To be fair, maps are way too big, giving an early advantage to Zergs without any contest. On top of that, as a protoss, you need to constantly slow down zerg 's ramp up otherwise they will get to that ultimate combo bl/infestors and there will be nothing you can do. It feels like WoL, clock is ticking and you have to play 5x better than the zerg who has to press s/d.

Also quite disgusting to see players like Showtime or Heromarine sometimes losing to players with 300 MMR less than them just cuz a fungal lands or some sort of bullshit happens in the game although they were dominating the game pretty convincingly.

Ej_

47656 Posts

October 13 2019 13:13 GMT

Where's "all of the above"?

Kitai

United States880 Posts

October 13 2019 19:30 GMT

I think overlord speed is too important to nerf since all matchups should allow players to make decisions based on scouting, but the other three options are all pretty big problems. Personally, I think one of the voting options should just be "infestors" instead of "brood lord-infestor".

Dedraterllaerau

113 Posts

October 13 2019 19:46 GMT

Nydus is part of the problem with BL infestor, it so easy to abuse to buy time to reach endgame.

ZigguratOfUr

Iraq16955 Posts

October 13 2019 19:53 GMT

My answer would be both infestors and nydus, but not necessarily broodlords.

aksfjh

United States4853 Posts

October 13 2019 20:54 GMT

On October 14 2019 04:30 Kitai wrote:
I think overlord speed is too important to nerf since all matchups should allow players to make decisions based on scouting, but the other three options are all pretty big problems. Personally, I think one of the voting options should just be "infestors" instead of "brood lord-infestor".

I think there should be a distinction between "all matchups should allow players to make decisions based on scouting" and "all matchups should allow players to counter all strategies based on scouting." The idea behind overlord speed being too great is that Zerg has amazing flexibility and there is a potential danger that one can adapt to any strategy assuming they've followed some pretty standard choices and executed them well earlier in the game. If that is truly the case, then it should be addressed, meaning overlord characteristics would be a candidate for balance changes (as well as many other core Zerg mechanics).

sneakyfox

8216 Posts

October 13 2019 21:24 GMT

On October 13 2019 22:13 Ej_ wrote:
Where's "all of the above"?

MarianoSC2

Slovakia1855 Posts

October 14 2019 17:42 GMT

#10

On October 14 2019 04:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
My answer would be both infestors and nydus, but not necessarily broodlords.

Broodlord has a range bug, which should have been fixed long ago

Bahajinbo

Germany488 Posts

October 15 2019 12:27 GMT

#11

On October 13 2019 22:13 Ej_ wrote:
Where's "all of the above"?

This.

Granas1

15 Posts

October 15 2019 12:36 GMT

#12

If you nerf the nydus, zerg will still go for the late game. If you go for the Infestor (and BL), zerg will still abuse the fuck off the Nydus.

ZigguratOfUr

Iraq16955 Posts

October 15 2019 19:08 GMT

#13

On October 15 2019 02:42 MarianoSC2 wrote:

Show nested quote +

Broodlord has a range bug, which should have been fixed long ago

I am aware of the bug, but even so I see infestors as being the most awful part of the composition design-wise. If infestors were suitably nerfed, I don't think leaving the bug/micro-trick in would be that big of a deal.

BronzeKnee

United States5219 Posts

October 15 2019 23:23 GMT

#14

Broodlord/Infestor... is this 2011?

We've lived with this for 8 years and yet Blizzard hasn't fixed it...

nojok

France15846 Posts

October 16 2019 08:36 GMT

#15

Where is the option "No problem, zerg players are just more skilled"?

Howard_Kao

China261 Posts

October 17 2019 01:39 GMT

#16

I personally think that there's no problem with broodlord, but infestor only, also nydus seems to be a big issue after seeing rogue's final that I didn't find out before