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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42270 Posts
January 26 2018 17:49 GMT
#1901
If you asked me to explain my collusion theory I could easily tell you who the people involved in the conspiracy are, what their motives were, what their roles were, and what they got out of it.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 26 2018 17:50 GMT
#1902
Uranium one was reopened by the direct order of Jeff Sessions. All previous reporting on the subject has show Clinton having little involvement with deal itself, as it was handled by large group of people who all signed off. No new evidence has been found by the justice department. Sessions wanted them to re-review the old evidence. When politician like Sessions orders an investigation into a political opponent, it should be viewed in just that light.
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 26 2018 18:14 GMT
#1903
On January 27 2018 02:49 KwarK wrote:
If you asked me to explain my collusion theory I could easily tell you who the people involved in the conspiracy are, what their motives were, what their roles were, and what they got out of it.


Can you explain how Trump was involved, what his motives were, what his role was, and what he got and hoped to get out of it? I want to see a Kwark breakdown of this.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42270 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-26 20:12:07
January 26 2018 19:15 GMT
#1904
On January 27 2018 03:14 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 02:49 KwarK wrote:
If you asked me to explain my collusion theory I could easily tell you who the people involved in the conspiracy are, what their motives were, what their roles were, and what they got out of it.


Can you explain how Trump was involved, what his motives were, what his role was, and what he got and hoped to get out of it? I want to see a Kwark breakdown of this.

Trump's role was knowingly accepting aid from the Russian government, his motive was becoming President, what he got was a Russian intelligence hack on Clinton and the DNC and an insider feed of sensitive information from that hack, and a social media disinformation propaganda campaign aimed at discrediting Clinton.

We have documented proof of Trump Jr. accepting a meeting in which ending US sanctions on Russia was discussed due to being promised information from the Russian government hack. And 30 minutes after that meeting we have Trump Sr. tweeting non public information that was obtained by that Russian government hack. My theory is that his source for the hacked information was his son, and that his son got the information when he met with the people behind the hack in a meeting he admits that he took in order to get the information from the hack.

Honestly I don't really know how anyone could spin this as anything other than what it is. My Trump collusion theory is right up there with the 9/11 theory that explains that the towers fell because they got hit by planes.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 26 2018 19:25 GMT
#1905
do you think donald really wanted to be president? what do you make of the story in wolff's book about election night?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42270 Posts
January 26 2018 19:26 GMT
#1906
On January 27 2018 04:25 IgnE wrote:
do you think donald really wanted to be president? what do you make of the story in wolff's book about election night?

Yes, I think the crazy narcissist wanted the most powerful job in the world. That seems pretty believable to me.
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4682 Posts
January 27 2018 01:18 GMT
#1907
On January 27 2018 04:15 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 03:14 IgnE wrote:
On January 27 2018 02:49 KwarK wrote:
If you asked me to explain my collusion theory I could easily tell you who the people involved in the conspiracy are, what their motives were, what their roles were, and what they got out of it.


Can you explain how Trump was involved, what his motives were, what his role was, and what he got and hoped to get out of it? I want to see a Kwark breakdown of this.

Trump's role was knowingly accepting aid from the Russian government, his motive was becoming President, what he got was a Russian intelligence hack on Clinton and the DNC and an insider feed of sensitive information from that hack, and a social media disinformation propaganda campaign aimed at discrediting Clinton.

We have documented proof of Trump Jr. accepting a meeting in which ending US sanctions on Russia was discussed due to being promised information from the Russian government hack. And 30 minutes after that meeting we have Trump Sr. tweeting non public information that was obtained by that Russian government hack. My theory is that his source for the hacked information was his son, and that his son got the information when he met with the people behind the hack in a meeting he admits that he took in order to get the information from the hack.

Honestly I don't really know how anyone could spin this as anything other than what it is. My Trump collusion theory is right up there with the 9/11 theory that explains that the towers fell because they got hit by planes.


I know this is the feedback thread, but what "non-public information" are you talking about?
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42270 Posts
January 27 2018 04:25 GMT
#1908
On January 27 2018 10:18 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 04:15 KwarK wrote:
On January 27 2018 03:14 IgnE wrote:
On January 27 2018 02:49 KwarK wrote:
If you asked me to explain my collusion theory I could easily tell you who the people involved in the conspiracy are, what their motives were, what their roles were, and what they got out of it.


Can you explain how Trump was involved, what his motives were, what his role was, and what he got and hoped to get out of it? I want to see a Kwark breakdown of this.

Trump's role was knowingly accepting aid from the Russian government, his motive was becoming President, what he got was a Russian intelligence hack on Clinton and the DNC and an insider feed of sensitive information from that hack, and a social media disinformation propaganda campaign aimed at discrediting Clinton.

We have documented proof of Trump Jr. accepting a meeting in which ending US sanctions on Russia was discussed due to being promised information from the Russian government hack. And 30 minutes after that meeting we have Trump Sr. tweeting non public information that was obtained by that Russian government hack. My theory is that his source for the hacked information was his son, and that his son got the information when he met with the people behind the hack in a meeting he admits that he took in order to get the information from the hack.

