, some river)

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(vision of: rune, river, sliver of northeast corner of legion jungle)

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(vision of: rune, kongor area, river)

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(vision of: rune, kongor area, river, hellborne highground)

For Top:
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(vision of: rune, river, sliver of hellborne highground, legion's ancient stack area)

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(vision of: rune, river, hellborne highground, sliver of legion highground)

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(vision of: rune, river, sliver of legion highground)

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(vision of: rune, south side of hellborne jungle)

FAQ:

Q: But I'm broke!
A: Np. Just don't die for a couple minutes and you'll have enough to buy wards.

Q: But if I don't buy wards, I can carry with XHero!
A: Stfu and buy wards, you donkey.

Q: I'm Voodoo Jester, Pollywog, Blacksmith, Thunderbringer, Pyromancer! Do I really have to buy wards?
A: If no one else is, yes. Shroud/Staff of the Master/whatever-the-hell-you're-saving-up-for isn't as important as wards.

Q: I'm Accursed. Do I really have to buy wards?
A: People very rarely expect Accursed to buy wards. But if you're building him with an Astroblade (mekansm) and no one else is getting wards, I'd say yes.

Q: Can I place wards in other spots?
A: Of Course! But be careful. Trees and other obsticles can block a ward's vision. The locations I screenshoted are ideal for most situations.


6. Sticking together:
Remember, you are a part of the team, act like it's true. Try to help out your mates if they're in trouble (yeah, I want you to buy this homing stone and teleport to another lane instead of saving up for whatever item you're just building) and at certain point of the game, it's all about teamfights so pushing a lane singlehandedly is usually a bad idea because either you'll get ganked by 5 people or your mates are going to lose a tower because they won't be able to defend it 4v5.

7. Slot for homing stone:
You should always have one.

8. Greed:
Greed is bad for you and your team. If you're chasing some hero and this chase is starting to take long (you chased him the entire woods for example) just break off and leave him be. There's a big chance his mates are already waiting for you in the spot he's going to.
Also, don't rush 1v5 just because you can kill one of them that is low. Kill for kill isn't that good of a business (in most cases). Also, be mindful of overpushing, if your mates are calling misses, you should immediately take precautions (fall back) and not sit there 'because you can finish this wave of creeps in 3 hits'.

9. Staying alive:
Focus on that first. If you're low, go heal, don't stand there and try to kill this 1 more creep. You stay alive = you don't feed.

10. Be mindful of the minimap:
It's an invaluable tool. Even if your mates don't call misses (because they're pricks) you should still glance at the minimap often and if you see something wrong there (just 1 or no enemy heroes) you should assume you're being ganked and act accordingly (back off to nearest tower, tp home or something like that).

11. Some thoughts on regen:
What I see a lot is many people overrating regen too much. Disclaimer: Regen is good, I'm not saying no. It's always nice to have some hp/mana regen.
The problem is however, that regen is secondary to increasing hp/mana. Regen helps you stay at lanes or prevents the need to go back and heal but on the other hand, it DOES NOT increase your survivability in fights as much as plain boost in hp. Try to keep this in mind at all times. More hp > regen. Stat-gained hp (through strength) > generic hp boost (beastheart etc.).
Summary:
- you want to increase your hp/mana as a priority, not the regen rate
- you want to increase it through stats (stats give you so much more, str gives you hp/hp regen rate and sometimes dmg, agi gives you more armour/ias and dmg, int gives you mana/mana regen rate and dmg)
Example: As an int hero, you want to increase your mana pool (preferably through int gain, I can't stress this out enough) instead of buying manatubes and shit like that. Being able to cast more spells with your pool is a lot better than casting some, waiting for regen, casting some more.

12: Rearranging:
If you've chosen wrong lanes (one lane getting raped badly) do not hesitate to rearrange your team position. Giving enemy such advantage will just make your entire team keep falling behind.
Example: Enemy Bloodhunter soloing mid - you need to put one additional hero in mid lane or you will get screwed. Yesterday I was solo BH in mid vs Arachna and I outfarmed her so bad it wasn't even funny. All items I needed for start: Logger's Hatchet, Shield, 1 health potion. She couldn't touch me and after the first wave of creeps I had 4/4 ck/cd stats. Then I was 1 level ahead, then 2 and just kept increasing the gap. Got my ult, ganked etc.
Bloodhunter is too strong to let him vs 1 hero. His healing-through-kills is ridiculously strong and if facing some int hero he'll just perma-silence and own.

