EPTThe functions of this site are awesome (TLPD <3 / Calendar) but honestly it is UGLY. (am I banned now?) Keep the banner but at least change the colorset.
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HanN00b
Germany1441 Posts
The functions of this site are awesome (TLPD <3 / Calendar) but honestly it is UGLY. (am I banned now?) Keep the banner but at least change the colorset. | ||
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tiffany
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pooper-scooper
United States3108 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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DeadVessel
United States6269 Posts
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
i think some 'web 2.0-iffying' could be in order (judging by ken's post it's probably already in planning / development) | ||
Chill
Calgary25995 Posts
On August 13 2008 05:33 Kennigit wrote: There are no plans to ever change anything about TL's look. Ever. Definitely never going to happen. You heard it here first. Although intended to be sarcastic, this is closer to canon than sarcasm. | ||
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paper
13196 Posts
Can TL at least fix the banner so the font doesn't have missing holes and is more professional? Maybe a higher quality banner of the same picture? I'm sure Jim Warren can hook it up :d | ||
thedeadhaji
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OhThatDang
United States4685 Posts
but i like it the way it is i mean look at liquidpoker now that colors ugly | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
to be honest the only thing i would do is make the banner higher quality. | ||
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
but keeping it like this is good too. simple, easy to read. Somehow, i feel that if the whole layout changes, it wouldn't feel like tl.net anymore =( even though all the people and the forums would be the same | ||
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
On August 13 2008 15:56 OhThatDang wrote: lol maybe if they had some option where you can change the color of TL as u want it to be but i like it the way it is i mean look at liquidpoker now that colors ugly yeah, what about some kind of allowing custom css to be set in the options thing or something | ||
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HanN00b
Germany1441 Posts
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useLess
United States4781 Posts
but the navigation for this site is great as it is; i wouldnt change that at all. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Highways
Australia6105 Posts
Also there should be a slogan like "premier starcraft community" or something like that, that is clearly visible. Because I know alot of new sc fans end up coming across TL but dont know what the site is and does. Make it so when new visitors come across it they know its a starcraft site. Because another misconception is that the site is a clan forum. And a 'about us' page will also be good. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On August 13 2008 06:06 Chill wrote: Although intended to be sarcastic, this is closer to canon than sarcasm. Canon? What? | ||
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/1451/lolnn8.jpg) looks kind of bad? i think it would look much cleaner without the zigzag, and just a straight diagonal cut, or if they just made the whole banner into a rectangle with corners on all sides =S but then again that's just me haha | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
![[image loading]](/staff/Plexa/Image6.png) | ||
Mynock
4492 Posts
How many times have I talked about this (redesign) with Naz, and the common public theme always seems to be to keep the status quo. | ||
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
this is a screenshot i took 10 years ago when i used to be a mod: ![[image loading]](http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/5305/lmaouj9.jpg) as you can see, it was removed for obvious reasons (*cough cough* too much abuse *cough cough*) | ||
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Texas
Germany2388 Posts
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Xeofreestyler
Belgium6774 Posts
On August 24 2008 20:00 BlueRoyaL wrote: plexa lies this is a screenshot i took 10 years ago when i used to be a mod: as you can see, it was removed for obvious reasons (*cough cough* too much abuse *cough cough*) Think of the adrenaline rush when you'd click that! | ||
semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
On August 13 2008 05:33 Kennigit wrote: There are no plans to ever change anything about TL's look. Ever. Definitely never going to happen. You heard it here first. ROFL!! I've come to believe this myself as well. | ||
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
On August 25 2008 03:23 Xeofreestyler wrote: Think of the adrenaline rush when you'd click that! i know!!! hahahaha what if you ended up randomly banning like mani or something, gg to yourself ;D | ||
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XCetron
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zatic
Zurich15363 Posts
On August 24 2008 20:00 BlueRoyaL wrote: plexa lies this is a screenshot i took 10 years ago when i used to be a mod: as you can see, it was removed for obvious reasons (*cough cough* too much abuse *cough cough*) Yeah, that was actually what happened to haji. | ||
MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
Perhaps add some gradients, shadows, slight 3D effects etc. One good example where TL looks a bit like programmers art is the top navigation bar. A slight 3D effect and a better seperator could help there. TL is currently using a | sign as a seperator there. I think of something similar to the following: ![[image loading]](http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5553/navbarrg9.png) Of course in the current TL colortheme and the current size. The Q in the banner should be fixed. And I think the font would look better if the letters where completely enclosed by the lines. The postheaders could use a 3D effect. The completly monochorme darkblue lines enclosing everything could also be replaced by something a bit fancier. | ||