Honestly I don't really know how anyone could spin this as anything other than what it is. My Trump collusion theory is right up there with the 9/11 theory that explains that the towers fell because they got hit by planes.


I know this is the feedback thread, but what "non-public information" are you talking about?

The 33,000 number. The very first time Trump tweeted about Hillary's emails was just 30 minutes after the Trump Jr. meeting with Russian agents who we know were offering him dirt on Clinton, and he did not tweet the 30,000 number that had previously been in the news.

The Trump collusion theory is just "it's basically what it looks like".
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4682 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-27 06:02:27
January 27 2018 05:39 GMT
#1909
On January 27 2018 13:25 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 10:18 Introvert wrote:
On January 27 2018 04:15 KwarK wrote:
On January 27 2018 03:14 IgnE wrote:
On January 27 2018 02:49 KwarK wrote:
If you asked me to explain my collusion theory I could easily tell you who the people involved in the conspiracy are, what their motives were, what their roles were, and what they got out of it.


Can you explain how Trump was involved, what his motives were, what his role was, and what he got and hoped to get out of it? I want to see a Kwark breakdown of this.

Trump's role was knowingly accepting aid from the Russian government, his motive was becoming President, what he got was a Russian intelligence hack on Clinton and the DNC and an insider feed of sensitive information from that hack, and a social media disinformation propaganda campaign aimed at discrediting Clinton.

We have documented proof of Trump Jr. accepting a meeting in which ending US sanctions on Russia was discussed due to being promised information from the Russian government hack. And 30 minutes after that meeting we have Trump Sr. tweeting non public information that was obtained by that Russian government hack. My theory is that his source for the hacked information was his son, and that his son got the information when he met with the people behind the hack in a meeting he admits that he took in order to get the information from the hack.

Honestly I don't really know how anyone could spin this as anything other than what it is. My Trump collusion theory is right up there with the 9/11 theory that explains that the towers fell because they got hit by planes.


I know this is the feedback thread, but what "non-public information" are you talking about?

The 33,000 number. The very first time Trump tweeted about Hillary's emails was just 30 minutes after the Trump Jr. meeting with Russian agents who we know were offering him dirt on Clinton, and he did not tweet the 30,000 number that had previously been in the news.

The Trump collusion theory is just "it's basically what it looks like".


That's a theory so lightly threaded no one else proposes it (and that's saying something). And one reason, of course, is that the number 33000 had in fact been in the news before.

But there is an even better part: the number 33000 is wrong. It's actually a little less than 32000 (which was also in the news). So the wiz-bang Russian lawyer gave him the wrong number. lol

In fact, that error supports the idea that he had 33000 as the number in his head because it was the number of emails turned over the government. Rest assured, there is a reason no one else wonders about this question.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
January 27 2018 07:05 GMT
#1910
On January 27 2018 14:39 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 13:25 KwarK wrote:
On January 27 2018 10:18 Introvert wrote:
On January 27 2018 04:15 KwarK wrote:
On January 27 2018 03:14 IgnE wrote:
On January 27 2018 02:49 KwarK wrote:
If you asked me to explain my collusion theory I could easily tell you who the people involved in the conspiracy are, what their motives were, what their roles were, and what they got out of it.


Can you explain how Trump was involved, what his motives were, what his role was, and what he got and hoped to get out of it? I want to see a Kwark breakdown of this.

Trump's role was knowingly accepting aid from the Russian government, his motive was becoming President, what he got was a Russian intelligence hack on Clinton and the DNC and an insider feed of sensitive information from that hack, and a social media disinformation propaganda campaign aimed at discrediting Clinton.

We have documented proof of Trump Jr. accepting a meeting in which ending US sanctions on Russia was discussed due to being promised information from the Russian government hack. And 30 minutes after that meeting we have Trump Sr. tweeting non public information that was obtained by that Russian government hack. My theory is that his source for the hacked information was his son, and that his son got the information when he met with the people behind the hack in a meeting he admits that he took in order to get the information from the hack.

Honestly I don't really know how anyone could spin this as anything other than what it is. My Trump collusion theory is right up there with the 9/11 theory that explains that the towers fell because they got hit by planes.


I know this is the feedback thread, but what "non-public information" are you talking about?

The 33,000 number. The very first time Trump tweeted about Hillary's emails was just 30 minutes after the Trump Jr. meeting with Russian agents who we know were offering him dirt on Clinton, and he did not tweet the 30,000 number that had previously been in the news.

The Trump collusion theory is just "it's basically what it looks like".


That's a theory so lightly threaded no one else proposes it (and that's saying something). And one reason, of course, is that the number 33000 had in fact been in the news before.

But there is an even better part: the number 33000 is wrong. It's actually a little less than 32000 (which was also in the news). So the wiz-bang Russian lawyer gave him the wrong number. lol

In fact, that error supports the idea that he had 33000 as the number in his head because it was the number of emails turned over the government. Rest assured, there is a reason no one else wonders about this question.

Oh, I guess that clears everything up then. Nothing to worry about! We can all now look the other way.
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
January 29 2018 14:37 GMT
#1911
On January 27 2018 04:25 IgnE wrote:
do you think donald really wanted to be president? what do you make of the story in wolff's book about election night?