I'm too tired to write anything more today. If you have any editing suggestions or questions then just fire away and I'll update this guide later accordingly.
Hope it helped someone at least a bit.

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bhp255
Profile Joined July 2008
United States600 Posts
December 03 2009 20:26 GMT
#2
imo follow the leader
Following Okazaki's steps to becoming a Fuuko Master
tirentu
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1257 Posts
December 03 2009 20:42 GMT
#3
imo just play dota...

(sorry, im against HoN)
Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
December 03 2009 20:54 GMT
#4
what about the chicken, we need chickens

also more emphasis on warding imo ^ ^
mptj
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States485 Posts
December 03 2009 21:05 GMT
#5
lol we need a LoL guide for me
"Only the Good Die Young"
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-03 21:35:08
December 03 2009 21:22 GMT
#6
good guide so far, but one thing bugged me. Its called a pot-shot not a pop-shot >.<
(you wrote in under buying shield item). edit- another thing, its called a homecoming stone, not homing stone isn't it?

PS- you should make it more clear that denying gives them half the exp, not all of it. But still blocks all their money gain.

also, you should be more clear about what the runes actually do (even though it may be kind of obvious). Haste just makes you run at max speed (which is like 520?) or something, it doesn't effect attack speed however. Zergling meta boost, not adrenal. etc

I prefer to use illusions to scout around, it does a couple of things imo. One it will trick the enemies to think you are one place when you are actually hiding waiting for a gank. 2, the fakes will more often then not be unmicroed and putting themselves into retarded positions and causing enemies to blow mana on them. 3, if you have decent multitask and micro you can be scouting around while farming a lane and/or last hitting creeps in two lanes (you don't get the exp but you do get the money).
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
nAi.PrOtOsS
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada784 Posts
December 03 2009 21:25 GMT
#7
Good guide!
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
December 03 2009 21:26 GMT
#8
Ideally, a team should consist of:
1 Carry
1 Initiator
3 Support

I disagree. 4 AOE initiators for the lulz. Tempest, Magmus, Behe, Soulstealer (for carry also), Plague lord.

And mass blink daggers!
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-03 21:45:10
December 03 2009 21:34 GMT
#9
On December 04 2009 05:54 Etherone wrote:
what about the chicken, we need chickens

also more emphasis on warding imo ^ ^


This is for beginners. They'll mostly play pub games and usually chicken is just a waste in pubs because the team won't put it to good use.

@CharlieMuprhy: Thanks for the insight, I'll update it.

Edit: Updated and added hero examples under categories.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
December 03 2009 21:39 GMT
#10
Nice guide, very useful for someone just starting up.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 20:27:33
December 03 2009 21:40 GMT
#11
welcome, There is a ton more beginner info that should be more in depth as well imo.

What kinds of items to start with, laning (controlling creeps and enemy hero movements) and paying attention to heroes movements and calling them out/pinging asap. Lots of positioning, psychology and reverse psychology goes on even with your allied partner trying to get last hits (even last hitting heroes too). There are also macros that announce to allies when the rune will be up (i think this kind of crap is pseudo cheating) but whatever.

One of the biggest mistakes I see noobs making is just item selection. There is a reccomended tab of items, if you are not sure what to get - just go with that. At the very least they will be decent items for the situation and team.
Lot of times noobs will start out with items that cost a lot and don't offer much later on/can't be transmuted into better items.

Things like hatchet, shield, boots, bottle or just finishing up a bracer with all their startup money instead of buying another circlet and duck boot or something.

Most of the time I play with almost any class of hero my basic build is this:

1x +3 STR/AGI (Crushing claw/Duck boot) (depending on game type/start money 2 of these)
1x +2ALL (pretenders Crown aka Circlet) (depending on game type/start money 2 of these)
2-3x Runes of Blight (Tango) (depending on game type/start money maybe more)
1-2x Mana potion (depending on hero)
1x +1ALL (Minor totem aka Ironwood branch) (this item is usually bought if you have less than 90 gold and extra slots)

The reason why you don't want to finish out your bracer right away is because it cost another 175g and only provide another +1ALL and +2 (str/agi/int)
A crown alone provides +2 to all which is 6+ instead of 5+ and it cost 185
A +3 item cost 150 and would also be a better investment early game when HP matters most.
Also the totem item cost 53 which is the most cost effective item this early, the problem with it though is that it doesn't transmute into much and you only have 6 slots in your bag. So if you find yourself with 150 money leftover and a slot or two it'd probably be best to go with a rune of blight and a totem instead of another duck boot or whatever.
And totems are easily sold later on when you need more space for 26 gold.