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Xeofreestyler
Belgium6774 Posts
We'd end up looking like every other gamingsite which has been pre-digested and barfed out again ;( Seriously there is nothing wrong with the way TL looks. It might look 'crappy' but its has fitted the site perfectly and if people are scared away by something as superficial as that I seriously dont give a shit about them not hanging around. Its the same as people saying they didnt wanna give sc a shot because the graphics were bad. Jeez. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On August 26 2008 03:21 Xeofreestyler wrote: ThisWhy does everyone want a 'fancy' design? We'd end up looking like every other gamingsite which has been pre-digested and barfed out again ;( Seriously there is nothing wrong with the way TL looks. It might look 'crappy' but its has fitted the site perfectly and if people are scared away by something as superficial as that I seriously dont give a shit about them not hanging around. Its the same as people saying they didnt wanna give sc a shot because the graphics were bad. Jeez. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15363 Posts
Yeah I always liked the design too. Yet the site navigation and organization definitely needs improvement imho. But that's only me. So basically, what Kennigit said. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On August 26 2008 03:21 Xeofreestyler wrote: Why does everyone want a 'fancy' design? We'd end up looking like every other gamingsite which has been pre-digested and barfed out again ;( Seriously there is nothing wrong with the way TL looks. It might look 'crappy' but its has fitted the site perfectly and if people are scared away by something as superficial as that I seriously dont give a shit about them not hanging around. Its the same as people saying they didnt wanna give sc a shot because the graphics were bad. Jeez. The site does need to be updated though. We don't have a cohesive banner, no TeamLiquid logo, the fixed-width site is becoming increasingly a hassle (because we still have to cater to legacy resolutions since SC is such an old game), the columns on the left and right are approaching critical mass length, there's still other links that would be helpful on top that aren't there (Gallery, for instance), etc. It's not about the look, it's functionality in preparation for SC2. (and I'm not trying to be harsh - I'm just being honest, from my perspective as a web designer) | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
 none of that is ever going to changeaccept it grinq!! ACCEPT IT!!!! | ||
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semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
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Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
On August 28 2008 09:31 GrandInquisitor wrote: The site does need to be updated though. We don't have a cohesive banner, no TeamLiquid logo, the fixed-width site is becoming increasingly a hassle (because we still have to cater to legacy resolutions since SC is such an old game), the columns on the left and right are approaching critical mass length, there's still other links that would be helpful on top that aren't there (Gallery, for instance), etc. It's not about the look, it's functionality in preparation for SC2. (and I'm not trying to be harsh - I'm just being honest, from my perspective as a web designer) I can't agree more with this. And people seem to think that if the site was to be redesigned that a) it would be completely different, b) would lose simplicity and c) would look like gg.net (as if that was the only alternative to our current layout). It's very possible to avoid a) b) and c) with a new design. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
still has to feel like TL | ||
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Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
On August 28 2008 21:58 Plexa wrote: you forgot d yo still has to feel like TL Haha good point. Still possible | ||
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semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
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sith
United States2474 Posts
On August 26 2008 03:21 Xeofreestyler wrote: Why does everyone want a 'fancy' design? We'd end up looking like every other gamingsite which has been pre-digested and barfed out again ;( Seriously there is nothing wrong with the way TL looks. It might look 'crappy' but its has fitted the site perfectly and if people are scared away by something as superficial as that I seriously dont give a shit about them not hanging around. Its the same as people saying they didnt wanna give sc a shot because the graphics were bad. Jeez. FTW. I like the way TL looks forum-wise more than any other I've visited. Lets keep it this way. | ||
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LonelyMargarita
1845 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tlnetforumsvi8.jpg) It's much easier on my eyes with the colors separating the different sections. On an unrelated matter, there's way too many stickies in SC2. Six stickies and four non-stickies in the forum view looks funny.  Aside from all that, when the site is redesigned, or goes through changes like when we added the gradients to the borders, we need to remember one thing most gaming sites overlook: You need black text on a light grey background for a site to be usable for long periods of time (like it is right now). Dark colors and dramatic contrast (especially light text on dark background) strains your eyes and just makes me not use a site. I'm sure whoever changes anything already knows this, I just wanted to repeat it as long as I was posting a suggested change. EDIT: now animated: ![[image loading]](http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tlnetforumsani2ky9.gif) | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
