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How has the hellion/hellbat change affected the Terran vs Zerg match-up? :

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TheBloodyDwarf Finland7524 Posts June 18 2014 17:43 GMT #1 Match up quite balanced I would say

Qwertify United States2531 Posts June 18 2014 18:52 GMT #2 The answer choices are a bit jarring - because there seems to be a presumed context here that they do not account for and are too general. This just comes back to a question of balance again - nothing more. As far as I can see, from what people say on the ladder, what is going in Code S and other tournaments, Protoss and Zerg currently look like the strongest races in HotS. Nevertheless, when you see Taeja dominate the competition, and you see Maru get to the semi-finals, you have to say that, if Terran is underpowered, it is very minimal, and almost all cases - win or loss is decided by skill rather than this small imbalance; whats more, is that every race has the tools they need to overcome the other two races regardless of strategy. For the poll I must vote that the match-up is balanced, for in practical purposes it is.

FrostedMiniWheats United States30730 Posts June 18 2014 19:11 GMT #3 Hard to say this soon. I suppose it feels balanced so far.

TronJovolta United States323 Posts June 18 2014 19:37 GMT #4 double post

TronJovolta United States323 Posts June 18 2014 19:37 GMT #5 Zerg definitely still seems favored slightly late game, at least in the current meta and map pool. I think it's mostly because bio is just so damn figured out and is continually getting weaker, not necessarily because of the true balance.

yido United States350 Posts June 18 2014 20:27 GMT #6 This poll should be remade as: Is Taeja vs foreign zergs fair? TvZ is fairly balanced in the highest level of play, but still favors Zerg slightly on most maps and even more in the late game stage. Just because Taeja won HSC and DHack doesn't mean Zergs need a buff in ZvT.

NKexquisite United States911 Posts June 18 2014 20:51 GMT #7 Terran lacks an effective AOE unit vs Zerg in the mid and late game which gives Zerg a slight advantage at that point in the game. As soon as Zergs realize they can't continue going 3 fast hatches off almost no-tech, the hellbat push will be something of the past. It's really not all that different from Zergs going for a fast roach attack off 2 bases vs Terran. You scout it and have defense or you die.

SpunXtain20 Australia554 Posts June 18 2014 21:40 GMT #8 Zerg is heavily favoured I believe. Why do they get 2 zerglings from one egg??? Unfair!

xxxKagexxx France43 Posts June 18 2014 22:45 GMT #9 got my stats up to 48% previous season got 60% i think it's balanced fact is zerg learnd to micro recently ? they just stoped to lose tone of gling on just two reaper that's a good thing maybe long for some 1 year to adapt maybe they need adapt faster next time ?

KadaverBB Germany25657 Posts June 18 2014 22:52 GMT #10 Looks pretty reasonable right now, judging by the amount of balance whine reports. There aren't that many. Protoss on the other hand!!!!! ...

TAMinator Australia2706 Posts June 19 2014 08:46 GMT #11 bit too early to call.

Fus Sweden1112 Posts June 19 2014 09:43 GMT #12 I feel like the zerg is slightly favored still, zerg needs to learn how to deal with hellbats and work on small details in micro and engagements etc since their gameplay has been fairly simple.

JacobShock Denmark2485 Posts June 19 2014 11:44 GMT #13 I would say very late game zerg is a little bit favored, but not much.

Rikudou Germany151 Posts June 19 2014 15:03 GMT #14 i think there is no balance issue anymore but the patch made ZvT horrible... all about hellbat timings and 2base builds, wich decides the game early on. the games end with a zerg with like 20 drones or a terran with late upgrades and late stim etc that's it actually.. this reminds me more and more to ZvP and not the cool ZvT that we know

diverzee Sweden992 Posts June 19 2014 15:07 GMT #15 Zerg still feels really strong in the late game. My own experiences as a platinum zerg are not worth much, but I think the pro games we watch paint a similar picture. All zergs seem to reach the mid stages of the game with three bases, melee and carapace upgrades, spire + air attack, baneling speed and overlord speed. If I understood correctly the idea behind the hellbat change was to make it more difficult for zerg to reach that advantageous position in the late game, but instead of doing that it just seems to either outright kill the zerg immediately, or do nothing and zerg still reaches the late game with all bases and tech necessary.

mykillandjello United States29 Posts June 19 2014 16:22 GMT #16 Gives Terran an edge with the initial push once 1/1 finishes. Late game is still slightly in Zerg's favor but not by much. If the Terran can keep the Zerg from reaching the 3 base midgame as early as they have been lately Terrans will definitely have the edge going into the late game thus leveling the playing field. But as usual 70% of the "balance" issues come from players not discovering new strategies that will counter the new obvious ones that come into being as a result of a patch. Moral of the story, be more innovative and try new things! :D

Shuffleblade Sweden1903 Posts June 19 2014 16:29 GMT #17 At the moment terran is favored until the meta has stabilised but that's the way it is with all patches. It takes a while before it sinks in, at the moment balance is in a good place while zero is trying to adapt.

nobot87 United States23 Posts June 19 2014 16:59 GMT #18 As a terran player, it seems like Z has been slightly under-powered against T lately. Every time I lose to a zerg or when I see a pro zerg win zvt, it's because the terran made a huuuge mistake.

MtlGuitarist97 United States1539 Posts June 19 2014 19:21 GMT #19 Let me explain my answer, because I do not feel that Terran is actually favored in TvZ but I voted that. Terran is heavily favored in the short time that Hellbats can do any damage. After that point, Terran is slightly favored until ~25 mutalisks. After that, Terran is even or behind until 3-3. After that, Terran is ahead until Zerg gets out hive tech. If the Zerg manages to not die before they get out ultra/infestor or whatever counters the Terran's composition, they usually will win. Certain maps are more skewed toward Terran than other maps (King Sejong comes to mind), but on the whole the matchup is *decently* balanced from an asymmetric standpoint. However, I'd like to see many more changes to the matchup in LotV and will probably not return if it doesn't get a major fundamental reworking.

Survivor61316 United States470 Posts June 19 2014 20:09 GMT #20 Well all I know is that I spent 4 seasons playing Terran and was only ever able to make it to gold, and in my first season as Zerg I made it to platinum within 30 games..

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