EPTOn December 05 2022 05:38 Dan HH wrote:
I thought they decided years ago on option 1 already
I thought they decided years ago on option 1 already
The reporter actually says that option 1 is losing adepts, so option 2 is gaining ground
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
The reporter actually says that option 1 is losing adepts, so option 2 is gaining ground | ||
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aseq
Netherlands3993 Posts
Also, the 'some 3rd place teams advance' isn't great, very dependant on your group. But you want a power of 2 asap, you don't want 1st placed teams getting lots of resting time. Maybe a simple good way to add teams is to have groups of 5, still 2 teams advancing? | ||
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sharkie
Austria18569 Posts
On December 05 2022 06:07 WombaT wrote: I dunno, he’s bloody excellent but so are folks like Kane and Foden. Quite tasty squad they’ve got these days Without Bellingham England's midfield wouldnt work and then neither Kane nor Foden could do anything. Bellingham is the vital component of that team. Take him out of the game and England are back to their horrible losing form | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
It's exciting times for English new generation of players. But history is filled with false dawns (Walcott, Ali, Carroll, etc). Other countries have an abundance of exciting talents as well (Cody of the Netherlands, Gavi of Spain, Musiala of Germany, etc). To think that English talents will reach the top of the world above the rest is presumptious bordering hubris. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
And it's funny to see but Maguire is like england best player this World Cup lol, although he has yet to play a side with some quality players up front (Just USA with Pulisic) | ||
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justanothertownie
16321 Posts
On December 05 2022 20:01 Faruko wrote: Being presumptuous is kinda an English trait when it comes to football tbh, although this generation does feel a lot more "real". I finally see a generation that could actual live up to the hype. And it's funny to see but Maguire is like england best player this World Cup lol, although he has yet to play a side with some quality players up front (Just USA with Pulisic) Maguire vs. Mbappe has the potential to become a traumatic experience for England though. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On December 05 2022 05:43 Liquid`Drone wrote: How is option 2 different from option 3? If taken literally: -In the current 32 team structure, there are two "halves", groups A-D and E-H whose teammates cannot before the seminal (but are guaranteed to meet in the semis). In option 3 with a 12 group structure, you would also have 2 "halves", groups A-F and G-L, but no "crossover" in the seminals (or before). While in option 2, the finalists could come from any permutation of groups. -Also, regarding advancement of best 3rd placed teams, in option 3, would have to be among the best four 3rd placed teams out of six within your "half"; while in option 2, you would have to be among the eigh best 3rd places teams out of all twelve. For whatever FIFA has done wrong, imo option 2 would be less bad than option 1, which was the previously preferred option. So all else being equal, this is good news. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7040 Posts
But like you said, of the given options, option 2 is the best | ||
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sharkie
Austria18569 Posts
Sad thing is you cant even blame FIFA alone for it as UEFA did the same much earlier... | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28736 Posts
On December 05 2022 20:30 justanothertownie wrote: Maguire vs. Mbappe has the potential to become a traumatic experience for England though. If that's the duel then England dies. If it's more of a Kyle walker faces mbappe and Maguire duels with giroud to deal with mbappe's crosses, England has a fair shot. First team to score is obviously huge in general, but I think it'll be particularly important here. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On December 05 2022 10:30 WombaT wrote: I hope your USA/Arsenal jinxes don't apply to it coming home or not! But yeah England weren't great against the USA but have looked rather good so far, a large impediment is France are also looking rather tasty. Whoever loses that one I think you're seeing a potential finalist going home at the Ro8 stage just based on how the draw has panned out In that case I shall cheer for France lol | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On December 05 2022 21:58 sharkie wrote: The are going to destroy the world cup like they destroyed the EUROs... Sad thing is you cant even blame FIFA alone for it as UEFA did the same much earlier... The Euros feels like the expansion, while diluting the pure quality could just about be accommodated alright. Got some great moments in the editions since that change, Wales having that deep run, Iceland turfing England out etc. Ireland North and South getting to make a tournament appearance while not disgracing themselves. I think there are clear benefits to the older format too, but I don’t think those changes have made the Euros that much less compelling | ||
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sharkie
Austria18569 Posts
