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On November 11 2009 19:09 Patriot.dlk wrote:
If people calls you with anything then the solution is quite simple. You are in heaven. Deposit enough so you can play 6-8 tables and start playing your cards more then the opponents.
only play QQ,KK, AA and play them aggressively. You you feel you get to few hands to play then open up a table or two more.
that's what I am saying man, I have been in those "heaven" spots, and have had horrible luck with them  not just a few times, but over and over, and it is gettinggggg frussstrrattttinnggggg
perhaps this is a vent blog, so all the advice on how to handle this is appreciated. I may try to adjust a bit and play slightly more conservative.
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Holy shit, the reason poker is profitable is because luck is involved. If this game was 100% skill, you couldn't make money unless you were one of the best in the world.
If you don't like the game, don't play it.
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I think it might not be for you.
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On November 11 2009 17:35 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2009 17:12 Mortality wrote:
Poker is a zero sum game. Every dollar somebody earns is a dollar somebody else loses.
That's not true, if you play with someone and the money just goes back and forth between you two, you both lose, and the poker company wins (via rake) "Is Poker just a trap or what? There surely are not many "fish" online"... Yes, there are that many fish online. I know your pain man, someone going all in with like 7,4 offsuite preflop and beating your aces hurts. But after all you WANT them to do that. dont forget that he did have a certain percentage to win with that hand. You want him to take that risk, because 9/10 you win all of his money. 1/10 times he does, that's life, deal with it.Just keep playing, if you really didnt do any mistakes, got sucked out on really badly, then it's not your fault, youre just unlucky for a moment. But if losing the money hurts too much, go down to lower stakes again. Thinking "I'll go to higher stakes, because there the people are not as retarded and dont call with nothing and suck out" is NOT the right way to think. You want people to be stupid and to call you with stupid shit, just adapt your game and play tighter, they will only suck out on you a certain percentage of the time, as long as you play long enough.
anyone trying to make it with online poker should take what this man says and keep it close to your heart.
On November 11 2009 19:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I think it might not be for you.
roflyes
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Only play poker if:
- you don't really need money
- you have a lot of time
- you enjoy it
- you have basic probabilities knowledge
- you aren't prone to tilt
- you have a lot of patience.
Also worship variance because she can be a real bitch. But that's part of the game.
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Haha yeah i agree this years main event was just silly.
btw OP it sounds like poker REALLY isn't for you.
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On November 11 2009 17:03 avilo wrote:
started at 1c/2c tables
Ok, good way to start.
as well as 2/5 cent tables
1st mistake
and 5/10 tables
2nd mistake
but I did horrible at those when I started - it seemed like people would call with anything, and I would always get sucked out on no matter what I was holding
uhmmmmmm, when people call with anything, it means they suck. If you can't beat the suckers, guess who's the sucker.
So one of my friends that has made a lot from poker convinced me to deposit a bit and start to play more seriously, and I went ahead and started on 10/25 c tables
He gave you a good advice, to start playing more seriously if you're gonna play at all.
Yet you interperted playing seriously as MOVING UP STAKES. FAIL #1.
*huge whine*
Man up and ask yourself if you like to play this game. If you do, play properly, beat NL2 first and then move up.
I had a similar (idiotic) thought process when I started playing. "These guys suck, if I move up, I will do better." Well, wrong. If you know they suck, but you don't know how to exploit it, and you move up, you just missed a huge opportunity to learn, and you're eventually gonna have to patch that hole in your knowledge, it's just gonna be much more expensive at a higher level.
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I see this all the time, truth is you probably didn't even run that bad, you just lost chances to make money a million other ways, and then paid off ridiculously in several spots.
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On November 11 2009 17:12 Mortality wrote:
Poker is a zero sum game. Every dollar somebody earns is a dollar somebody else loses. Unless you're really good at playing the odds, don't play for any significant amount of cash, because somebody who's better will just take your money.
Edit: I just noticed that whenever you write poker in a comment, it automatically creates a hotlink to liquidpoker. LOL
It took you 2500 posts to notice that?
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poker is a game of variance (bad players call this luck)
you'll need to play a lot of hands for the odds to even out
also, make sure you have a rakeback account if you are serious about playing
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yes, obviously 10/25 c did not work out well =/ which is why I went back down to NL2
On November 11 2009 23:05 thedeadhaji wrote:
you are just bad
Running extremely bad yes. Bad otherwise...not so much.
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On November 12 2009 05:46 avilo wrote:yes, obviously 10/25 c did not work out well =/ which is why I went back down to NL2 Running extremely bad yes. Bad otherwise...not so much.
Do you know what br management means ?
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On November 11 2009 19:59 Boblion wrote:
Only play poker if:
- you don't really need money
- you have a lot of time
- you enjoy it
- you have basic probabilities knowledge
- you aren't prone to tilt
- you have a lot of patience.
Also worship variance because she can be a real bitch. But that's part of the game.
- you don't let your ego get in the way of objective analysis
Poker will always be profitable for good players because everyone thinks they're good.
We're also subject to selection bias. 7-5 has 37% preflop equity against AK, and you probably remember the one time you got stacked by it and forget the two times where your opponent folded before show down. As exalted said, playing better cards than your opponents is only an edge, not a guarantee of winning in the short term.
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On November 11 2009 17:20 Chill wrote:
I don't know what to tell you. Obviously if you make the right moves more often than your opponent you are going to win money. How is this a question?
Yea but the "right" moves aren't completely skill-based. Poker isn't that linear and there's a considerable amount of luck too
I'd say only 10-20 % of poker players are successful in the long run. Then again, hard work, patience and dedication will of course get you closer to those percentages, compared with gambling away your paycheck in an hour each month.
The correlation between being good at SC and Poker exists because semi-good/good SC players apparently have the patience and dedication to be good at other games too. Both games are also easy to learn but take a lifetime to master
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It's as much a trap as any other game that offers you a chance to win but a large chance to lose.
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Poker is not just a game of luck. If you believe it is play Joe Cada, (I know I have, he's my boss's neighbor) and watch how bad he kicks your ass.
Seriously it's a name where numbers are a big deal, if your bad with math Poker is very hard. Or if you just don't know any strategy. It's a game that requires a very deep strategy.
Start with free tourny's on an online poker and when you are winning those go to real money.
I know my lifetime earnings on poker is about 4-5k and I barely ever play.
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poker's like investing, it's gambling for those who don't know what they're doing and free money for those who do
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I've been having the urge to play poker since I noticed the TSL sponsor too. I started playing at pokerstars but just using play money. So far I'm falling into the same traps as the OP except I know I suck at poker. I'm just trying to learn. So thanks for the tips posted so far in this blog's replies.
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I think it's a trap in the sense that a lot of young people who like competitive games like starcraft get sucked into it, thinking that they can make a lot of money really quickly. And they waste hours upon hours playing on low stakes, not really getting anywhere, because it just takes a long time to get good. For all the hours that people put into poker, they could just be working a regular job instead, and usually make more money.
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