The wierd world of US pol people, where someone thinks in sincerety whether someone who IS the president of USA for over a year wanted to be president. As we all know, being elected the president of USA is just something that is forced upon you right?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States22999 Posts
January 29 2018 22:56 GMT
#1912
On January 29 2018 23:37 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 04:25 IgnE wrote:
do you think donald really wanted to be president? what do you make of the story in wolff's book about election night?

The wierd world of US pol people, where someone thinks in sincerety whether someone who IS the president of USA for over a year wanted to be president. As we all know, being elected the president of USA is just something that is forced upon you right?

I imagine the theory revolves around the idea that running for president has (recently 08ish) largely been a way to make some easy money off suckers and raise your clout.

So Trump would have been running to do that, and when against pretty much all analysis (except mine ) started to show to be wrong and that he did have a chance at winning the nomination his "I'm the best at everything" went into overdrive and he decided he would do what it took to win. But that even then it was less about being president (he's showed several times he literally didn't know what the job actually entailed) but about winning and proving he was better.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
February 05 2018 09:04 GMT
#1913
Why is it OK to post threats to rich people like this where I'm basically advocating for mass murder:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=9816#196301

But I make one fairly harmless joke with the J-word in it and I get banned?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=9834#196661
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24633 Posts
February 05 2018 11:46 GMT
#1914
The upper post was not reported by anyone. Advocating for mass murder is not permitted on TL but if it looks like it was done in jest or with poetic license it will often slip by without anyone noticing.

The lower post was reported. And, the joke is not as harmless as you seem to think. If your goal here was to call out the moderation for failing to notice the direct threat of murder in the first post, then I've addressed the issue. If your goal was to defend your decision to characterize US-Israel relations with "your country is run by Jews" then you aren't going to have much success here.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States22999 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-05 12:35:58
February 05 2018 12:08 GMT
#1915
On February 05 2018 20:46 micronesia wrote:
The upper post was not reported by anyone. Advocating for mass murder is not permitted on TL but if it looks like it was done in jest or with poetic license it will often slip by without anyone noticing.

The lower post was reported. And, the joke is not as harmless as you seem to think. If your goal here was to call out the moderation for failing to notice the direct threat of murder in the first post, then I've addressed the issue. If your goal was to defend your decision to characterize US-Israel relations with "your country is run by Jews" then you aren't going to have much success here.


Hmm...Wonder why that is?

(I had my fun, I'm done)

I know this is falling on deaf ears but I can't help but laugh at MLK selling dodges as being deemed perfectly reasonable discourse but Jewish people having an outsized influence in the US being totally out of bounds.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18820 Posts
February 05 2018 12:33 GMT
#1916
Plenty of people are put off by the exploitation of MLK, contrary to some of the posts in the thread, but no one is posting in a bannable way about it, so it's a non-sequitur.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States22999 Posts
February 05 2018 12:37 GMT
#1917
On February 05 2018 21:33 farvacola wrote:
Plenty of people are put off by the exploitation of MLK, contrary to some of the posts in the thread, but no one is posting in a bannable way about it, so it's a non-sequitur.


that's just it. Saying "Jews run the US" is a "bannable way" but saying it's stupid to be offended by the exploitation of MLK's legacy to sell shitty trucks isn't.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18820 Posts
February 05 2018 12:41 GMT
#1918
Well yeah, one is distinctly tied to a discrete portion of the web/society that no one wants to be a part of unless they are card-carrying in some way. The other is judgmental and itself highly stupid, but doesn't have the same cachet nor attachment to "things people on Stormfront say unironically," though perhaps that will change.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28605 Posts
February 05 2018 12:42 GMT
#1919
there's a difference between saying 'the country is run by jews' and saying 'the pro-israel lobby exerts far too much influence on american policy, both foreign and domestic', or a similar phrase about media influence, even if the meaning is kinda the same. I'm not usually opposed to calling a shovel a spade or whatever, but 'the country is run by jews' is a phrase with pretty strong conspiratorial/anti-semitic connotations.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States22999 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-05 12:47:47
February 05 2018 12:45 GMT
#1920
On February 05 2018 21:41 farvacola wrote:
Well yeah, one is distinctly tied to a discrete portion of the web/society that no one wants to be a part of unless they are card-carrying in some way. The other is judgmental and itself highly stupid, but doesn't have the same cachet nor attachment to "things people on Stormfront say unironically," though perhaps that will change.


I don't need to be reminded that while anti-semitism is firmly understood in the US consciousness, racism and the exploitation of Black citizens is casually accepted.

On February 05 2018 21:42 Liquid`Drone wrote:
there's a difference between saying 'the country is run by jews' and saying 'the pro-israel lobby exerts far too much influence on american policy, both foreign and domestic', or a similar phrase about media influence, even if the meaning is kinda the same. I'm not usually opposed to calling a shovel a spade or whatever, but 'the country is run by jews' is a phrase with pretty strong conspiratorial/anti-semitic connotations.


Honest question: Is it less true than "it's stupid to be offended by the MLK ad"?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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