PS- this site http://heroes-newerth.com/items lists every item (and people comment the dota names as well), get to know them and where you can buy them and what they morph into. So you don't waste time standing around at the shop.
Do your shopping as you walk back to the shop, it'll save time. Just keep your eye on the minimap as you do it.


The main goal of the first 10 minutes or so of the game is to stay in the lane as much as possible and gain the most money you can gain in the process. The more time you waste running to heal or searching around at the shop is bad.

If you find yourself with a lot of money and low hp, don't forget you can buy items at the shop without you being there and they will be saved in you shop stash (this way if you die and lose money it will prevent you from being unable to buy the items when you respawn and waste even more time running back later).


this guy has some pretty basic insightful information on laning.
+ Show Spoiler +




Also, instead of picking a more vital roled hero because he looks cool. I would suggest choosing a hero like accursed (who doesn't die easliy) to play.
Also instead of just playing random heroes every game It's probably a better idea to practice 1 hero for several games, and then next the next time and so on. Who knows, you may even find out you liked that hero better than the one you picked originally. It's the same concept with most anything, you don't try to learn everything at once, you start with 1 thing and get decent/master it. Then when you feel confident as that hero start all over with the next one. Until you have a pretty decent grasp on what every hero does, what items they get, and how they are played. So you ultimately learn what to look out for when playing against those heroes.

Also, there is a practice mode with lots of good options like adding money or exp to your hero as well as creating more heroes , so you can essentially test out every hero in 1 game then take it from there.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
December 03 2009 21:41 GMT
#12
should post this in the dota/hon thread, so we can secretly increase the page count even more.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
hak
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Sweden768 Posts
December 03 2009 21:43 GMT
#13
thanks alot! great guide for us noobs out there

i kinda start to realize how different EM games is im a victim of falling into some bad habits by only playing em.. fuuckk

ive never bought a ward in my life :S

is it not more worth it to always have a keeper of the forest or scout in your team which can place wards for free and contribute with their roles at the same time so everybody can spend money on good items? whats the disadvantage for that scenario?
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
December 03 2009 21:59 GMT
#14
On December 04 2009 06:43 hak wrote:
is it not more worth it to always have a keeper of the forest or scout in your team which can place wards for free and contribute with their roles at the same time so everybody can spend money on good items? whats the disadvantage for that scenario?


Keeper is fine for his ult, his 'wards' are annoying as hell but have 2 disadvantages:
1. They can't be placed as freely as normal wards (less vision).
2. They're easy to destroy with spells and there's ALWAYS at least 1 person in enemy team that will have logger's hatchet and just chop down the trees with eyes on them.
3. Yeah, I cheated, there's 3 disadvantages They have a very long cooldown in the beginning which makes them even less reliable.

As to the scout... I have never seen him being picked in high level play. Even in pubs 90% of the time when a team has scout or nighthound this team loses. It's very hard to be good with scout and he only works in pubs, at certain level people will be ready to counter him and his squishiness + the fact that he's rather item dependant to own = fighting 4v5 for the most part of the game for his team. His scouting (which is great) just doesn't return 1 able body lost in the all-team fights.
I'd very much rather have Pyromancer than Scout on the team. Pyro can buy wards and is 10x more useful for the team overall.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
December 03 2009 22:02 GMT
#15
Scout - yes
Nighthound - no

Anyways, how can You say You're into DotA and against HoN? Come on, god damn it, HoN is like SC2 and DotA is SC:BW, if You like DotA you need to love HoN :<
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hak
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Sweden768 Posts
December 03 2009 22:09 GMT
#16
On December 04 2009 06:59 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2009 06:43 hak wrote:
is it not more worth it to always have a keeper of the forest or scout in your team which can place wards for free and contribute with their roles at the same time so everybody can spend money on good items? whats the disadvantage for that scenario?


Keeper is fine for his ult, his 'wards' are annoying as hell but have 2 disadvantages:
1. They can't be placed as freely as normal wards (less vision).
2. They're easy to destroy with spells and there's ALWAYS at least 1 person in enemy team that will have logger's hatchet and just chop down the trees with eyes on them.
3. Yeah, I cheated, there's 3 disadvantages They have a very long cooldown in the beginning which makes them even less reliable.

