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AngryLlama
Profile Joined September 2005
United States1227 Posts
October 16 2009 19:02 GMT
#21
why don't you write about the best clan of all time.

i.Sky)

that should clear your writer's block.
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
October 16 2009 19:03 GMT
#22
and writer's block is certainly real. dostoyevski said he would die happy after finishing the brothers karamazov. nick drake said he "had no more to say" after writing the songs for pink moon
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
October 16 2009 19:03 GMT
#23
Chef, you must have a very methodical and boring writing style, I know exacly what the OP is talking about.

if you write seeking to pass something pre conceived, like news, or a pretty general idea like story about two marines drinking in the bar then getting attack then running away only to find more zerglings and die, its pretty easy to just put some time and thought on it and receive decent results.

But when you are trying to come with pretty original ideas and insights and are trying to add to the original plot on the fly (not only in what the plot is, but on how to transcribe it to the person) a Writer's block is pretty much a temporary inability to get inspired to the point where you need to brainstorm

Normally great authors dont need to brainstorm anything, they are the storm.
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
October 16 2009 19:08 GMT
#24
On October 17 2009 03:59 Mora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2009 03:41 A3iL3r0n wrote:
On October 17 2009 03:33 Mora wrote:
On October 17 2009 03:29 A3iL3r0n wrote:
On October 17 2009 03:11 Luddite wrote:
Wow, a guy on an internet message board will criticize what I wrote? I better hurry up, opportunities like this don't come a long too often.

My offer is one of thoughtful advice, not the pointless "internet" criticism of which your post is a great example.


i think you may be missing the point.

why should any of us think you are any more qualified to give critique than the any other random 'internet message board' poster?

I had already given you the benefit of the doubt, but surely you can understand why one might just think your offer is somewhat haughty and outright laughable?

Sure. All valid points.

However, what does one put at risk by sending me something to review? The offer is for me to do all of the work. One can use my comments or discard them.

Further, I don't see anyone else offering to read other people's work constructively. Sure, one can post his/her own work in a blog, but that rarely generates helpful responses.


i came to the same conclusion which is why i gave you the benefit of the doubt.

After reading your previous blog posts, it was clear that i'd be wasting your time. I like to express myself but i would be audacious in calling myself a writer. I'd be delusional to call what i do 'writing'.

I hope someone takes up your offer (presuming that the writing and the critique get posted here on tl.net)

Go ahead and send me something. By the looks of it, I'm not going to have any takers.

Also, I wouldn't post the story and critique without the author's encouragement. This blog is just the advertisement.
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Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
October 16 2009 19:18 GMT
#25
i'm going to be honest: you said 'no causal writing' (when i don't even know the distinction between casual/serious/professional in this context) and you're writing ability/fluency with literature intimidates me.

If i had any constructed prose that i would not be embarrassed to show you, i certainly would.
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
October 16 2009 19:19 GMT
#26
On October 17 2009 03:59 Mora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2009 03:41 A3iL3r0n wrote:
On October 17 2009 03:33 Mora wrote:
On October 17 2009 03:29 A3iL3r0n wrote:
On October 17 2009 03:11 Luddite wrote:
Wow, a guy on an internet message board will criticize what I wrote? I better hurry up, opportunities like this don't come a long too often.

My offer is one of thoughtful advice, not the pointless "internet" criticism of which your post is a great example.


i think you may be missing the point.

why should any of us think you are any more qualified to give critique than the any other random 'internet message board' poster?

I had already given you the benefit of the doubt, but surely you can understand why one might just think your offer is somewhat haughty and outright laughable?

Sure. All valid points.

However, what does one put at risk by sending me something to review? The offer is for me to do all of the work. One can use my comments or discard them.

Further, I don't see anyone else offering to read other people's work constructively. Sure, one can post his/her own work in a blog, but that rarely generates helpful responses.


i came to the same conclusion which is why i gave you the benefit of the doubt.

After reading your previous blog posts, it was clear that i'd be wasting your time. I like to express myself but i would be audacious in calling myself a writer. I'd be delusional to call what i do 'writing'.

I hope someone takes up your offer (presuming that the writing and the critique get posted here on tl.net)

Hahaha, you're the best.

