• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:25
CEST 03:25
KST 10:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy9uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event18
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris34Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!13Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195
StarCraft 2
General
A Eulogy for the Six Pool BoxeR's Wings Episode 2 - Fan Translation Greatest Players of All Time: 2025 Update #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away
Tourneys
$5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) Esports World Cup 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below
Brood War
General
Post ASL20 Ro24 discussion. BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ No Rain in ASL20? How do I speak directly to Coinbase?1-(888)-419-97 Recent recommended BW games
Tourneys
[IPSL] CSLAN Review and CSLPRO Reimagined! [ASL20] Ro24 Group D [ASL20] Ro24 Group E Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Muta micro map competition Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The year 2050 European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s) Gtx660 graphics card replacement
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
How Culture and Conflict Imp…
TrAiDoS
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2279 users

Am i the only one to have a retarded logic ?

Blogs > RaiZ
Post a Reply
RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
September 18 2009 07:42 GMT
#1
I mean i'm usually a 180-200 apm zerg player, but it happened so many times on my zvp :
-whenever i've less apm (150-160)
-when i replace my main / natural and eventually second naturals hotkeys to more units

> I macro more.

And it helps me win.

Wtf ?

*
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
stanley_
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States816 Posts
September 18 2009 07:48 GMT
#2
confidence plays a huge role in starcraft. If you think it helps then do it all the time!
hoorah
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
September 18 2009 07:53 GMT
#3
Maybe you should stop checking your apm after every replay. It'll just make you focus on increasing your apm the next game and you'll be less concentrated on the actually game.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5460 Posts
September 18 2009 08:32 GMT
#4
efficiency much with apm? i used to spam a lot because i was under the impression that high apm automatically meant better skill. i was a ~260 apm zerg for awhile but i would often make stupid mistakes (2 drones on gas anyone? worst feeling ever...) because i was more worried about the number of clicks than the actual usefulness of the click (i wanted to be like a jaedong fpvod). someone showed me i had a redundancy of around the high 40 percents and that (combined with stories of kwark's epic 70 apm) compelled me to drop my apm as much as possible and make slower, smarter clicks. now i have around 190 apm and i macro much better than before (though still not as good as i wish).

moral of the story: maybe you don't make the best clicks when you have a higher apm. that was the case for me. try slowing down to make better clicks rather than more clicks.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
September 18 2009 08:48 GMT
#5
Well, it's not that i spam, but that i'm microing too hard when it's really really useless. Like microing 4 glings for 15 sec to kill this godamn templar when i could just skip it and look @ my base to macro the sh.t out of all these idle larvaes.
But what i don't understand is that i'm macroing WAY better when i'm just f2 the main and then macro all the hatches even if they're out of my main (mouse scrolling over all the hatches and no 5sh 6sh 7sh 8sh 9sh or something get what i mean ?)
For some reason it makes my macro way better... T_T
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
daz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada643 Posts
September 18 2009 10:03 GMT
#6
its probably because when you hotkey your units you spend much less time babysitting them and therefore have increased time to actually macro
Some eat to remember, some smash to forget. 2009msl.com
Mobius
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1268 Posts
September 18 2009 13:26 GMT
#7
Hmm.. I do 0sh9sh8sh7s6sh
do you use 2 hands for macro?
Entusman #51
geometryb
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States1249 Posts
September 18 2009 13:33 GMT
#8
maybe having 3 bases helps you win more than your apm?
Fallen33
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States596 Posts
September 18 2009 19:37 GMT
#9
On September 18 2009 22:33 geometryb wrote:
maybe having 3 bases helps you win more than your apm?



rofl gg
"Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." - Napoleon Bonaparte ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Achromic
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
773 Posts
September 18 2009 19:56 GMT
#10
On September 18 2009 16:53 FirstBorn wrote:
Maybe you should stop checking your apm after every replay. It'll just make you focus on increasing your apm the next game and you'll be less concentrated on the actually game.