As to the scout... I have never seen him being picked in high level play. Even in pubs 90% of the time when a team has scout or nighthound this team loses. It's very hard to be good with scout and he only works in pubs, at certain level people will be ready to counter him and his squishiness + the fact that he's rather item dependant to own = fighting 4v5 for the most part of the game for his team. His scouting (which is great) just doesn't return 1 able body lost in the all-team fights.
I'd very much rather have Pyromancer than Scout on the team. Pyro can buy wards and is 10x more useful for the team overall.


ahh i understand.. scout and night hound usually own in the games i play because people have a hard tmie handle the stealth mode and gets ganked all the time. scout is one of the heroes ive played the most, love the speed and map control he has

but point taken and learned
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
December 03 2009 22:10 GMT
#17
fuuuu I accidentally deleted a long post.

Why is nighthound bad?

Also, read some guides on honforums as even thought they may not be the best, some are useful and one can learn fundamentals from them.

Call out 'missing' heroes and be aware of enemy missing heroes without relying on allies too much. Keep in mind they may go for runes and/or jungle.

Is clan teamliquid in TL active? Does the HoN logo next to name while in channel mean they are playing a game currently? I never spoke to anyone in the channel.

All the noobs should gather and play!
Stuck.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
December 03 2009 22:15 GMT
#18
To answer some questions:

Nighthound is good hero, it's just people who pick him in pubs usually have no clue how to play him (and just hope for other team failing at countering him). His only downside is his frality which (just like with scout and others) when faced by a team that knows how to counter him (i. e. buys wards/dust etc.) turns him into a feeder or at best useless hero who needs to retreat after 2-3 hits.

@Wala.Revolution: If playernames are greyed-out and they have HoN logo next to them then indeed they are currently playing a game.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Xiberia
Profile Joined September 2007
Sweden634 Posts
December 03 2009 22:15 GMT
#19
Nighthound is bad because he relies on invisibility to make up for his terrible terrible strength gain. Against any organized opposition he will promptly get shut down or chain ganked since he has no real laning skills except for invis, which will be useless anyway. If he gets freefarm he can be a bitch of course, just like any other carry or semi carry. All heroes work in pubs.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-03 22:28:52
December 03 2009 22:27 GMT
#20
I'll put it the other way for the beginners:
In the scrimms I played in/obsed there are certain heroes who usually (always) get banned/picked first. This are the most desired heroes on the team (hence banning them so enemies won't get them):

Behemoth
Tempest
Plague Rider
Jereziah
Accursed
Demented Shaman
Sand Wraith
Magebane
Vindicator
Dark Lady

In no particular order.

Behe/Plague/Tempest/DS/Vindi are banned because they're 1-skill wonders. Simply put: their ults rape face in teamfights.
Sand Wraith is arguably the best carry in the game + he shuts down portal keys very well.
Jeraziah is a 1-man counter to anything.
Accursed helps mitigate a lot of damage for the team and is excellent lane partner for carriers.
Magebane is just scary if you let him farm his items and his 'you cast slower and get hurt from it' aura can be a real pain in the ass.
Dark Lady with her AoE damage/silence and uber hardcore ult is not to be trifled with either.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
December 03 2009 22:29 GMT
#21
On December 04 2009 07:15 Manit0u wrote:
To answer some questions:

Nighthound is good hero, it's just people who pick him in pubs usually have no clue how to play him (and just hope for other team failing at countering him). His only downside is his frality which (just like with scout and others) when faced by a team that knows how to counter him (i. e. buys wards/dust etc.) turns him into a feeder or at best useless hero who needs to retreat after 2-3 hits.

@Wala.Revolution: If playernames are greyed-out and they have HoN logo next to them then indeed they are currently playing a game.


Though I've only played in pubs, I find him a fun hero (I dunno what).

Also I guide I read cited that he is played in high-level games due to his smoke bomb, and I think I'm fairly not-bad with him.

Had a hard time against a good scout last game;;
Stuck.
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 00:47:21
December 04 2009 00:02 GMT
#22
I still don't understand how you acquire a key. Do you get invited? Do only specific groups have access to them? I feel like I'm the only one who still doesn't have one lolol

edit: Thanks to a very generous TL.member, I just got one, so disregard this. Hopefully will be able to comment on the actual game itself soon!
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
December 04 2009 01:36 GMT
#23
Can you update the warding guide with these images (below)? My wards in the old guide were good for the most part, but some aren't placed optimally, and this newer guide I made is more comprehensive as well as having more precise placement. Just quote, cut n' paste, overwriting the old images. Thanks

+ Show Spoiler +

Q: Kk... Where do I place these glorious wards?
A: At your laziest, you should always cover runespawns. Like so:

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(vision of: rune, kongor area, highground on legion side of river)

