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This blog doesn't take into consideration the pro-scene, at all.
We are all foreigners, we have our own styles of play and learn from those who are top SC players outside of Korea. Sure, we can always watch pro-replays and analyze how those monsters play, but then again, this blog doesn't take into consideration the pro SC scene.
The best example of our beautiful organization is the Liquipedia and those guides made by very good foreign players. We have BOs up to the 70th supply count and have countless variations and branchings of those BOs to fit our opponents'.
But something that I have noticed is that us as foreigners have the tendency of playing full-width macro games. Not counting those who cheese to ladder up or because they're just plain noobs, if you look at most of the good foreigners' builds, they tend to be of very high macro orientation.
12 hat, 1 rax fe, etc. are a couple of the builds that all of us have memorized extremely well and know how to execute to a certain degree of preciseness. Also, those are the builds that we are encouraged to learn so that we can "improve and be straight up non-newbie players".
However, there is a little difference between us and the (non-pro) korean players. I will leave some other examples up to you guys since I don't have much time right now to elaborate but if you take a look at how Korean zergs tend to play their zvt, you will see that 90% of the times they will be opting for a really aggressive 2 hat mutas build and follow it up with defilers off of 2 bases.
Why is this the case? Is it because they earn more respect the faster they beat the shit out of their opponents? Or is it because they just have enormous confidence in their APM? Or is it because they just don't like long games?
Discuss! 
 
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I think it's because very few people here, foreigners, are going to be playing at a high enough level to have almost perfect mechanics. The best way to get good at starcraft is to get good mechanics and use those mechanics to execute whatever build order or style of play you want. And the best way to get good mechanics is to practice going into the late/macro game in order to practice multi tasking and balancing your control and macro throughout the game.
Most koreans have been playing, at least for fun I guess, since they were very young and so already have amazing mechanics.
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United States3824 Posts
I think that Artosis or something always says that the forigners are always 8 months behind Korea. So we still think that we should be playing huge macro games
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On November 05 2009 05:29 cgrinker wrote:
I think that Artosis or something always says that the forigners are always 8 months behind Korea. So we still think that we should be playing huge macro games
I hope you mean strategy and not overall skill
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On November 05 2009 04:02 EsX_Raptor wrote:
but if you take a look at how Korean zergs tend to play their zvt, you will see that 90% of the times they will be opting for a really aggressive 2 hat mutas build and follow it up with defilers off of 2 bases.
Defilers off 2 bases? Have you been watching replays from 2002 or something?
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On November 05 2009 05:51 KrAzYfoOL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2009 04:02 EsX_Raptor wrote:
but if you take a look at how Korean zergs tend to play their zvt, you will see that 90% of the times they will be opting for a really aggressive 2 hat mutas build and follow it up with defilers off of 2 bases.
Defilers off 2 bases? Have you been watching replays from 2002 or something?
+ Show Spoiler +Or Yellow like 1 week ago maybe? Tho it was a lurker opening
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wait... so macro is out?
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I think it has to do with the negative view the foreign scene has on cheese. As you mentioned, cheese is used "to ladder up or because they're just plain noobs". A standard player is still considered better then someone he loses to if they cheese him, but a win is a win. SC doesn't have a NR5 rule, and I think if cheese was more accepted as a legitimate strategy you would see it more.
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On November 05 2009 07:04 seppolevne wrote:
I think it has to do with the negative view the foreign scene has on cheese. As you mentioned, cheese is used "to ladder up or because they're just plain noobs". A standard player is still considered better then someone he loses to if they cheese him, but a win is a win. SC doesn't have a NR5 rule, and I think if cheese was more accepted as a legitimate strategy you would see it more.
Yep this is the entire reason imo. I hate how so many people constantly call someone a noob unless they won in a drawn out macro game. Imo it reflects good knownledge of the game to see the weaknesses in the opponents build and take advantage of it. Of ocurse there are plenty of foreigners that don't think liek that but overall people have a very negative view on cheese or risky strategies. It's a strategy game and if your strategy counter your opponents wich is the goal, you outsmarted him and won. It's that easy.