On October 17 2009 04:03 D10 wrote:
Chef, you must have a very methodical and boring writing style, I know exacly what the OP is talking about.

if you write seeking to pass something pre conceived, like news, or a pretty general idea like story about two marines drinking in the bar then getting attack then running away only to find more zerglings and die, its pretty easy to just put some time and thought on it and receive decent results.

But when you are trying to come with pretty original ideas and insights and are trying to add to the original plot on the fly (not only in what the plot is, but on how to transcribe it to the person) a Writer's block is pretty much a temporary inability to get inspired to the point where you need to brainstorm

Normally great authors dont need to brainstorm anything, they are the storm.

All the writers I've ever liked have led extremely interesting lives. I think that's what makes a writer good. Not having a magic talent brain that's better than any other.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
October 16 2009 19:29 GMT
#27
On October 17 2009 04:19 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2009 03:59 Mora wrote:
On October 17 2009 03:41 A3iL3r0n wrote:
On October 17 2009 03:33 Mora wrote:
On October 17 2009 03:29 A3iL3r0n wrote:
On October 17 2009 03:11 Luddite wrote:
Wow, a guy on an internet message board will criticize what I wrote? I better hurry up, opportunities like this don't come a long too often.

My offer is one of thoughtful advice, not the pointless "internet" criticism of which your post is a great example.


i think you may be missing the point.

why should any of us think you are any more qualified to give critique than the any other random 'internet message board' poster?

I had already given you the benefit of the doubt, but surely you can understand why one might just think your offer is somewhat haughty and outright laughable?

Sure. All valid points.

However, what does one put at risk by sending me something to review? The offer is for me to do all of the work. One can use my comments or discard them.

Further, I don't see anyone else offering to read other people's work constructively. Sure, one can post his/her own work in a blog, but that rarely generates helpful responses.


i came to the same conclusion which is why i gave you the benefit of the doubt.

After reading your previous blog posts, it was clear that i'd be wasting your time. I like to express myself but i would be audacious in calling myself a writer. I'd be delusional to call what i do 'writing'.

I hope someone takes up your offer (presuming that the writing and the critique get posted here on tl.net)

Hahaha, you're the best.

Show nested quote +
On October 17 2009 04:03 D10 wrote:
Chef, you must have a very methodical and boring writing style, I know exacly what the OP is talking about.

if you write seeking to pass something pre conceived, like news, or a pretty general idea like story about two marines drinking in the bar then getting attack then running away only to find more zerglings and die, its pretty easy to just put some time and thought on it and receive decent results.

But when you are trying to come with pretty original ideas and insights and are trying to add to the original plot on the fly (not only in what the plot is, but on how to transcribe it to the person) a Writer's block is pretty much a temporary inability to get inspired to the point where you need to brainstorm

Normally great authors dont need to brainstorm anything, they are the storm.

All the writers I've ever liked have led extremely interesting lives. I think that's what makes a writer good. Not having a magic talent brain that's better than any other.

Chef, I love your passion. However, not all great writers have led exciting, event filled lives. Thomas Mann, Emily Dickinson, Sylvia Plath come to mind. (But as your post said, the writers you like all have.) Yes, being a good writer does come from having superior talent. That's like saying anyone can become a progamer. The best have a combination of superior talent and work ethic.
My psychiatrist says I have deep-seated Ragneuroses :(
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32047 Posts
October 16 2009 19:40 GMT
#28
You're out of your fucking mind if you think writer's block isn't real

Tossing my hat in the ring to review some writing stuff, amateur, professional... whatever. I'm bored and my own writing is sucking ass now.
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QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
October 16 2009 19:40 GMT
#29
I'm studying broadcast journalism and in the phase of trying to improve and enable myself to succeed in the basic mechanics writing skills so that I can become prepared into the real world (life after college). But, I question your writing credentials and how you led into this massive writer's block phase you seem to have right now...
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A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
October 16 2009 19:41 GMT
#30
On October 17 2009 04:18 Mora wrote:
i'm going to be honest: you said 'no causal writing' (when i don't even know the distinction between casual/serious/professional in this context) and you're writing ability/fluency with literature intimidates me.

If i had any constructed prose that i would not be embarrassed to show you, i certainly would.

Well, why not send it to me anyway? If the problems are as simplistic as you portray, I bet I could give you some effective advice.