Blah
StartAgain
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Japan52 Posts
September 18 2009 20:16 GMT
#11
On September 19 2009 04:56 Ryoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2009 16:53 FirstBorn wrote:
Maybe you should stop checking your apm after every replay. It'll just make you focus on increasing your apm the next game and you'll be less concentrated on the actually game.



This. I remember I used to spamwhore a lot and after every game, see if my APM reached a certain number. All of that means nothing, obviously. Without BWChart or trying very hard, I can easily reach 200 APM with less redundancy.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
September 18 2009 21:34 GMT
#12
I suspect your apm does this when you're playing worse players. You have less things to think about and do (because they're not really pressuring you) and you basically go into macro mode because you're bored and you don't need to devote hotkeys to macro because you attention is not constantly being forced elsewhere, so it's easier to just 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a9a0a

Maybe. Otherwise you just have a lot of bad habits when you play at a higher apm.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
ImNotBisu
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada142 Posts
September 18 2009 22:15 GMT
#13
When I offrace Z, I have hotkeys 8 9 0 for main hatch, 1 nat hatch, 1 expo hatch and double tap to screen hop to the general area. Then I just ctrl+click on a larva to morph everything.

Obviously, Jaedong has better macro with his 5sh6sh7sh8sh9sd0sd setup.

But my setup helped me get C with Z easy, as it gives you decent macro and very good micro.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
September 18 2009 22:32 GMT
#14
On September 19 2009 07:15 ImNotBisu wrote:
When I offrace Z, I have hotkeys 8 9 0 for main hatch, 1 nat hatch, 1 expo hatch and double tap to screen hop to the general area. Then I just ctrl+click on a larva to morph everything.

Obviously, Jaedong has better macro with his 5sh6sh7sh8sh9sd0sd setup.

But my setup helped me get C with Z easy, as it gives you decent macro and very good micro.

JD's hotkeys are actually a bit different from the "standard" ie he starts hatches from 4 etc
Moderator。◕‿◕。
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
SEL S2 Championship: Ro16
CranKy Ducklings127
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 144
ProTech112
RuFF_SC2 104
CosmosSc2 44
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 760
NaDa 73
Aegong 50
Purpose 20
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm106
League of Legends
JimRising 147
Counter-Strike
fl0m1650
Other Games
summit1g8965
shahzam920
Day[9].tv825
Sick487
C9.Mang0471
ViBE208
ToD185
Mew2King37
Vindicta12
ROOTCatZ10
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV38
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22000
League of Legends
• Doublelift4842
Other Games
• Day9tv825
Upcoming Events
LiuLi Cup
9h 35m
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs herO
Cure vs Rogue
Classic vs HeRoMaRinE
Cosmonarchy
14h 35m
OyAji vs Sziky
Sziky vs WolFix
WolFix vs OyAji
Big Brain Bouts
14h 35m
Iba vs GgMaChine
TriGGeR vs Bunny
Reynor vs Classic
Serral vs Clem
BSL Team Wars
17h 35m
Team Hawk vs Team Dewalt
BSL Team Wars
17h 35m
Team Hawk vs Team Bonyth
Code For Giants Cup
21h 5m
SC Evo League
1d 10h
TaeJa vs Cure
Rogue vs threepoint
ByuN vs Creator
MaNa vs Classic
Maestros of the Game
1d 14h
ShoWTimE vs Cham
GuMiho vs Ryung
Zoun vs Spirit
Rogue vs MaNa
[BSL 2025] Weekly
1d 16h
SC Evo League
2 days
[ Show More ]
Maestros of the Game
2 days
SHIN vs Creator
Astrea vs Lambo
Bunny vs SKillous
HeRoMaRinE vs TriGGeR
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Sziky
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Dewalt vs Team Sziky
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
LiuLi Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Maru vs SHIN
MaNa vs MaxPax
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
WardiTV Summer 2025
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
Acropolis #4 - TS1
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
EC S1
Sisters' Call Cup
Skyesports Masters 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.