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On November 04 2009 12:29 ilovezil wrote:Funny you have this as your quote...
LOL. I know.
On November 04 2009 12:58 sArite_nite wrote:
is your roommate hot?
She's got a boyfriend, if that's what you're thinking.....
Guys, I'm not worried about dying. If I have it, I've had it for nearly a week now..... Maybe longer. And I'm still kickin.
It just blows - studying and writing exams while sick, and doing poorly on them, only to find out I could have had them deferred..... They're giving out notes for H1N1 faster than people gave out candy for Halloween.....
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The reason swine flu is receiving so much press is that otherwise healthy people can die from it, whereas typically the flu--although it does kill a significant number of people annually-preys on the sick/elderly.
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The annual flu kills 250,000-300,000 people per year worldwide according to the WHO.
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Clearly the important issue at hand is -
On November 04 2009 13:03 lMPERVlOUS wrote:She's got a boyfriend, if that's what you're thinking.....
Clear dodge. I take it as a yes?
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On November 04 2009 12:49 BabyRhino wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2009 12:35 lazz wrote:
flu kills way more than 10000 people a year, but i understand your point for the purpose of illustration ya i didn't konw the exact numbers... but my guestimate wasn't too bad. number of zeros are right :p
actually it kills in the 100's of thousands worldwide a year so you were only one digit off! :-p
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I had swine flu. it fucking sucked. I had a fever for 3 days that broke on and off. than after 4 days i got bronchitis. so i was sick for a good week. make sure you go to a doctor, because i waited so long lol.
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On November 04 2009 13:00 eshlow wrote:Take some vitamin D. No, NOT vitamin C.... vitamin D. + Show Spoiler +Hydrate well Sleep a lot. You should be fine.
Vitamin D is relatively nonpolar => only soluble in hydrocarbons = lipids => too much of it = bad
since your body produces it naturally, taking vitamin D supplements is usually not a good idea (unless you have some low-vitamin-d defect............)
Vitamin C you can take a shitload of because its soluble in water
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You better hope Banzu doesn't read this thread, he might give you shit. I might have had swine flu a few weeks ago, and it was pretty bad for about 3 days but after that it went away pretty quickly. I didn't think it was quite as bad as people make it out to be, if that's what it was.
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There's a lot of misunderstanding here. The H1N1 variety is not too dangerous at the moment, but the potential for it to become a pandemic is possible. It is a strain of influenza, I think type A, that has not been seen for some time. Therefore, inadequate preparation can lead to a major headache down the road. I agree the media has blown it somewhat out of proportion, but that's not to say it isn't lethal. Additionally, the biology of H1N1 is different. Research done by HHS in the United States has shown that swine flu targets different cellular receptors as opposed to the generic flu. There is a strong correlation between mortality and the which receptors H1N1 binds to. I believe H1N1 can target the receptors of the general influenza as well.
I think the location of cellular receptors is important too, although I am not quite sure.
Also, why not take vitamin C? It isn't like it's adversely affecting you.
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On November 04 2009 13:16 Meta wrote:
You better hope Banzu doesn't read this thread, he might give you shit. I might have had swine flu a few weeks ago, and it was pretty bad for about 3 days but after that it went away pretty quickly. I didn't think it was quite as bad as people make it out to be, if that's what it was.
Still PMSing over that? Read page 1.
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On November 04 2009 13:00 eshlow wrote:Take some vitamin D. No, NOT vitamin C.... vitamin D. + Show Spoiler +Hydrate well Sleep a lot. You should be fine.
Oh wow, I've been tricked :[
You make it sound like it's detrimental to take Vitamin C though -_-
Just stay healthy.
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On November 04 2009 13:13 synapse wrote:Vitamin D is relatively nonpolar => only soluble in hydrocarbons = lipids => too much of it = bad since your body produces it naturally, taking vitamin D supplements is usually not a good idea (unless you have some low-vitamin-d defect............) Vitamin C you can take a shitload of because its soluble in water
Vitamin D is indeed a fat soluble hormone.
I am not seeing how you can have "too much" in a short amount of time though especially if you're extreme conservative with dosing. There's studies where they megadosed 100,000 IU to children with no ill effects.
Pharmacological dose is bodyweight in lbs * 1000 / 3 per 3 days. So 150 lbs = 150,000 IU/3 = 50,000 IU per day over 3 days. That's how much they'd give you in the hospital if they found you were deficient during an illness.
I went conservative when I had to the flu and took 20,000 IU/day. Cleared it up pretty quickly.