I'll admit that I have posted some overly negative comments in response to some of the writing blogs, but my own amusement is not the point of this offer
My psychiatrist says I have deep-seated Ragneuroses :(
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24655 Posts
October 16 2009 20:10 GMT
#31
Where do you go if you are a writing noob and want to get better? Whether it be creative writing... or whatever? That's obviously not the point of this thread but I'm sure some of you guys have suggestions.
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CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11575 Posts
October 16 2009 20:14 GMT
#32
Read. That's it. Plain and simple, go to the library, or Barnes and Noble and read. Don't read fiction like Harry Potter or Twilight. Read non-fiction books, anything you're interested in, Language books help as well, and as well as pyschology books.

Learn as much as you can, so when you write, you'll be able to come up with things that will make sense and you'll get a better feeling of the language as it is. That way you're not just using redundant words consistently.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-16 20:21:42
October 16 2009 20:15 GMT
#33
Chef, your posts about writers seem to value life experience very highly, so how can you possibly think writer's block doesn't exist and say that its "bs and only for an excuse used by people who just don't feel like opening up" when you don't even know the many number of famous, brilliant writers who have had it? I mean, its just ridiculous to think how you can make such a blanket stupid statement and then defend it in this thread. You tend to do this a lot -- make largely ignorant, dumb statement without experience or information because you think your opinion is canon. Remember the time you said "online dating is only used by virgins who can't interact in real life" when you had no experience or information about it?

As for the OP, I bet you receive very few submissions because frankly, saying something like "I'm not going to provide credentials or evidence but trust me I'm good" is like someone coming onto this website, giving strategy advice, and being like "I don't play iccup but trust me i'm awesome at Brood War." Why would anyone want to submit their writing or get strategy advice from someone like that?

Do you know how many people try to write novels? Everyone. Do you know how many of these people would say "trust me I'm awesome at writing" (cough you, cough Chef) but actually have no idea exactly how bad they are at writing? Everyone.

To become a good writer, the first real step is to understand that you are not actually a good writer. Not many people are good enough at writing to realize that.
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p4ge
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada160 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-16 20:23:55
October 16 2009 20:19 GMT
#34
On October 17 2009 05:15 Hot_Bid wrote:
Chef, your posts about writers seem to value life experience very highly, so how can you possibly think writer's block doesn't exist and say that its "bs and only for an excuse used by people who just don't feel like opening up" when you don't even know the many number of famous, brilliant writers who have had it? I mean, its just ridiculous to think how you can make such a blanket stupid statement and then defend it in this thread.

As for the OP, I bet you receive very few submissions because frankly, saying something like "I'm not going to provide credentials or evidence but trust me I'm good" is like someone coming onto this website, giving strategy advice, and being like "I don't play iccup but trust me i'm awesome at Brood War." Why would anyone want to submit their writing or get strategy advice from someone like that?

Do you know how many people try to write novels? Everyone. Do you know how many of these people would say "trust me I'm awesome at writing" (cough you, cough Chef) but actually have no idea exactly how bad they are at writing? To become a good writer, the first real step is to understand that you are not actually a good writer. Not many people are good enough at writing to realize that.


qft
unfortunately someone like chef is probably too delusional to really understand what you just wrote
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
October 16 2009 20:24 GMT
#35
I agree partially with Chef, but at the same time I can understand why someone who managed to write a great piece could get very worried that his next work will not live up to expectations, so he's not free to just write what's in his heart.

Some people feel the pressure, some don't know what pressure is.
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11575 Posts
October 16 2009 20:27 GMT
#36
I have to side that there is no such thing as a real writers block. Everyone can come up with a story, a middle and an end. We did it as kids all the time telling ghost stories etc...

Writers Block is just your mind, being blank and not knowing what the hell to happen next. The best way to get rid of writers block is to re-read your story and the exact moment where your mind trails off, delete everything after it. Thats it. Just delete it. The reason you have writers block is because you're just bored and out of ideas on where to go with it. So just get rid of it.

Also, it's not a bad thing if you delete it and there were a few parts that you really liked. Just re-write it. You are the original creator, so you can re-write it and make it even better. If you ever have writters block, delete what you have written and just start over. There's a reason why you're bored with the story, and if you as the writer are bored with it, then sure as hell the audience will be too.
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
October 16 2009 20:27 GMT
#37
Remember the time you said "online dating is only used by virgins who can't interact in real life" when you had no experience or information about it?