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(vision of: rune, sliver of highground on legionside, fog-juke spot on hellborne side)

Q: Well, that's boring. What if I'm not being lazy?
A: No one said placing wards was exciting, hehe! If you're not being lazy, you can get aggressive with your wards, like so (note, Aggressive wards become defensive if you place them on "your" side of the river)--

Pull Blocking:
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(vision of: neutral camp, sliver of area behind hellborne's top tower)

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(vision of: neutral camp, sliver of legion jungle)

Spotting up ramps:
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(vision of: entire area above ramp, middle river)

Scouting Jungles/forward positions:
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(vision of: northeast corner of hellborne jungle, behind hellborne's second top tower)

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(vision of: behind legion's second top tower, shortcut south of ward that allows easy travel from middle to top and vice versa)

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(vision of: common staging area for ganks/teamfights on hellborne side, sliver of river)

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(vision of: rune, southwest portion of hellborne jungle, common fog/gank area)

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(vision of: southwest portion of legion jungle, behind legion's second bottom tower, common staging area for teamfights on legion side)

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(vision of: behind hellborne's second bottom tower, parts of the area around hellborne's secret shop, part of shortcut from mid to bottom)

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(vision of: center of legion jungle, major staging point for ganks/teamfights)

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(vision of: northeast area of legion's jungle, major staging point for early/mid game ganks)

Q: Uh oh, the other team read this FAQ and has wards. What should I do?
A: Counterward if it's really disrupting your team. Get a ranged hero to buy a Ward of Revelation and plant them at common ward locations, then destroy the offending ward of sight. Scout's Electric Eyes may also be used for this purpose.

Q: Uh oh, the other team read this FAQ and is counterwarding. What should I do?
A: Use alternative ward spots. Your warding shall not be hindered! Here are a few that will spot runes while remaining expensive to find. Many of the alternative ward spots can be used as psuedo aggressive wards.

For Bot:
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(vision of: rune, north side of legion jungle, some river)

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(vision of: rune, river, sliver of northeast corner of legion jungle)

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(vision of: rune, kongor area, river)

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(vision of: rune, kongor area, river, hellborne highground)

For Top:
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(vision of: rune, river, sliver of hellborne highground, legion's ancient stack area)

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(vision of: rune, river, hellborne highground, sliver of legion highground)

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(vision of: rune, river, sliver of legion highground)

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(vision of: rune, south side of hellborne jungle)

Q: You mentioned that wards can tell you "how many people are defending a tower." How?
A: Simply place a ward behind the offending tower. Like so:

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(vision of: whoever is behind the tower, teleports, etc.)

Q: I'm having trouble breaking into my opponent's base. Can wards help?
A: Yes! WARDS ARE THE BEST! Viola:

Hellborne:
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(vision of: Hellborne inbase highground)

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(vision of: Hellborne inbase highground)

Legion:
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(vision of: Legion inbase highground)

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(vision of: Legion inbase highground)
XinRan
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States530 Posts
December 04 2009 03:41 GMT
#24
Is there any gameplay difference at all between HoN and dota?
"To be fair, Kal played like absolute garbage. His noted inconsistency and bad record versus Jaedong high fived into a cacophony of suck." - TwoToneTerran
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
December 04 2009 04:24 GMT
#25
On December 04 2009 12:41 XinRan wrote:
Is there any gameplay difference at all between HoN and dota?


yes
you can't disable the terrain on the minimap (thus making it totally useless for.. say.. me)
everything else is secondary to that one huge fucking issue
and i'm entirely serious
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66161 Posts
December 04 2009 04:29 GMT
#26
i'm... going to stick to DotA
POGGERS
Mekhami
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
90 Posts
December 04 2009 04:38 GMT
#27
On December 04 2009 13:29 konadora wrote:
i'm... going to stick to DotA

HoN > DotA if only because of the stupid server shit you have to deal with on battle.net... every game on HoN is HoN
"Mekhami gave good advice." -Pokebunny, 12/1/2009
ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2294 Posts
December 04 2009 07:24 GMT
#28
On December 04 2009 07:02 Crucifix wrote:


Anyways, how can You say You're into DotA and against HoN? Come on, god damn it, HoN is like SC2 and DotA is SC:BW, if You like DotA you need to love HoN :<


I love SC:BW but I never liked dotA or HoN.
Terran in particular is a notoriously strong race for a no brain skillhand bot style.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 07:30:42
December 04 2009 07:30 GMT
#29
After playing hon for a few days my friends who are mass dota players will never go back because they finally realize the inherent delay in wc3/bnet.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 09:48:24
December 04 2009 09:40 GMT
#30
When will it come out of closed beta? I can't wait to play but it seems every time I look it's still in closed beta with no news on when it will be open.

