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On February 01 2018 10:27 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 10:24 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 10:05 Plansix wrote:
Most of the violations people believe exist have to do with reporting the risks of assets or activities. There were loans handed out to people with no income. It is like tha a Wells Fargo opening all those accounts. People in executive positions knew it was happening, they just didn’t care.
Edit: Nunes ran to the White House with classified information about the investigation last year. The man is a shill and not to be trusted. He let the White House know breathtaking news about the prior administration surveiling his campaign using the foreign intelligence surveillance act. The ethics committee cleared him of any wrongdoing. And democrats plus allies have continued to act coy when Hillary-funded research was used to wiretap her presidential opponent. The real question is if this is more or less concerning than Democrats saying an unelected bureaucracy must not be held accountable to any elected body. FISA warrants are reviewed by the Judiciary and can be reviews by congress. And the White House helped draft that memo. Or won’t deny they helped. But hey, hang your hat on carter page to discredit the FBI and the renewal of a FISA warrant. Can’t make you look any more partisan, right?
Nunes denied in official committee testimony that the White House had a hand. But who cares about fake news, right?
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Now ponder when Hope Hicks is thrown under the bus.
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On February 01 2018 10:34 Plansix wrote:
What mythical source documents are you talking about?
You’re better than this. The actual FISA application, attachments, opinion, other supporting materials, with any necessary redactions. Unless you’re the stupidest man on the planet, you know the memo was sourced to government documents and official supporting submissions, no matter what your view is on the partisan presentation.
Put another way, the reason the FBI alleged there were omissions but not fictions.
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On February 01 2018 11:02 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 10:27 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2018 10:24 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 10:05 Plansix wrote:
Most of the violations people believe exist have to do with reporting the risks of assets or activities. There were loans handed out to people with no income. It is like tha a Wells Fargo opening all those accounts. People in executive positions knew it was happening, they just didn’t care.
Edit: Nunes ran to the White House with classified information about the investigation last year. The man is a shill and not to be trusted. He let the White House know breathtaking news about the prior administration surveiling his campaign using the foreign intelligence surveillance act. The ethics committee cleared him of any wrongdoing. And democrats plus allies have continued to act coy when Hillary-funded research was used to wiretap her presidential opponent. The real question is if this is more or less concerning than Democrats saying an unelected bureaucracy must not be held accountable to any elected body. FISA warrants are reviewed by the Judiciary and can be reviews by congress. And the White House helped draft that memo. Or won’t deny they helped. But hey, hang your hat on carter page to discredit the FBI and the renewal of a FISA warrant. Can’t make you look any more partisan, right? Nunes denied in official committee testimony that the White House had a hand. But who cares about fake news, right?
Did he testify to it this afternoon? Because the White House didn’t deny it. That is a really easy “no”.
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On February 01 2018 11:10 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 10:34 Plansix wrote:
What mythical source documents are you talking about? You’re better than this. The actual FISA application, attachments, opinion, other supporting materials, with any necessary redactions. Unless you’re the stupidest man on the planet, you know the memo was sourced to government documents and official supporting submissions, no matter what your view is on the partisan presentation. Put another way, the reason the FBI alleged there were omissions but not fictions.
I work in law. You can make some amazing fictions by omitting facts. Don’t claims I’m dumb and make silly statements like that.
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A preview of what is to come. Individual congress members pushing to have their pet project classified inform released.
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On February 01 2018 11:16 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 11:10 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 10:34 Plansix wrote:
What mythical source documents are you talking about? You’re better than this. The actual FISA application, attachments, opinion, other supporting materials, with any necessary redactions. Unless you’re the stupidest man on the planet, you know the memo was sourced to government documents and official supporting submissions, no matter what your view is on the partisan presentation. Put another way, the reason the FBI alleged there were omissions but not fictions. I work in law. You can make some amazing fictions by omitting facts. Don’t claims I’m dumb and make silly statements like that.
I expect you show greater intelligence in your job than wondering what primary source materials one could have after composing a memorandum drawing conclusions from primary source materials. Or maybe it's common to assert they're mythical where you're from in law? I don't know.
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On February 01 2018 11:12 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 11:02 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 10:27 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2018 10:24 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 10:05 Plansix wrote:
Most of the violations people believe exist have to do with reporting the risks of assets or activities. There were loans handed out to people with no income. It is like tha a Wells Fargo opening all those accounts. People in executive positions knew it was happening, they just didn’t care.