From the IRL people I've recommended it to I've had about 80-90% success rate with respiratory infections (overall). And it just so happens ~80-90% of the population is deficient or severely deficient.
For reference I've been taking 10,000 IU a day for 6 weeks now with no ill effects. Switched down to 5,000 IU now and I'm still fine. No overdose symptoms in the slightest.
Since most people are deficient, most people would likely benefit from supplementing. Especially now that it's winter when there's not a lot of sun out.
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On November 04 2009 13:07 Ingenol wrote:
The reason swine flu is receiving so much press is that otherwise healthy people can die from it, whereas typically the flu--although it does kill a significant number of people annually-preys on the sick/elderly.
Isn't this a misconception? Didn't the people who died from swine flu mostly have pre-existing conditions that the media conveniently 'missed' in the uproar?
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On November 04 2009 13:26 BanZu wrote:Oh wow, I've been tricked :[ You make it sound like it's detrimental to take Vitamin C though -_- Just stay healthy.
There's no benefit. Vitamin C is an anti-oxidant.
If you can figure out how an anti-oxidant helps respiratory infections be my guest. You can search pubmed as well for studies supporting your conclusion but there won't be any.
However, there are a massive amount of studies for Vitamin D and respiratory infections.
It's unfortunate, because the media popularitized Vitamin C for.... everything. Which is totally incorrect. They should've popularized Vitamin D since so many people are deficient.
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On November 04 2009 13:13 synapse wrote:Vitamin D is relatively nonpolar => only soluble in hydrocarbons = lipids => too much of it = bad since your body produces it naturally, taking vitamin D supplements is usually not a good idea (unless you have some low-vitamin-d defect............) Vitamin C you can take a shitload of because its soluble in water
Most people become deficient in the fall/winter. Your body only produces it naturally when you're exposed to UV-B rays, which can't penetrate the atmosphere when the sun's at a low angle.
You can get like 10000 IU (maybe 20k) per day from sun exposure alone before your body stops producing it for the day, so it's probably pretty hard to overdo it. edit: though the tan you'd get from it would reduce future UV-B absorption, so 10k IU per day might not be sustainable.
edit2: v---- This is still flu-related! :p
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Blogs derail so easily.....
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On November 04 2009 13:32 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2009 13:13 synapse wrote:On November 04 2009 13:00 eshlow wrote:Take some vitamin D. No, NOT vitamin C.... vitamin D. + Show Spoiler +Hydrate well Sleep a lot. You should be fine. Vitamin D is relatively nonpolar => only soluble in hydrocarbons = lipids => too much of it = bad since your body produces it naturally, taking vitamin D supplements is usually not a good idea (unless you have some low-vitamin-d defect............) Vitamin C you can take a shitload of because its soluble in water Vitamin D is indeed a fat soluble hormone. I am not seeing how you can have "too much" in a short amount of time though especially if you're extreme conservative with dosing. There's studies where they megadosed 100,000 IU to children with no ill effects. Pharmacological dose is bodyweight in lbs * 1000 / 3 per 3 days. So 150 lbs = 150,000 IU/3 = 50,000 IU per day over 3 days. That's how much they'd give you in the hospital if they found you were deficient during an illness. I went conservative when I had to the flu and took 20,000 IU/day. Cleared it up pretty quickly. From the IRL people I've recommended it to I've had about 80-90% success rate with respiratory infections (overall). And it just so happens ~80-90% of the population is deficient or severely deficient. For reference I've been taking 10,000 IU a day for 6 weeks now with no ill effects. Switched down to 5,000 IU now and I'm still fine. No overdose symptoms in the slightest. Since most people are deficient, most people would likely benefit from supplementing. Especially now that it's winter when there's not a lot of sun out.
Theoretically, it's the same reason that vitamin A can kill you if you take too much of it - you only have so much fat to store your vitamin D in; taking in too much vitamin D will saturate your lipids with stuff you don't necessarily need. Thus, Vitamin D is beneficial, but only in relatively small amounts.
Though I guess your case(s) do(es) kind of prove otherwise  ?
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Yeah, the safest thing to do is get the test (25-hydroxyvitamin D, says Google) and act accordingly.
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On November 04 2009 13:00 eshlow wrote:Take some vitamin D. No, NOT vitamin C.... vitamin D. + Show Spoiler +Hydrate well Sleep a lot. You should be fine.
Because an increased antimicrobial capability would help to fight off a virus amirite?
But anyway being sick sucks, i hope you get better soon.
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