EDIT: In response to post below:

The homepage still says its in closed beta when you click on "Play Beta", and theres an option to sign up for an email notification when it goes to open. But if I can get it please do let me know how xD
ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2294 Posts
December 04 2009 09:41 GMT
#31
On December 04 2009 18:40 Kickstart wrote:
When will it come out of closed beta? I can't wait to play but it seems every time I look it's still in closed beta with no news on when it will be open.

beta? I thought this game was out already cause Ive seen people play it at LANs all the time....
Terran in particular is a notoriously strong race for a no brain skillhand bot style.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 04 2009 10:04 GMT
#32
I was also wondering what the difference between HoN and dota are. I have been playing LoL (wanted to play HoN, but it's in closed atm ) and while it is like dota, I still think I prefer dota to it. From what I have seen HoN is more similar to dota that LoL is, just wondering what people who have played all of them think.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 11:03:36
December 04 2009 10:44 GMT
#33
On December 04 2009 19:04 Kickstart wrote:
I was also wondering what the difference between HoN and dota are. I have been playing LoL (wanted to play HoN, but it's in closed atm ) and while it is like dota, I still think I prefer dota to it. From what I have seen HoN is more similar to dota that LoL is, just wondering what people who have played all of them think.


I've taken part in DotA tournament recently. My first game of DotA in a couple months. All I can say is it looked ugly, felt really slow and unresponsive (yes, on LAN). Basically, DotA is uglier HoN in slow-motion.

@Tadzio: Thanks for the updated pics. I'll put them in their respective place. But you still got 1 ward non-optimal The one to scout Helle jungle, above the mid lane and to the left. Try placing the ward above the monolith there and a bit to the right. Gives you clear vision in all directions: behind woods on the left side of mid lane between helle towers, upper ramp near mid lane, creep camp above top rune, east-most creep camp in Helle west-woods.
At least that's how I always place it

Edit: Updated it. Tell me how it looks now (done some minor editing to preserve the old coherency of your guide).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 11:48:18
December 04 2009 11:18 GMT
#34
Updated with some info on regen so that beginners will finally know that 134123412312hp/sec regeneration rate is not going to save you if you're being 1-shot killed by enemy.
Also info about rearranging your lanes.

Edit:
My favorite ward locations to prevent ganking/gank yourself.

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Gives vision of 3 ramps and a sliver of jungle near east-most helle creepspawn.

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Gives vision of 3 ramps, sliver of river, hellebourne river highround if someone is walking there (not always, needs some more testing), sliver of center legio jungle.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
hak
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Sweden768 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 12:31:23
December 04 2009 12:30 GMT
#35
hmm in almost every game i have played so far i've been under the impression that you always go for boots first. cheap regen/stats -> lane til you get steam/ghost marchers -> go get them -> gank/return to lane (situational ofc)

always always boots first. guess im wrong.. but the hero feels slow and crippled without them :/

btw, that ward guide rocks
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
December 04 2009 12:36 GMT
#36
don't let anyone tell you boots first is wrong. for they are wrong. boots first ftw
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 13:53:22
December 04 2009 13:51 GMT
#37
On December 04 2009 21:36 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:
don't let anyone tell you boots first is wrong. for they are wrong. boots first ftw


Boots first are wrong in so many ways...

Early game primary needs:
- hp for survival
- regen for prolonged staying on a lane
- damage for easier farming

Boots fulfill 0 of this needs. You can always get them later and use chicken to bring them to you.
And that's why you get some cheap +stats items as they give you hp/mana and dmg.

There are heroes who might benefit from boots first (Swiftblade) but for the most part getting them as your first item hinders you more than it helps.

Even check out some of the pro vods. There are guys who don't get boots for the entire game (Magmus prioritizing dagger).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
December 04 2009 20:26 GMT
#38
On December 04 2009 21:36 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:
don't let anyone tell you boots first is wrong. for they are wrong. boots first ftw

ofc you would make a retarded post like this.

Why do you need to run away or chase heroes this early in the game? You don't, get stats which provide mana/life and regen. Get boots after that.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
ChApFoU
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
France2982 Posts
December 08 2009 22:20 GMT
#39
Long time no see teamliquid !!

