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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
 No but seriously, Oneother is right, there is NO way Bisu is just using hold position, Cube your dumb. He is manually selecting 2 goons at a time and right clicking each mine near the goons. Whats impressive is that he is doing that with multiple pairs, all while microing the rest of his goons | ||
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A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
Who said that was standard? Show me more of that shit, it gave me a boner. | ||
KwarK
United States43271 Posts
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On August 30 2009 14:11 AzureEye wrote: Cube + Banzu are just bitter Terran users who hate seeing Toss micro No but seriously, Oneother is right, there is NO way Bisu is just using hold position, Cube your dumb. He is manually selecting 2 goons at a time and right clicking each mine near the goons. Whats impressive is that he is doing that with multiple pairs, all while microing the rest of his goons 1. Protoss player here (playing as Terran pisses me off to no end but I'm too lazy to switch the icon back) 2. I love bisu 3. :[ I want to see the FPVOD of this game | ||
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Postaljester
United States128 Posts
On August 30 2009 11:13 BanZu wrote: As much as I hate this post, I agree that it looks like it was just moving away from mines and allowing his goons to do the work. I doubt that there was any microing specifically on the mines. auto attack from goons targets vultures not mines. i know you terran hate toss, but give the man some credit it was really sick to watch. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On August 30 2009 15:22 Postaljester wrote: auto attack from goons targets vultures not mines. i know you terran hate toss, but give the man some credit it was really sick to watch. Correct. Plus Dragoons are some of the dumbest units... after gols. You gotta manually target anyway even if there were no vults/tanks in the area cause they just randomly fire if you hold position. :\ Sick micro. | ||
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Epicfailguy
Norway893 Posts
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
On August 30 2009 15:37 Epicfailguy wrote: Dont they see mines as a fighting unit, and attack it couse its closest? this is an interesting question. I'm pretty sure that units prioritize targets based on their size, biggest targets being targeted first, ie why ultras are so good because they absorb all the damage and then the cracklings do the dps. but I'm not sure though. as someone said, goons prioritize vultures over mines, but I'm not sure if it's because mines are small or if mines are considered "buildings". ohh the mysteries of the starcraft engine.. | ||
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On August 30 2009 15:22 Postaljester wrote: auto attack from goons targets vultures not mines. i know you terran hate toss, but give the man some credit it was really sick to watch. You're going to have to refer to my previous post. Also, I don't see why a Terran player that hates Protoss would say that Bisu didn't manually target those mines. I mean, I can kinda see the logic? T hates P and wants to justify his hate by saying that P is easy? But seriously, that's just stupid and absurd. But thanks for informing me about goons auto-targeting vultures, not mines. That's makes the video so much more crazy On August 30 2009 15:49 lazz wrote: this is an interesting question. I'm pretty sure that units prioritize targets based on their size, biggest targets being targeted first, ie why ultras are so good because they absorb all the damage and then the cracklings do the dps. but I'm not sure though. as someone said, goons prioritize vultures over mines, but I'm not sure if it's because mines are small or if mines are considered "buildings". ohh the mysteries of the starcraft engine.. Uh, I don't think so. If I'm not mistaken, I believe it's whatever is in range and then whatever is the threat. So dragoons a-moving into tanks and floating buildings will first attack the building. When the tanks start firing, the goons being hit will attack the tanks whereas those not hit will continue firing at the building. That's why you have to make sure you send it your ultras first and your zerglings afterward. Your opponent's units aren't going to target the ultras for you. | ||
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AlwaysGG
Taiwan952 Posts
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
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ThunderGod
New Zealand897 Posts
xellos mine snipe more impressive imo | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
Don't be ignorant haters. Respect the play. | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On August 30 2009 15:53 BanZu wrote: You're going to have to refer to my previous post. Also, I don't see why a Terran player that hates Protoss would say that Bisu didn't manually target those mines. I mean, I can kinda see the logic? T hates P and wants to justify his hate by saying that P is easy? But seriously, that's just stupid and absurd. But thanks for informing me about goons auto-targeting vultures, not mines. That's makes the video so much more crazy Uh, I don't think so. If I'm not mistaken, I believe it's whatever is in range and then whatever is the threat. So dragoons a-moving into tanks and floating buildings will first attack the building. When the tanks start firing, the goons being hit will attack the tanks whereas those not hit will continue firing at the building. That's why you have to make sure you send it your ultras first and your zerglings afterward. Your opponent's units aren't going to target the ultras for you. StarCraft is a program. You have to think of the Dragoon's actions as a program. Here are your conditionals, in basic English: 1) If there is a unit in the Dragoon's range, it will stop and attack (assuming hold position or a-move or patrol). 2) If there are two units in the Dragoon's range, it will stop and attack the unit with higher priority (marine over scv, vulture over mine). 3) If there are two units in the Dragoon's range, it will stop and attack the unit which is closer. Buildings get hit first because they enter the Dragoon's range before the Terran units do, which means that Protoss has to manually bring the Dragoons within range of the Terran army. Another thing to note is that they will also not be able to just a-move the Dragoons behind the front row as well, because they will also stop for the building. This conveniently puts them into the sieged Tank range, as you all know. QED, Bisu micro'd the goons intentionally, especially if you note the amount of shots that he generally used per mine (2), which is the minimum. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On August 30 2009 19:23 Djabanete wrote: Not enough Flash love in this thread, his mine placement was goddamn amazing. Bisu and Flash both showed extraordinary unit control in that game. did you notice the flash grin in the end? His build would've did so much more damage if bisu did not have the mine sniping skills. God damn, i bet flash was thinking "fuck his goon micro too good" | ||
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ffswowsucks
Greece2297 Posts
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GoSu
Korea (South)1773 Posts
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
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