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On February 01 2018 10:09 GreenHorizons wrote:


this is some seriously weird stuff.

We have the Republicans attacking the FBI for their surveillance and Democrats defending the secrecy of a notoriously foul organization.

Doesn't this even feel slightly off to you guys on either side of this?

The alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of Russian intelligence assets. Over several months, different agencies targeting the same people began to see a pattern of connections that were flagged to intelligence officials in the US.

On February 01 2018 10:23 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
So what I understand about this memo is that it supposedly says that the FISA spying was based just on the steele dossier and therefore unjustified because it was funded by the other party.

But don't we already know multiple allied foreign intelligence agencies already warned FBI/CIA about these meetings of campaign staff with known russian operatives?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia?CMP=share_btn_tw

On February 01 2018 10:16 Doodsmack wrote:


Despite everything Nunes said there, his narrative-form memo is presumptively incomplete and partisan. Do we know whether the judge who authorised the FISA renewal believed the applicable legal standard to be met even without the dossier allegations? No we do not. Steele, by the way, is a lifetime ally of the US and intelligence officer, whose sources within Russia uncovered the FIFA corruption a few years back. Steele’s info is not frivolous, and was probably just one piece of evidence that went into the FBI’s attempt to cross the threshold justifying a FISA renewal.

Nunes’ work product, especially a narrative-form memo, is presumptively partisan and incomplete and he and others are engaged in a project to run interference on the FBI’s investigation of Trump and his campaign.

All that said, I kind of like the precedent this sets for House oversight committees. Narrative form memos composed by one political party only. Imagine the spoils when Dems take back the House.

On February 01 2018 10:05 Plansix wrote:
Most of the violations people believe exist have to do with reporting the risks of assets or activities. There were loans handed out to people with no income. It is like tha a Wells Fargo opening all those accounts. People in executive positions knew it was happening, they just didn’t care.

Edit: Nunes ran to the White House with classified information about the investigation last year. The man is a shill and not to be trusted.

On February 01 2018 10:16 Doodsmack wrote:


Despite everything Nunes said there, his narrative-form memo is presumptively incomplete and partisan. Do we know whether the judge who authorised the FISA renewal believed the applicable legal standard to be met even without the dossier allegations? No we do not. Steele, by the way, is a lifetime ally of the US and intelligence officer, whose sources within Russia uncovered the FIFA corruption a few years back. Steele’s info is not frivolous, and was probably just one piece of evidence that went into the FBI’s attempt to cross the threshold justifying a FISA renewal.

Nunes’ work product, especially a narrative-form memo, is presumptively partisan and incomplete and he and others are engaged in a project to run interference on the FBI’s investigation of Trump and his campaign.

All that said, I kind of like the precedent this sets for House oversight committees. Narrative form memos composed by one political party only. Imagine the spoils when Dems take back the House.

On February 01 2018 10:24 Danglars wrote:

He let the White House know breathtaking news about the prior administration surveiling his campaign using the foreign intelligence surveillance act. The ethics committee cleared him of any wrongdoing.

And democrats plus allies have continued to act coy when Hillary-funded research was used to wiretap her presidential opponent.

The real question is if this is more or less concerning than Democrats saying an unelected bureaucracy must not be held accountable to any elected body.

On February 01 2018 10:24 Danglars wrote:

He let the White House know breathtaking news about the prior administration surveiling his campaign using the foreign intelligence surveillance act. The ethics committee cleared him of any wrongdoing.

And democrats plus allies have continued to act coy when Hillary-funded research was used to wiretap her presidential opponent.

The real question is if this is more or less concerning than Democrats saying an unelected bureaucracy must not be held accountable to any elected body.

On February 01 2018 10:16 Doodsmack wrote:


Despite everything Nunes said there, his narrative-form memo is presumptively incomplete and partisan. Do we know whether the judge who authorised the FISA renewal believed the applicable legal standard to be met even without the dossier allegations? No we do not. Steele, by the way, is a lifetime ally of the US and intelligence officer, whose sources within Russia uncovered the FIFA corruption a few years back. Steele’s info is not frivolous, and was probably just one piece of evidence that went into the FBI’s attempt to cross the threshold justifying a FISA renewal.

Nunes’ work product, especially a narrative-form memo, is presumptively partisan and incomplete and he and others are engaged in a project to run interference on the FBI’s investigation of Trump and his campaign.

All that said, I kind of like the precedent this sets for House oversight committees. Narrative form memos composed by one political party only. Imagine the spoils when Dems take back the House.

On February 01 2018 10:55 Plansix wrote:
That is super not good. I don’t like how nonspecific it is. Are army payroll checks going to bounce on February 5th or something?