I don't play SCBW anymore but I've been hooked by HoN. Imho it has everything DotA has + much better playability. Only downside is that pub games are filled with retarded unmannered and frustrated no-life slobs trying hard to display their e-penis at everyone who cares (i.e other slobs)

That being said, if you see me anywhere in a pub game stay away from me too : I suck massively at HoN :p
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper in a genius" Kang Min
magicbullet
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Singapore163 Posts
December 08 2009 23:14 GMT
#40
I think the ideal team compostition is 2/3 carries and the rest support. At the least, it works very well in pubs at 1700 and below.

In the long run we are all dead - J.M. Keynes
hak
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Sweden768 Posts
December 09 2009 02:27 GMT
#41
i no longer play Em games and i realized how much more fun it is with normal mode

im getting better and better, but my laning early in the game sucks. if i lane against a ranged hero , i have a problem to last hit and get money because he just keeps hitting me from a safe distance and i can't do anything about it. i usually buy 1, 2 or 3 runes in the beginning depending on hero but sometimes i just get owned in the lane and get no last hits due to offensive heroes against me. it bugs me that i can't counter it! is more regen the answer? since i am an old bw player, my mouse cliks, reaction time and unit control is pretty good so it's not that im slow or anything it just sometimes feels like it's really hard to NOT take alot of damage over time in your lane to get last hits

any thoughts on that?
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
December 11 2009 19:43 GMT
#42
Laning with melee against ranged heroes is usually going to be hard if they're any good (unless you're Bloodhunter). Your best bet is to play it safe, not-dying but staying on the lane is much better even if you don't get many creepkills than risking your life/trip to the fountain for a couple creeps.
Usually you should be laned with some partner and depending on your role you would be either farming or babysitting (not both), ideally partnering with someone ranged.
Not very doable in pubs though, unless you're with friend or you're very lucky and you're laning with a guy who actually knows what to do.
So many times I have been outfarmed -> rendered useless as a melee hero because Nymphora or other hero who's supposed to babysit me is getting all the kills.

Basic guideline:
- If you're ranged and have a melee partner, be aggressive, take pot-shots at enemy heroes, deny and try to give as much farm to your mate (unless you're the carry, not him, then feel free to grab all the kills you can)
- If you're support melee laning with carry melee try to draw enemy attention to yourself and leave farming to your mate
- If you're melee with non-carry ranged hero advise him to be aggressive and focus on your farming
- If you're ranged 1v2 play it safe, stay back, pull, whatever. Try not to push your lane too much and just steadily grab all the kills you can
- If you're melee 1v2 you're screwed in 90% cases

As you can see, early game with melee heroes is defensive play (with exception of BH). Grab items and play accordingly.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
December 14 2009 01:57 GMT
#43
I just wanted to throw something out there that I've found out relating to Charlie's post of shopping while you walk back to base. If you hold down the C key to center on your hero then hit b to bring up your shop menu(while still holding C) you can let go of c and it will continue to follow your character that way you don't have to stare at the minimap if you're afraid of a gank. To cancel this simply close the Buy menu then tap C once more.
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eNoq
Profile Joined June 2009
Netherlands502 Posts
December 14 2009 03:21 GMT
#44
copy pasted guide from somewhere on the HoN forums, shouldve just linked it.
Proburu
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-14 17:22:57
December 14 2009 17:20 GMT
#45
On December 14 2009 12:21 eNoq wrote:
copy pasted guide from somewhere on the HoN forums, shouldve just linked it.


What?! I wrote it all by myself. Perhaps someone copy/pasted it to HoN forums? (which I don't even attend)
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DevAzTaYtA
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Oman2005 Posts
December 14 2009 18:56 GMT
#46
just to add a couple tips to tadzio's ward guide for slightly higher skill games:

1) he said he was split on where to put the second ward from his first set. in higher skill games you will almost always want to use that ward to stop the enemy's creep pull. in lower skill games just reward the rune. for my 2nd set of wards (always make sure to buy it before the 6min mark!) i will usually place one on the opposing side of trees in my lane to watch for ganks under one of these three conditions: there is an enemy jungler, solo mid is a ganker (they almost always take this route), or i'm against an aggressive dual stun/slow lane.

2) if your carry is a reliable player, look at where he is farming/going to farm next. determine from which direction enemies could most likely come and ward that path. mid game you will want wards right up next to towers (but just out of range ofc) so your carry can see tp ganks before they come within stun range.

3) in hon you can place a ward right inside kongor's lair. make sure you do this late game as soon as you're on the defensive and it becomes possible for the enemy to take him out.

