US Politics Feedback Thread - Page 276

On February 17 2020 10:31 JimmiC wrote:
What is wrong with it? Are the oligarchs not directly running China? It is a authoritarian capitalist command economy. Which I think is a terrible for of government. And I thought you would too. Which is why I would also not like Bloomburg. And would prefer Bernie.

But I am different from you in that I do support Bernie and am willing to say who I support and why, even if that might open me up.

On February 17 2020 11:11 JimmiC wrote:


I didn't want to get in a long discussion about the actual Chinese Oligarchs(side note, you don't think China has oligarchs???? WTF???)

On February 17 2020 10:06 GreenHorizons wrote:


I like the thread better without posts like these (or me responding to them). Doesn't everyone?

On February 17 2020 17:24 Acrofales wrote:


I think this thread would also be better without posts like this. Both posts suffer from the same syndrome: they call something dogshit without adequately explaining why it is dogshit. In the case of Jimmy's "China" post: it's because pointing to two things that are vaguely converging in two otherwise wildly different systems doesn't make the two systems similar.

If you think there are other worrying tendencies that are making the US look more like China, then you're going to have to put in the legwork. If what you're trying to say is "USA is moving further and further away from democracy and the new rule is that whoever has the most money can rule the country", or even just "the USA is going to hell in a handbag", you can do that without invoking China as the boogieman.

In the case of GH's post: it's because he (presumably) wanted to say all that, but instead posted a snide one-liner.

Both are bad posts, simply because they don't express the reasoning required to support the post's conclusion. So how about you both cut out the sniping and play nice for a change?

On February 17 2020 10:06 GreenHorizons wrote:


I like the thread better without posts like these (or me responding to them). Doesn't everyone?

On February 18 2020 18:41 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
We can do without that post. Doesn't everyone?

Apparently it's not enough for GH to turn the US Pol thread into his personal playground where dissenters are treated in the most condescending manner; not even discussing politics is allowed, where an innoculous discussion on the nature of oligarchy cannot be allowed to occur, as that disagreements is dissent from GH's opinions.

On March 06 2020 03:53 themtc516 wrote:
Long time lurker here, since about page 2000 of the old thread. Never had an account either until today so I understand if no one cares what I have to say based on my lack of posting history.

But is it too much to ask for a mod or two to have a word with JimmiC????

The guy clearly has some strange personal vendetta against a member of this website and it's infected his posting and it's dragging down this usually awesome thread. I know he fully mucked up the thread for multiple pages a few months ago, and id hate for that to happen again as I love reading the discussions that take place here in my spare time. I dont agree with all of GH's conclusions either but it's undeniable that he has taken his time to outline and frame his worldview in a very clear and succinct manner. Im sorry if you dont agree with that framework, but I dont think that gives anyone the right to quote every future post he makes and attack him for things he has never said. It really drags the thread down. GH has shown more patience than I personally would have to outline and frame his argument in a professional and academic way. It's very disingenuous to try and morph his arguments and conclusions into a framework that you accept instead when hes gone out of his way MANY times to try and get you to understand. Most the rest of us do understand by the way. It seems GH has finally stopped responding to the nonsense for now so at least that is progress.

Anyways thanks for your time and thank you all for the years of interesting discussions. Carry on.

On March 06 2020 07:23 Velr wrote:
At this point GH is just a doom and gloom preacher, nothing more. I don't get what some people see in his postings, i stopped commenting on them mostly for that reason.
Arguing about anything with him, well.. Try hitting a wall, at least it will hurt your fist. GH will just ignore you because he has no answer aside from "capitalism/usa BAD". Endless whataboutism once confronted are all you ever get out of him, clear statements or ideas? Who needs them, we are all doomed anyway.

On March 06 2020 08:01 themtc516 wrote:



I really dont understand takes like this. Like i said:

He has clearly and consistently laid out his reasons for why he believes this at least 10-20 times in the last year. He seems pretty set on it and like i said its consistent logically, so either you can argue within the framework he has set up or you can move on. Or hell, take the time to set up your own framework and maybe if it's worthwhile he will engage. Maybe he won't. But no one is saying he needs to accept yours on its face, just like you dont accept his. It's just that instead of not engaging, you and JimmiC and DMCD etc cant seem to accept that; then you get all flustered, and instead of disengaging you choose to comment in bad faith, mis-characterize his arguments, bait him, or sometimes just ad hominem him. It's unacceptable in any reasonable debate or academic setting.

I dont think that you guys are bad people or even have any malicious intent. I think its mostly due to miscommunications based on the fact that GH is arguing for a hypothetical audience of doctoral students while you and JC seem to think this is a CNN/Fox News roundtable or a casual conversation among your workmates. There's different requirements that need to be met based on the audience and setting.

I dunno, I dont want this to be a thing I just like to see the thread go smoothly.

edit: and before anyone brings up what Mohdoo touched on in the thread where i first incorrectly posted this. Ive been around awhile, I understand how GH used to be. I also remember how hes served his time through bans etc. I also remember how he tried to start his own thread/blog to avoid some of these issues that was then highjacked by JC only to get shut down. Like i said im hopeful that he will just continue not to respond to you guys, demonstrating his growth.