No.

I remember thinking Kennigit meant dating over the internet, not online dating services that set up dates with people irl. I don't remember saying anything about virgins who can't interact in real life either, but you're very good at misquoting me. I think your hate for me helps you to invent things about me.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
October 16 2009 20:28 GMT
#38
On October 17 2009 05:15 Hot_Bid wrote:
Do you know how many people try to write novels? Everyone.

I find it very interesting, coz I never seriously thought about writing, even tho it sounds interesting.

And I only know one person that writes, and he's one of those wannabes that try a different career every week and claim they're gonna be famous.
benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
October 16 2009 20:28 GMT
#39
i think writer's block is quite often used as an excuse for laziness, as the best writers are the ones who work the hardest on their craft. denying its existence is just silly.

on experience/imagination: i've never trusted anyone who has said 'write what you know.'

on being a noob: reading helps, but less than most people think. there's no substitute for practice. everyone starts as a noob, but if you are passionate about improving you will get better. there are many terrible books written on how to improve as a writer. i'd skip those.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-16 20:34:44
October 16 2009 20:31 GMT
#40
On October 17 2009 05:27 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
Remember the time you said "online dating is only used by virgins who can't interact in real life" when you had no experience or information about it?

No.

I remember thinking Kennigit meant dating over the internet, not online dating services that set up dates with people irl. I don't remember saying anything about virgins who can't interact in real life either, but you're very good at misquoting me. I think your hate for me helps you to invent things about me.

What about that ridiculous circumcision thread where your position was basically the polar opposite of accepted medical science? Am I "imagining" that one too?

From Wikipedia:
Causes of writer's block

Writer's block may have many causes. Some are essentially creative problems that originate within an author's work itself. A writer may run out of inspiration. A project may be fundamentally misconceived, or beyond the author's experience or ability. (A fictional example can be found in George Orwell's novel Keep The Aspidistra Flying, in which the hero Gordon Comstock struggles in vain to complete an epic poem describing a day in London: "It was too big for him, that was the truth. It had never really progressed, it had simply fallen apart into a series of fragments.") [1]
Other blocks, especially the more serious kind, may be produced by adverse circumstances in a writer's life or career: physical illness, depression, the end of a relationship, financial pressures, a sense of failure. The pressure to produce work may in itself contribute to a writer's block, especially if he is compelled to work in ways that are against his natural inclination, i.e. too fast or in some unsuitable style or genre, and he or she is not willing to adapt. In some cases, writer's block may also come from feeling intimidated by a previous big success, the creator putting on him/herself a paralyzing pressure to find something to equate that same success again. The writer Elizabeth Gilbert, reflecting on her post-bestseller prospects, proposes that such a pressure might be released by interpreting creative writers as "having" genius rather than "being" a genius [1]. In George Gissing's New Grub Street, one of the first novels to take writer's block as a main theme, the novelist Edwin Reardon becomes completely unable to write and is shown as suffering from all those problems. [2]
Recently, the writer and neurologist Alice W. Flaherty has argued that literary creativity is a function of specific areas of the brain, and that block may be the result of brain activity being disrupted in those areas. [3]

Notable blocked writers

Well-known writers who have suffered from block include George Gissing, Samuel Coleridge, Ralph Ellison, Joseph Mitchell and F. Scott Fitzgerald. Writers who overcame block and published new work after a hiatus of decades include Harold Brodkey, whose novel The Runaway Soul appeared some 30 years after it was first projected, and Henry Roth, whose first novel, Call It Sleep, was published in 1934; his second, Mercy Of A Rude Stream, did not appear until 1994.


Chef, you said that
On October 17 2009 03:33 Chef wrote:
I don't understand writers block. If you have something to say, just write it and perfect it. If you don't have something to say... Go experience life until you do.


Are you really arguing that some of the best writers of our century just "didn't experience enough life" and "should go experience life" until they have something to write? What about people that write great fantasy or sci-fi? Clearly, F. Scott Fitzgerald just didn't have enough life experience amirite? He's just "using it as an excuse" because "he can't open up???"
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