US Politics Feedback Thread - Page 178

On August 07 2018 03:26 KwarK wrote:
This still isn’t as good as the time Trump tweeted SEE YOU IN COURT at a court, but it’s close.

On August 07 2018 05:47 zlefin wrote:
I'm in favor of definitive mod action to address this issue. no pussyfooting around and avoiding it; face it head on and deal with it thoroughly.

On August 07 2018 05:55 Dangermousecatdog wrote:

I agree. They should definitively ban Kwark, before xdaunt goes and shoot tofucake.

On August 07 2018 06:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's probably a talking point from wherever xdaunt gets his news from. Every now and then you get strange phrases and arguments where you can pinpoint where an idea has come from like "remoaner" or "UK knife epidemic", but usually the poster themselves have no idea where he got the idea from originally.

I am sure that more astute observers can identify certain sources of my media consumption from curious phrases I may use as well.

On August 07 2018 08:00 Plexa wrote:
Back to politics everyone, move along.

On August 07 2018 08:00 Plexa wrote:
Back to politics everyone, move along.

On August 07 2018 13:17 RvB wrote:

Is it possible to get an answer to my initial question if a mod calling someone a Nazi will have consequences?

On August 07 2018 13:17 RvB wrote:

Is it possible to get an answer to my initial question if a mod calling someone a Nazi will have consequences?

On August 07 2018 06:30 GreenHorizons wrote:


If I wanted to speculate I'd say it's the natural procession coming after "being mean to me made me a Nazi" we've seen out of everywhere from NYT to WP.

The biggest liberal publications in the country gave people on the right free reign to turn people pointing out the inhumanity of their policy prescriptions into legitimate reasons to support the inhumane policy and react violently.

By making ANTIFA and "Proud Boys" two sides of the same coin (they aren't) it's just "two violent sides" as opposed to people advocating genocide and people not taking it lying down.

The "some people just get a gun and shoot people in this situation" is their not so veiled threat that white guys are going to increasingly become terrorists in response to not politely letting them advocate for genocide (or ethnic cleansing) in the political discourse.

President Trump angrily denounced the so-called alt-left at a news conference on Tuesday, claiming that the group attacked followers of the so-called alt-right at a white supremacist rally that exploded into deadly violence in Charlottesville, Va., on Saturday.

“What about the ‘alt-left’ that came charging at the, as you say, the ‘alt-right’? Do they have any semblance of guilt?” he asked. There was “blame on both sides,” he said. “I have no doubt about it.”

Both phrases are part of a broad lexicon of far-right terminology that has become important to understanding American politics during the Trump administration. Many of these terms have their roots in movements that are racist, anti-Semitic and sexist.

Antifa” is a contraction of the word “anti-fascist.” It was coined in Germany in the 1960s and 1970s by a network of groups that spread across Europe to confront right-wing extremists, according to Mr. Pitcavage. A similar movement was seen in the 1980s in the United States and has re-emerged recently as the “alt-right” has risen to prominence.

For some so-called antifa members, the goal is to physically confront white supremacists. “If they can get at them, to assault them and engage in street fighting,” Mr. Pitcavage said. Mr. Lenz, at the Southern Poverty Law Center, called the group “an old left-wing extremist movement.”

Members of the “alt-right” broadly portray protesters who oppose them as “antifa,” or the “alt-left,” and say they bear some responsibility for any violence that ensues — a claim made by Mr. Trump on Tuesday.

But analysts said comparing antifa with neo-Nazi or white supremacist protesters was a false equivalence.

On August 07 2018 19:50 Biff The Understudy wrote:

Sometimes I really wonder if you have ever opened, once, the NYT. I have a subscription and read it everyday, and every time you mention it I break five bones in my hand facepalming. That they make the proud boys and antifa two sides of the same coin is to die of laughter. Did you read Charlotteville reports in the Times?

Here, I googled “thenyt antifa” and first article that comes says:



Source

Granted, the NYT hosts a huge variety of opinions and some of them sometimes make my eyes roll, and I’m sure you’ll find articles by conservative pundits they put for the sake of debate that say dumb stuff about antifa, but you are just one more time just ignoring reality for your cheap anti-« crooked corporate liberal establishment » crusade.

Which is fine. Just bother not to make stuff up all the f... times, you start to look like the other guys.

On August 07 2018 13:17 RvB wrote:

Is it possible to get an answer to my initial question if a mod calling someone a Nazi will have consequences?

On August 07 2018 20:24 GreenHorizons wrote:


What are you even suggesting I'm making up? This or any other time?

On August 07 2018 21:36 Biff The Understudy wrote:

I just suggest you don’t bend the facts about the NYT to fit your narrative. What you are saying is not only unfair, it’s simply factually false. The NYT distinguishes perfectly between the far left and far right activists and in fact jumped at Trump’s throat when he made an equivalence between the two after Charlotteville. And in three of four years if reading them daily, I never once read them excusing nazis with sociological reasons or people being mean to them.

I know you want them to be bad corporate establishment media because that’s your narrative for everything, but you’ll have to find better angle of attack. I know there is a paywall, and I suppose you don’t have a subscription, but then just don’t talk about articles you haven’t read.

The NYT is by no mean perfect, I agree with you on that. But once again, the world is not black and white and they happen not to be on the wrong side of everything. That’s a pity, it would be convenient but unfortunately they are a highly reflected newspaper of a world class quality.

I don’t write out of animosity against you, there is no vendetta. But for god sake, just try to be a bit fair or at least make sure you don’t blind yourself like that.