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BigFan
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Aveng3r
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On December 21 2017 02:46 Sermokala wrote: Its a pretty legitimate point by Danglers. Inane random contextless twitter posts without anything else shouldn't be okay. That and the insane length of his quotes from articles are things that should be addressed. This is a late response to this but I must strongly disagree, as I find his posts to be quite informative. Can you explain why you would want to put an end to these? | ||
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brian
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Aveng3r
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LegalLord
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Sermokala
United States13750 Posts
On December 28 2017 03:16 Aveng3r wrote: This is a late response to this but I must strongly disagree, as I find his posts to be quite informative. Can you explain why you would want to put an end to these? Beacuse they're going to be a smaller font then even quotes so they're harder to read and are a real pain on mobile devices. They clog up the thread with their incredible length and often random context with no introduction given so you have to read in and try to figure out what they even mean. If I wanted to read articles I would go on a news site to read articles. Tweets are a much bigger problem as they tend to be snarky comments in reply to another tweet so to get anything out of them you have to click on the tweet login to twitter and then read the post that its referring to to get context because the person posting it like CC feels context or explanation is beneath them. Not to mention for the most part the only real response is "okay" which defys the whole point of a forum. | ||
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
On December 28 2017 06:16 Sermokala wrote: Beacuse they're going to be a smaller font then even quotes so they're harder to read and are a real pain on mobile devices. They clog up the thread with their incredible length and often random context with no introduction given so you have to read in and try to figure out what they even mean. If I wanted to read articles I would go on a news site to read articles. Tweets are a much bigger problem as they tend to be snarky comments in reply to another tweet so to get anything out of them you have to click on the tweet login to twitter and then read the post that its referring to to get context because the person posting it like CC feels context or explanation is beneath them. Not to mention for the most part the only real response is "okay" which defys the whole point of a forum. your point about the tweets I can agree with, not only for the reasons you cite but also because I cant seem them through my office network filter :/ I still would disagree with the comments about the articles though. Ile admit that I dont frequent the thread so much but it seems to me that they don't generate a ton of discussion anyway, they're just a small break from whatever argument is going on. Which for me is a welcome change and an opportunity for some real information, rather than the nonstop arguing where nobody ever seems to acknowledge any merit in their adversary's position. Its just rude, condescending bilge followed by more rude, condescending bilge. Now I understand that I lack some of the stomach or acumen for debate that others here do, and that the thread isnt for everybody, and that's fine. But having said all that I would contend that the articles are fine as they are and if you dont want to read them then why not just skip over them? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22722 Posts
On December 28 2017 22:50 tofucake wrote: everyone stop being jerks before you get banned or don't and get banned, I don't care That's pretty much exactly the response I expected. | ||
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brian
United States9610 Posts
just kidding though, it was the ABL thread you can’t expect to bitch people out forever. it was a good run. Not that the original post in question is excusable, but.. i have no other follow up. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22722 Posts
I don't think either are particularly great options, but it would help me understand the deal going forward. EDIT: Don't think I ever got any clarification on getting warned for pointing out the advocacy for ethnic cleansing, but the advocates for ethnic cleansing getting no action either? | ||
KwarK
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GreenHorizons
United States22722 Posts
On December 29 2017 00:01 KwarK wrote: TL doesn't have a specific sitewide opinion on things like that. You know my personal opinion on it. I mean I suppose it would be directed at the relevant mod/s that chose those actions/inactions. It seems widely seen as racist, even by people unfamiliar with the extent of xDaunt's racist posts. Then I'm told TL doesn't tolerate racism. Doesn't seem to add up. Best I can tell JBright still thinks they were right about me being hyperbolic, Tofu doesn't seem to think xDaunts racism is actionable, and Nixer thinks TL doesn't tolerate racism. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States22722 Posts
On December 29 2017 00:53 Danglars wrote: Quite obviously, your definition and examples of racism are not shared by others, GH. They are quite obviously shared by quite a few people, just not any other mods besides Kwark as far as we can tell right now. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On December 29 2017 01:26 GreenHorizons wrote: They are quite obviously shared by quite a few people, just not any other mods besides Kwark as far as we can tell right now. A vocal minority, to be sure. But a minority nonetheless. The majority just rolls its eyes at the latest race-baiting and racism-crusades. It’s hardly worth posting about since it’s the same spin and false outrage every single time. I’m very glad the moderators do not stifle debate to comply with this minority that paint racism with a ridiculously large brush. I’ve leveled a lot of criticism of the moderation team in this thread before, so I’m probably due to point out an area that they’re functioning quite well in currently. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22722 Posts
On December 29 2017 01:38 Danglars wrote: A vocal minority, to be sure. But a minority nonetheless. The majority just rolls its eyes at the latest race-baiting and racism-crusades. It’s hardly worth posting about since it’s the same spin and false outrage every single time. I’m very glad the moderators do not stifle debate to comply with this minority that paint racism with a ridiculously large brush. I’ve leveled a lot of criticism of the moderation team in this thread before, so I’m probably due to point out an area that they’re functioning quite well in currently. I mean, we obviously occupy different realities so I don't see anything to be gained indulging your fantasies here. I'd agree most people on TL don't really care much about racism, largely because they aren't the target of it or the accompanying systemic oppression and habitual violations of our rights. To the crowds credit, some people did say it like it is. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On December 29 2017 01:40 GreenHorizons wrote: I mean, we obviously occupy different realities so I don't see anything to be gained indulging your fantasies here. I'd agree most people on TL don't really care much about racism, largely because they aren't the target of it or the accompanying systemic oppression and habitual violations of our rights. To the crowds credit, some people did say it like it is. To the contrary, I expect they care very deeply about keeping their forum free of it. They just don’t diminish the word by overlabeling it like some want. I also think they can accurately identify and ban for it despite not frequently being targets. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22722 Posts
On December 29 2017 01:47 Danglars wrote: To the contrary, I expect they care very deeply about keeping their forum free of it. They just don’t diminish the word by overlabeling it like some want. I also think they can accurately identify and ban for it despite not frequently being targets. Just because victims of white supremacy/racism finally have input doesn't mean those terms are being diminished, they are simply being enlightened. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Edit: or maybe this is the right venue. I can't tell any more. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On December 29 2017 01:58 GreenHorizons wrote: Just because victims of white supremacy/racism finally have input doesn't mean those terms are being diminished, they are simply being enlightened. Yes, this is precisely the victimhood narrative that I’m glad isn’t overshadowing forum standards. On December 29 2017 02:02 Plansix wrote: Alright this thread is the wrong venue, my opinion on the subject is that TL is pretty tolerant of polite, well worded racism and will quickly ban angry opposition to that racism. Or posters who feel that even humoring the racist argument for an ethnostate is a bridge to far. Obviously if they tolerate white supremacy accusations everywhere, they must also tolerate discussion of alt-right views and applications. They end in the same place. | ||
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