Edit: Nunes ran to the White House with classified information about the investigation last year. The man is a shill and not to be trusted. He let the White House know breathtaking news about the prior administration surveiling his campaign using the foreign intelligence surveillance act. The ethics committee cleared him of any wrongdoing. And democrats plus allies have continued to act coy when Hillary-funded research was used to wiretap her presidential opponent. The real question is if this is more or less concerning than Democrats saying an unelected bureaucracy must not be held accountable to any elected body. FISA warrants are reviewed by the Judiciary and can be reviews by congress. And the White House helped draft that memo. Or won’t deny they helped. But hey, hang your hat on carter page to discredit the FBI and the renewal of a FISA warrant. Can’t make you look any more partisan, right? Nunes denied in official committee testimony that the White House had a hand. But who cares about fake news, right? https://twitter.com/DavidWright_CNN/status/958697193837334529Did he testify to it this afternoon? Because the White House didn’t deny it. That is a really easy “no”.
When I said Nunes denied in official committee testimony, I did not mean to say the White House press secretary answered a TV journalist saying this and that.
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On February 01 2018 11:46 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 11:16 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2018 11:10 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 10:34 Plansix wrote:
What mythical source documents are you talking about? You’re better than this. The actual FISA application, attachments, opinion, other supporting materials, with any necessary redactions. Unless you’re the stupidest man on the planet, you know the memo was sourced to government documents and official supporting submissions, no matter what your view is on the partisan presentation. Put another way, the reason the FBI alleged there were omissions but not fictions. I work in law. You can make some amazing fictions by omitting facts. Don’t claims I’m dumb and make silly statements like that. I expect you show greater intelligence in your job than wondering what primary source materials one could have after composing a memorandum drawing conclusions from primary source materials. Or maybe it's common to assert they're mythical where you're from in law? I don't know.
Why are we releasing classified documents at the whim of a single house representative to draft up a memo? Is that how this works now, one house member makes some shit up and then FBI has to release documents from an active investigation? Why should we trust government to investigate if house members get to cherry pick what evidence should be released and in what context?
You are so invested in this narrative you don’t realize how bullshit and dangerous this is. How easy this would be to abuse and why it’s not done. We don’t declassify things because a couple Congress members have an ax to grind.
Edit: it’s an easy “no” for Nunes or the White House. Easy. Unless it isn’t because the White House staff helped with the memo.
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On February 01 2018 11:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 11:46 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 11:16 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2018 11:10 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 10:34 Plansix wrote:
What mythical source documents are you talking about? You’re better than this. The actual FISA application, attachments, opinion, other supporting materials, with any necessary redactions. Unless you’re the stupidest man on the planet, you know the memo was sourced to government documents and official supporting submissions, no matter what your view is on the partisan presentation. Put another way, the reason the FBI alleged there were omissions but not fictions. I work in law. You can make some amazing fictions by omitting facts. Don’t claims I’m dumb and make silly statements like that. I expect you show greater intelligence in your job than wondering what primary source materials one could have after composing a memorandum drawing conclusions from primary source materials. Or maybe it's common to assert they're mythical where you're from in law? I don't know. Why are we releasing classified documents at the whim of a single house representative to draft up a memo? Is that how this works now, one house member makes some shit up and then FBI has to release documents from an active investigation? Why should we trust government to investigate if house members get to cherry pick what evidence should be released and in what context? You are so invested in this narrative you don’t realize how bullshit and dangerous this is. How easy this would be to abuse and why it’s not done. We don’t declassify things because a couple Congress members have an ax to grind.
That's some of the conclusions of a nearly year-long investigation that has exposed how uncooperative the FBI & Justice Dept have been with oversight. We know the Clinton campaign funded something that was used to spy on the Trump campaign. That should be enough to render idiotic any noob's "makes some shit up" and "get to cherry pick what evidence should be released." They done fucked up. Time for a comeuppance.