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I agree with Dark. People say that you are noob if you win with cheese but if you think about it, if you loose to cheese, you are either taking a risky build or you suck at micro. Cheese is risky but it gives and easy win and that is similar to a 14cc against someone who does not scout it. You will have a few extra units that can win you the game. Also, do you think you are really that good if you cant win in a micro war against someone a few ranks below you?
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I don't know how it is in an semi-pro setting but in casual games, koreans (or at least all the ones i know) are more about having fun rather than trying to work on mechanics when they play. We always set up mini tournaments between us and we're more interested in entertaining our friends rather than working on macro. Also, we don't have all night. :D
Idk, it's not fun cheering on someone who is 1a2a3a with 200/200. but sitting behind your friend who is 2 hatch all-in muta microing is epic.
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On November 05 2009 09:59 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
I don't know how it is in an semi-pro setting but in casual games, koreans (or at least all the ones i know) are more about having fun rather than trying to work on mechanics when they play. We always set up mini tournaments between us and we're more interested in entertaining our friends rather than working on macro. Also, we don't have all night. :D
Idk, it's not fun cheering on someone who is 1a2a3a with 200/200. but sitting behind your friend who is 2 hatch all-in muta microing is epic.
2 hatch muta is more common than 3 hatch muta these day sadly
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MrHoon
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Alot of Koreans refer Foreign Protoss players as a "Brick Wall"
Apparently, Foreign Protoss players show off an unstoppable force vibe which isn't really common in the Korean Scene. Or you are a genius like Giyom and Elky
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On November 05 2009 18:24 MrHoon wrote:
Alot of Koreans refer Foreign Protoss players as a "Brick Wall"
Apparently, Foreign Protoss players show off an unstoppable force vibe which isn't really common in the Korean Scene. Or you are a genius like Giyom and Elky
What does that mean? Amazing macro on behalf of forign protoss or what?
O_o
I've jumped at least 500 points on Iccup going 3 hatch hydra vs FE hahaa, it's a breeze now!
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On November 05 2009 18:24 MrHoon wrote:
Alot of Koreans refer Foreign Protoss players as a "Brick Wall"
Apparently, Foreign Protoss players show off an unstoppable force vibe which isn't really common in the Korean Scene. Or you are a genius like Giyom and Elky
Does that just mean a very safe, perfect macro/mechanics play or how do they mean?
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
The image and playstyle of Elky/GiYom is still branded into the brains of many veteran SC spectators in Korea. In the hearts of SC lovers over here, Grrr and Elky will never ever be forgotten.
Anyways, many people said watching White-Ra reminded them of the 2 Foreign Genius Protoss Players.
That being said, I haven't slept for more than 2 hours and I don't know what I am saying
errrr white-ra gives koreans nostalgic memories of elky's era
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That's interesting :D
Then this is implying that Korean Protoss players have a different play style. Like we previously mentioned, maybe they refer to foreign Protoss players as "brick walls" because of our macro oriented tendencies (having a lot of shit).
Please elaborate more on the Korean mindsets :D
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On November 05 2009 23:41 MrHoon wrote:
The image and playstyle of Elky/GiYom is still branded into the brains of many veteran SC spectators in Korea. In the hearts of SC lovers over here, Grrr and Elky will never ever be forgotten.
Anyways, many people said watching White-Ra reminded them of the 2 Foreign Genius Protoss Players.
That being said, I haven't slept for more than 2 hours and I don't know what I am saying
errrr white-ra gives koreans nostalgic memories of elky's era
buttttt....
Elky is a terran
are you sure you didnt mistranslate or something?
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Norway28747 Posts
On November 05 2009 05:51 KrAzYfoOL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2009 04:02 EsX_Raptor wrote:
but if you take a look at how Korean zergs tend to play their zvt, you will see that 90% of the times they will be opting for a really aggressive 2 hat mutas build and follow it up with defilers off of 2 bases.
Defilers off 2 bases? Have you been watching replays from 2002 or something?
I do that in a majority of my zvt games where terran doesnt open mech
it wins a huuuuge majority of the time xd
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Foreigners in general macro well.
They are also too slow, have bad micro and can't multi-task very well. There are a few exceptions but the speed and mechanics part is what really sets them off from the koreans.
Foreigners are clumsier with their controls and keyboard usage in general.
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