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TLnet Poll - Which map and matchup has historically been t…

Which map and matchup has historically been the most imbalanced? (All maps have a min. 10 games in that mu) :

Mercury, PvT (189)29%
Enter the Dragon. ZvT (185)28%
Neo Forte, ZvP (105)16%
R-Point, TvZ (104)16%
Sin Gaema Gowon, PvT (69)11%

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pat777
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States356 Posts
July 15 2007 09:50 GMT
#1
Voted Mercury PvT but I don't know any stats. I just read some Reach writing that said Reach succeeded even though mercury was imbalanced.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
July 15 2007 09:58 GMT
#2
wasnt mercury awful for PvZ ?
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LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
July 15 2007 10:08 GMT
#3
Voted R-Point, looks like a TvZ map even though i haven't played it much.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
July 15 2007 10:13 GMT
#4
Fuckury.
-Groove
Profile Joined July 2007
34 Posts
July 15 2007 10:16 GMT
#5
I voted Forte, because island maps suck for ZvP.
If I am thinking of the wrong map and Forte isnt an island map?
Oh well, oops.
-Groove
dementus
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Singapore1151 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-15 13:04:40
July 15 2007 10:28 GMT
#6
wow, these maps were all used before i watched progaming. since the beleagured toss users are very vocal about map imbas, i've heard a lot about mercury. reach went quite far (3rd place iirc) in the ever osl despite it being in the map pool.

however, this is probably yet another treacherous mani poll, and mercury's definitely not the answer. he's relying on mercury's infamy to steer us away from the right answer. (but i voted for it anyway -_-)

oh, and was enter the dragon an old school map?
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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
July 15 2007 10:30 GMT
#7
Progaming incident thread mentions "Fuckury" so that's what I voted for.
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MuShu
Profile Joined March 2005
United States3223 Posts
July 15 2007 10:32 GMT
#8
I think Mercury, becuase I remember reading somewhere that it was grossly imbalanced.
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
July 15 2007 10:40 GMT
#9
ETD or R-Point
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Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
July 15 2007 10:54 GMT
#10
anything with protoss being overpowered in the map is automatically wrong
Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
July 15 2007 11:16 GMT
#11
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Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
July 15 2007 11:25 GMT
#12
On July 15 2007 19:16 -Groove wrote:
I voted Forte, because island maps suck for ZvP.
If I am thinking of the wrong map and Forte isnt an island map?
Oh well, oops.

yea it's the wrong map. Forte isn't island. It's the 4 player map with insanely small mains and a nat that has 3 minerals above and 3 minerals below.
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Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
July 15 2007 11:30 GMT
#13
mercury was terribly imbalanced PvZ but i don't recall the PvT being that unreasonable... then again there were so few Ps due to the PvZ problem

neo forte had plenty of great zvp games that i don't remember it being super imba, gaema was pretty balanced, r-point was a little off but not terribly so

i don't remember much about Enter the Dragon so maybe that was it ;O
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CustomXSpunjah
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1093 Posts
July 15 2007 11:59 GMT
#14
ETD baby
beware, the rise of the Protoss is upon us!
fEAthEr
Profile Joined July 2004
Canada482 Posts
July 15 2007 12:54 GMT
#15
yea...jesus..doesnt anyone remember the 100's of enter the dragon cheese terran could pull?
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
July 15 2007 13:40 GMT
#16
Im thinking Mercury and ETD, but I dont know what ETD looks like :X
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13005 Posts
July 15 2007 13:44 GMT
#17
I went ETD ZvT, but where was Mercury for PvZ?

Did a protoss ever win a PvZ on that map in competitive play?
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
July 15 2007 14:02 GMT
#18
ughhhhh ETD ZvT by a mile

god that shit is hard
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-15 14:18:06
July 15 2007 14:17 GMT
#19
All I remember is having no idea how to play ZvT on ETD, back in like PGT season 1. And back when ETD was played, Terrans played off 1 base anyway, so I imagine that a map that favors 1 base play would be even more T-friendly. I wouldn't be surprised if Mercury is hard to play PvT, but I'm sure the insane PvZ weeded out toss players enough such that only the very best were still alive to play PvT.

edit: Reach beat Yellow on Mercury, at least.
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-15 16:23:14
July 15 2007 14:19 GMT
#20
On July 15 2007 22:44 RowdierBob wrote:
I went ETD ZvT, but where was Mercury for PvZ?

Did a protoss ever win a PvZ on that map in competitive play?

ktf autumn (was it ktf autumn? there were two of them, the one im referring to retired) won a game on mercury. i think it was a long game with carriers, sairs and reavers (possibly against saferzerg, or one of the other zergs that have faded into obscurity).
then there was the EVER 3rd place decider between reach and yellow, the 5th game on mercury where reach stormed yellows entire army into dust then walked across the map and killed him

mercury was a pretty bad map all around. terran beat zerg and protoss on it just for playing terran, though pvz was by far the worst matchup to play on it.

ETD zvt was pretty ridiculous. what were the map makers thinking when they let that one go off into competitive play? i vote for this
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