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Where dat snitch at?37085 Posts
On May 15 2020 07:50 GreenHorizons wrote: Think it's silly to ban Neb for that. It is clear JimmiC is the problem there imo. He's worse than I was at my worst by practically any metric. GH, you're not entirely innocent in all of this, so please stay silent while the mods work it out. | ||
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brian
United States9641 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
9057 Posts
On May 15 2020 08:40 brian wrote: voicing my personal opinion that directly calling someone a retard ought to be banned. pretty sure that was standard a handful of years ago. If he had used any other combination of words to get that same point across, would you say the same thing? | ||
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brian
United States9641 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
9057 Posts
On May 15 2020 08:46 brian wrote: no. i think retard is exceptionally objectionable. He could have left that last line out, sure, but I don't think it's worth a ban. He was warned. That's good enough for me. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9847 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
I at least think the thread itself has been in an interesting enough place recently. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14128 Posts
And then said the word to full effect. Its the difference between saying the n word and using a hard r on the n word. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8082 Posts
It seems to me that Nebuchad and GH want to talk socialism, revolution, grand utopias and so on, which is fine but I think that could be done on another thread. And when they discuss actual US politics, it's across the prism of those. So it feels - at least to me - the discussion is being constantly derailed. I personally would like to discuss US politics without having to deal with pages of discussion about whether owning a coffee shop makes you a parasite and an enemy of the people or wether human nature is compatible with totally hypothetical systems that are not on the cards whatsoever for a foreseeable future. I take full responsibility in having been partly responsible of starting such discussions sometimes, but I would like those gone from the thread. Again, I'm not saying people are not entitled to talk about fringe ideologies if they like them, but I think it deserves its own thread, and the US politics thread should be about US politics. We would save A LOT of frustration this way. I remember we had an anarcho capitalism thread at one point, which was great, because it meant that if you thought that all the problems of the US came from the fact that there is a state at all and it's not a libertarian utopia, you didn't need to constantly hammer it in the US pol, you could take it to that specific thread. Similarly, in general, I think that if your point in an answer is that X problem in the US is rooted in the fact that the US is not a socialist utopia, you are not contributing. My two cents. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18292 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28797 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8082 Posts
And again my solution is simply to have two threads, not to get rid of anyone. The problem is not that we are discussing utopias or radical ideas, it's that we are discussing them in a place that is meant to discuss actual politics. In a way, maybe having a US politics megablog as GH created once, more oriented to very general ideological discussions would solve most of the tensions. On May 15 2020 21:31 Acrofales wrote: Well, both Neb and GH are banned, so go forth and discuss US politics with no fear of socialist utopias derailing the discussion! They are both temp banned, and it's not them that are the problem, more the vagueness of the thread's topic. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28797 Posts
From my point of view, the main recurring issue of the thread is that some posters aren't able to ignore topics that don't interest them. Not only are they unable to not read the posts, they're not even able to not respond to them. This does not make sense to me, as their actions only reinforce the behavior they want less of. | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
FWIW I like everyone involved for one reason or another, which is another part of why I’m not inclined to specifically referee the choices being made. Folks just need to work on their interaction hygiene. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9057 Posts
I've agreed with GH on many things but when asked for his version of a solution, I'm told to go read all of the literature on it because he's just saying what they have already said. That doesn't move the conversation forward. And even when you agree, they want you to repeat it over and over again, like it justifies them in a sense. I've largely ignored getting into conversations with GH and Neb when they walk into the thread, because I know where it inevitably leads. It's not that I'm not interested, it's that I'm not talking to a person with their own ideas on an established topic, but someone who is just parroting. If I ask you what you would do to slowly implement socialism into the american political climate while reducing violence at all costs, I want some substance to go with it. I don't want "go read the literature." That doesn't tell me what you think. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
9057 Posts
On May 16 2020 00:52 Artisreal wrote: You guys arguing with gh just want easy answers to complex problems without doing much work yourself it often seems to me. He wants the exact same. It goes both ways. Some are attempting to give those complex problems more thought. It isn't easy but he does himself no favors either. Either way, they're not here to defend themselves, so it's pointless discussing it further. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On May 15 2020 22:40 Biff The Understudy wrote: Oh simply because those conversation (or statements) from their extremely controversial - and vague - natures, get much more traction than any concrete political discussions. I've been many times guilty of getting extremely annoyed at one or another poster and feeding a discussion I don't think belongs there. I take responsibility for part of the problem. And again my solution is simply to have two threads, not to get rid of anyone. The problem is not that we are discussing utopias or radical ideas, it's that we are discussing them in a place that is meant to discuss actual politics. In a way, maybe having a US politics megablog as GH created once, more oriented to very general ideological discussions would solve most of the tensions. They are both temp banned, and it's not them that are the problem, more the vagueness of the thread's topic. Neb is now thread banned as well. Thought I should mention this. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
i see most europeans seeing them as cool stories and not something that needs to be put down, attacked, dismantled ... | ||
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