Wales and Iceland are nice stories but we did have them before in Euros with Greece, Turkey, Denmark,... This world cup really showed why groups of 4 with only 2 advancing makes for great football. Teams sometimes need to go for the win | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On December 05 2022 20:01 Faruko wrote: Being presumptuous is kinda an English trait when it comes to football tbh, although this generation does feel a lot more "real". I finally see a generation that could actual live up to the hype. And it's funny to see but Maguire is like england best player this World Cup lol, although he has yet to play a side with some quality players up front (Just USA with Pulisic) It’s way less than it used to be. The English, by and large got burned too many times by overhyping and went almost in the opposite direction. Prior to a few standout performances expectations were actually pretty low on what Southgate and his charges would deliver. I’m not exactly reticent to point out English hubris when I see it but actually I find they almost underrate what they’ve got these days. By and large, of course exceptions do exist. You’ll find a bunch saying Kane is overrated despite any objective analysis having him down as one of the best number 9s out there (and definitely the best link-man). Or Foden not being as good as his rating, despite Pep Guardiola raving about him for years. Or Bellingham being talented but ‘only doing it Germany’ (without looking at his CL performances) It’s painful to admit but I don’t think by and large the old English arrogance really surrounds this side, for whatever reason. | ||
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justanothertownie
16321 Posts
On December 05 2022 21:59 Liquid`Drone wrote: If that's the duel then England dies. If it's more of a Kyle walker faces mbappe and Maguire duels with giroud to deal with mbappe's crosses, England has a fair shot. First team to score is obviously huge in general, but I think it'll be particularly important here. Yeah, I also expect Walker to have to deal with him. The question is how consistent that can be done throughout the game. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On December 05 2022 20:01 Faruko wrote: Being presumptuous is kinda an English trait when it comes to football tbh, although this generation does feel a lot more "real". I finally see a generation that could actual live up to the hype. And it's funny to see but Maguire is like england best player this World Cup lol, although he has yet to play a side with some quality players up front (Just USA with Pulisic) Pulisic is yet another example of an over-hyped talent. The new 'Landon Donovan'. It's amazing how fast and far Sancho has fallen. His name totally slipped my mind until now. Just goes to show how transient and fragile the careers of young stars can be. But don't get me wrong. I'm really supportive of the Bellinghams of the world and hope for their success. Just frustrated how all the hype often messes up with their minds. Give these kids time and space to grow. There's really no need to proclaim any of them as the next Messi or Zidane. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On December 05 2022 22:52 RKC wrote: Pulisic is yet another example of an over-hyped talent. The new 'Landon Donovan'. It's amazing how fast and far Sancho has fallen. His name totally slipped my mind until now. Just goes to show how transient and fragile the careers of young stars can be. But don't get me wrong. I'm really supportive of the Bellinghams of the world and hope for their success. Just frustrated how all the hype often messes up with their minds. Give these kids time and space to grow. There's really no need to proclaim any of them as the next Messi or Zidane. Excuse me, "over-hyped talent?" I'll have you know that he's the LeBron James of soccer and has been compared to Messi and Ronaldo | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On December 05 2022 22:50 WombaT wrote: It’s way less than it used to be. The English, by and large got burned too many times by overhyping and went almost in the opposite direction. Prior to a few standout performances expectations were actually pretty low on what Southgate and his charges would deliver. I’m not exactly reticent to point out English hubris when I see it but actually I find they almost underrate what they’ve got these days. By and large, of course exceptions do exist. You’ll find a bunch saying Kane is overrated despite any objective analysis having him down as one of the best number 9s out there (and definitely the best link-man). Or Foden not being as good as his rating, despite Pep Guardiola raving about him for years. Or Bellingham being talented but ‘only doing it Germany’ (without looking at his CL performances) It’s painful to admit but I don’t think by and large the old English arrogance really surrounds this side, for whatever reason. I'm impressed how much Kane has developed from a pure striker to a semi-false nine. I once couldn't understand why Pep coveted him that much. It's now becoming clear that Pep saw something dynamic in Kane that could've fit into the Man City system. Kane is one of the rare English talents that have aged like wine and unafraid to transition to new roles (just like Rooney). That's why I'm hoping that he earns a big move to a European top team like Barca or Bayern (sorry, no offence meant, Spurs fans!). | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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