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On February 01 2018 11:55 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 11:53 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2018 11:46 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 11:16 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2018 11:10 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 10:34 Plansix wrote:
What mythical source documents are you talking about? You’re better than this. The actual FISA application, attachments, opinion, other supporting materials, with any necessary redactions. Unless you’re the stupidest man on the planet, you know the memo was sourced to government documents and official supporting submissions, no matter what your view is on the partisan presentation. Put another way, the reason the FBI alleged there were omissions but not fictions. I work in law. You can make some amazing fictions by omitting facts. Don’t claims I’m dumb and make silly statements like that. I expect you show greater intelligence in your job than wondering what primary source materials one could have after composing a memorandum drawing conclusions from primary source materials. Or maybe it's common to assert they're mythical where you're from in law? I don't know. Why are we releasing classified documents at the whim of a single house representative to draft up a memo? Is that how this works now, one house member makes some shit up and then FBI has to release documents from an active investigation? Why should we trust government to investigate if house members get to cherry pick what evidence should be released and in what context? You are so invested in this narrative you don’t realize how bullshit and dangerous this is. How easy this would be to abuse and why it’s not done. We don’t declassify things because a couple Congress members have an ax to grind. That's some of the conclusions of a nearly year-long investigation that has exposed how uncooperative the FBI & Justice Dept have been with oversight. We know the Clinton campaign funded something that was used to spy on the Trump campaign. That should be enough to render idiotic any noob's "makes some shit up" and "get to cherry pick what evidence should be released." They done fucked up. Time for a comeuppance.
Glad you finally admitted that this is about discrediting the FBI over the investigation results and investigating Trumps campaign. Glad we got there in the end. Good for you for being honest.
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On February 01 2018 11:55 Danglars wrote:
We know the Clinton campaign funded something that was used to spy on the Trump campaign.
We do not know whether this (overly broad) statement is true.
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On February 01 2018 12:12 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 11:55 Danglars wrote:
We know the Clinton campaign funded something that was used to spy on the Trump campaign. We do not know whether this (overly broad) statement is true.
We don't know what exactly the russians wanted for what they did but it doesn't stop people from saying that the russians bought the election and control the country.
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That is pathetic. People attacking agents like Peter Strzok are pathetic. Attacking the FISA courts because our intel community simply does its job spying on creeps like Carter Page is pathetic. Everything about this is pathetic. The only way people can be this pathetic is if they're guilty and trying to cover-up their crimes in any way possible.
I mean that is such a pathetic stunt.
That is like a fucking junior-high-school-student trying to cheat on his homework, level of pathetic.
Tomorrow, Nunes is going to announce his dog ate the memo.
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So stoked for him to be my senator.
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On February 01 2018 12:24 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 12:12 Doodsmack wrote:On February 01 2018 11:55 Danglars wrote:
We know the Clinton campaign funded something that was used to spy on the Trump campaign. We do not know whether this (overly broad) statement is true. We don't know what exactly the russians wanted for what they did but it doesn't stop people from saying that the russians bought the election and control the country.
The bullshit that is being pulled right now by Nunes does not help. But we do know what they wanted. This is it. A basic distrust in our system and due process.
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On February 01 2018 11:02 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 10:27 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2018 10:24 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 10:05 Plansix wrote:
Most of the violations people believe exist have to do with reporting the risks of assets or activities. There were loans handed out to people with no income. It is like tha a Wells Fargo opening all those accounts. People in executive positions knew it was happening, they just didn’t care.
Edit: Nunes ran to the White House with classified information about the investigation last year. The man is a shill and not to be trusted. He let the White House know breathtaking news about the prior administration surveiling his campaign using the foreign intelligence surveillance act. The ethics committee cleared him of any wrongdoing. And democrats plus allies have continued to act coy when Hillary-funded research was used to wiretap her presidential opponent. The real question is if this is more or less concerning than Democrats saying an unelected bureaucracy must not be held accountable to any elected body. FISA warrants are reviewed by the Judiciary and can be reviews by congress. And the White House helped draft that memo. Or won’t deny they helped. But hey, hang your hat on carter page to discredit the FBI and the renewal of a FISA warrant. Can’t make you look any more partisan, right? Nunes denied in official committee testimony that the White House had a hand. But who cares about fake news, right?
Well, he said as far as he knew, no, and then clammed up and forced them to move onto other questions once Quigley asked if any staff were connected. It's not really clear which of Quigley's questions he was responding to. You can read it here on page 23.
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Nunes is stupider than I ever believe if he thought he could get away with that. I’m not even sure how to respond to this, but the House of Representatives is out of control.
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On February 01 2018 12:57 Plansix wrote:Nunes is stupider than I ever believe if he thought he could get away with that. I’m not even sure how to respond to this, but the House of Representatives is out of control.
I mean, there's a not insignificant chance part of the point of this thing was to share unredacted intelligence on the FBI's investigations to the White House with changes the committee didn't anticipate. I'm not sure if Trump could have requested that directly (Sessions definitely couldn't).
Edit: I also am not honestly sure the release of a memo that will potentially lead to official confirmation of yet another Trump campaign staffer as a historical Russian asset is really what Trump wants here, but who knows. I think Trump may not have understood what was actually in this memo
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