4) unless you're 0-5 or something, you will want to have the ward shop bought out at all times past the 6 minute mark. make purchasing wards and upgrading your team's courier the highest priority. you can delay boots and +stats items if your lane and mid lane are both doing well. if your hero is a bottle user you can delay the bottle for clarities and tangos until you are comfortable dishing out the $600. if there is an invis dude soloing mid (eg. madman/scout/night hound) add buying your team just one set of sentry wards asap to the top of your priorities. having your solo mid free farming for a little while is the easiest way to set your team ahead early on.

5) never say the phrase "wards on chick". fucking place that shit you lazy mofo.
hak
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Sweden768 Posts
December 14 2009 19:58 GMT
#47
On December 12 2009 04:43 Manit0u wrote:
Laning with melee against ranged heroes is usually going to be hard if they're any good (unless you're Bloodhunter). Your best bet is to play it safe, not-dying but staying on the lane is much better even if you don't get many creepkills than risking your life/trip to the fountain for a couple creeps.
Usually you should be laned with some partner and depending on your role you would be either farming or babysitting (not both), ideally partnering with someone ranged.
Not very doable in pubs though, unless you're with friend or you're very lucky and you're laning with a guy who actually knows what to do.
So many times I have been outfarmed -> rendered useless as a melee hero because Nymphora or other hero who's supposed to babysit me is getting all the kills.

Basic guideline:
- If you're ranged and have a melee partner, be aggressive, take pot-shots at enemy heroes, deny and try to give as much farm to your mate (unless you're the carry, not him, then feel free to grab all the kills you can)
- If you're support melee laning with carry melee try to draw enemy attention to yourself and leave farming to your mate
- If you're melee with non-carry ranged hero advise him to be aggressive and focus on your farming
- If you're ranged 1v2 play it safe, stay back, pull, whatever. Try not to push your lane too much and just steadily grab all the kills you can
- If you're melee 1v2 you're screwed in 90% cases

As you can see, early game with melee heroes is defensive play (with exception of BH). Grab items and play accordingly.


ty

one thing that i havent thought about much is to let my partner have creep kills. I only play pub games so I don't usually trust my allies and it end up in a battle for creep kills. I'll try to communicate better with my partner and have a bit more team play in the laning phase, depending on role/hero letting one of us get more kills.

One more question.. How do you take a screenshot while in game without having to tab out and paste it etc..I've googled it without success
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-15 22:54:19
December 15 2009 18:36 GMT
#48
Sorry, can't help you on this one. I'm on linux so for me it's alt+tab (my terminal window moves on top of HoN this way, without HoN minimizing) and either 'import -w root ss.jpg' (if I want the shot of entire screen) or 'import -frame ss.jpg' (if I want to drag-select part of the screen).
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da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
December 15 2009 19:27 GMT
#49
i have both wc3 and hon, and to be honest i'm not liking hon. the gameplay is a lot faster (so ganking is ridiculously overpowered) and the graphics make all the heroes look to similar. i suppose its a matter of getting used to, but i'll stick with dota for now.
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Elwinros
Profile Joined December 2009
United States93 Posts
December 15 2009 23:20 GMT
#50
Why is this game so item driven? It's like no skill is required.
Entry level StarCraft players -_-
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-16 21:49:31
December 16 2009 21:09 GMT
#51
On December 16 2009 08:20 Elwinros wrote:
Why is this game so item driven? It's like no skill is required.


How can you tell if you haven't seen it?

It's a team game first and foremost and as such requires this skills:
- cooperation
- timing
- extensive knowledge about heroes, items, map and game mechanics

It's also a fast paced action game that requires some more skills:
- speed
- precision
- game sense (or just a shitton of experience if you prefer it that way)

Items are important part of the game but they're just an add-on or the indicator of how good you are. Getting right items at the right moment is crucial for some heroes (not for the item independent ones obviously) and if you can get them or not is based solely on your skill.
There's economy in this game (kill = income, die = lose currency) which has to be taken into account (good balance of farming and ganking).

But instead of telling you all this I think I should just show you some vods from the tournaments with commentary so you can see for yourself.





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Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States5008 Posts
December 16 2009 21:34 GMT
#52
umm sorry to ask but what the hell do I put in main reference account at the bottom of making account.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Balloon-Man-FuDD/237447769616965?ref=hl
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
December 16 2009 21:50 GMT
#53
On December 17 2009 06:34 FuDDx wrote:
umm sorry to ask but what the hell do I put in main reference account at the bottom of making account.


You mean at beta registering? Nothing I believe.
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