On August 26 2008 03:21 Xeofreestyler wrote: Why does everyone want a 'fancy' design? We'd end up looking like every other gamingsite which has been pre-digested and barfed out again ;( Seriously there is nothing wrong with the way TL looks. It might look 'crappy' but its has fitted the site perfectly and if people are scared away by something as superficial as that I seriously dont give a shit about them not hanging around. Its the same as people saying they didnt wanna give sc a shot because the graphics were bad. Jeez. Why do you want to keep a design that looks pre-1999? Are you afraid that a re-design would utterly destroy TL, attract superficial people or what? Design does also address the structure of the website, the links, sections etc but apparently the evolutionists are too few.  Then, there is the issue of updating the visual elements of the site. Did you find the Razer TSL website too fancy? Or barfed out? It was clean and simple but did look way fresher. Personally, I don't think websites such as gg.net (ugly), mymym (overload) or the likes are the way TL should look like. I guess the main issue is evolution instead of revolution. TL grows, adds content, creates the TSL and we will see what comes next, so thinking about the layout, design, structure to be adjusted to future demands is not a bad thing. The TL look-and-feel is something very special and everybody is used to but that doesn't mean that the current (visual) design should be set in stone. In my opinion there is definitely room for improvement. | ||
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Highways
Australia6105 Posts
wow that looks good | ||
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Nebula
England780 Posts
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meathook
1289 Posts
On August 26 2008 18:44 zatic wrote: Yeah I always liked the design too. Yet the site navigation and organization definitely needs improvement imho. But that's only me. So basically, what Kennigit said. True. Even if more navigation options are needed, they can be added without actually changing the design, e.g. by using drop-down menus. The design of a site is not just eye-candy but also a message of what kind of site it is. For instance, when I see TL, I think that this site is about content, not pretty graphics, etc. It has a simple and intelligent layout that is easily navigated, the colour-scheme is easy on the eyes and makes reading it ... easy. The only thing that needs a redesign here is the VOD tracker, as it looks like it is a work in progress. Beyond that... maybe some new thread icons that better indicate the state of the thread (sticky, locked, popular, etc) and the high res. banner would be nice too. | ||
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GEKKO
Denmark12 Posts
I would hope that TL would get reshaped by an actual professional web designer one of these days. As of now its almost as bad as Clanbase and the ESL site to view :S | ||
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zatic
Zurich15363 Posts
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Noam
Israel2209 Posts
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
As for GEKKO's "feedback", I personally really like TL's design. It could be viewed as "archaic", but we're in an era where most video game fora have black-on-black color schemes and/or massively annoying avatar and signature permissions; TeamLiquid really is a breath of fresh air from all that. It's not at all difficult to find anything you could possibly need in a span of several minutes, either. I think the problem is with you, good sir. I mean no disrespect, of course, but if hundreds of thousands of users visit TeamLiquid every day with seemingly no complaints, then maybe you're the one who needs to brush up on their browsing skills. Can you give me an example of what sort of news or information you've attempted to find, and gave up in favor of Google? I've only been in very few situations where I couldn't find exactly what I wanted to find within a couple of minutes at most, and that's because I don't know the website inside and out like a coder or an admin would. | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On August 21 2012 19:13 GEKKO wrote: I hate the current design of TL. It is horribly difficult to find what you are looking for and I rarely use the site of the same reason. Just logging in to make this post took me 30 sec to find where they have put the login. There are way too much information spread across the page and the eyes get lost in it immediately. Often I go here for a piece of news, spend like a minute desperately navigating around trying to find it, and then leave the page to google it in stead. I would hope that TL would get reshaped by an actual professional web designer one of these days. As of now its almost as bad as Clanbase and the ESL site to view :S Weird, I've never had this experience of TL. It's quite possible that that's just because I spend a ridiculous amount of time browsing TL without actually posting. To address your more specific points: 1. Just logging in to make this post took me 30 sec to find where they have put the login I think I fail to understand this particular grievance; were you unable to find the login bar at the top left? It's been there for some time. It was recently changed somewhat, I believe, but nevertheless Occam's razor should of told you to check there first anyway. 2. There are way too much information spread across the page and the eyes get lost in it immediately. Not if you know what you're looking for, or what you typically look for. Often, the New Threads page can be helpful if you just logged on and want to catch up. If there are any other significant pieces of news, they're not hard to find in the Community News section or, if they're not confirmed/rumors, maybe in the SC2 general section. If the piece of news you were looking for was older than easily findable in community news/top of SC2 general, then searching for some key words should help, but using the search engine well comes with experience, too. New threads page: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/new.php | ||
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