US Politics Feedback Thread - Page 277

On March 06 2020 13:00 JimmiC wrote:
@themtc516 I'm sorry that your "Lurking" is being interrupted by my posts. But what I really think is that you are a PBU or another user. Stop pretending you are a lurker and man or woman up. I'm not sure what type of person is so scared that they create another name to complain on the feedback site of a message board. It is extremely pathetic. Either your complaint is not real and you are just trying to stir up drama, which is its own level of sad. Or you are a regular poster who was scared to voice this concern yourself.

And it was also embarrassing for GH to pretend like you were anything but the above. And Legal lord I would have hoped you would have noticed the post count before taking this obvious PBU trying to start shit, or regular poster who is a complete coward seriously.

As to the whole GH issue, I took offense when he called everyone who said they would vote Biden if he won "boot licking" I thought it was especially low considering many of the people in that group were people who constantly defend him in situations like this including Drone.

@Sent Because of my frustrating above I decided that I would give him a but of a hard time by pointing out to him that everything he is complaining about is done, and worse in countries running his preferred political system. He constantly acts as if by supporting "X" politician you are supporting their worst act. But for some reason suggesting to him that by supporting ML Socialism he is supporting what China is currently doing is out of bounds? I don't understand it. If he thinks it is out of bounds he should stop doing it. If he does not he should take some time to explain.

I figured it was a long shot, but what I have been hoping for some time is him to make some long post about what LM socialism would look like in the real world if done in the way he thinks it should. So he could say like the USSR but.... or whatever. I think everyone else at some point or another has had a situation where they said, for example, that First person to the poll is bad and this system is better because X, Y, Z, they do it here, it works better in these ways and maybe not in these. I don't think it is unfair after actual YEARS of saying what is wrong and why he will not get to this level of detail. I do know he prefers LM Socialism. When I look it up the countries that are and have used it are USSR, China, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela and so on. GH defends those countries whenever people say bad things about them. But then we are somehow supposed to know he supports a somehow different system that is LM Socialism, but it isn't those, and has democracy, but not like we know it. And so on.

And to be honest that is fine, but then stop using the whataboutism and so on yourself.

@Neb, I don't know exactly what your problem is. I know you get mad when I call your youtube videos of college age people in Europe who have never met an actual Venezuelan and seem to think any of the bad news coming out of Venezuela is "right wing propaganda". I have met these people, and I have read UN reports written by actual scoialists about the terrible things they are doing. I'm sorry to burst your bubble but people who claim to be socialists don't all actually believe it. Sometimes they do it to grab power and wealth for themselves. Maduro is one such person. So are the people leading China, it sucks but it is reality. I really, really hate it when people treat their assumptions like fact. A assumption might be correct, but it is not a fact.

Beyond that part I think we actually have the same political views. I think you want a social democracy and then try to push left from there while still giving people choice.

I think GH actually thinks that if people don't want that we should still force it on them because they have been brainwashed. I think he thinks he knows better and his version of democracy is much like in the old USSR, you get to vote, but only for us. I believe this because he defends dictators of "socialist countries" and he says his preferred system is the what they are classified under.

I'm a little older than you and I remember the USSR and my neighbors lived in Poland until after the wall came down. My wifes family either came over during WW2 by escaping from the Ukraine and what would end up being East Germany or were stuck there until the Wall came down. I have got to now meet many of them and they do not have positive things to say about that form of government, and there is nothing about them that was or is "capitalist class". Some of them I will never meet as Stalin choose to not send enough food so they would starve to death.

For these reasons when I hear socialism or communism I ask what kind. When someone like you says socialist democracy I say excellent. When someone says LM socialism and starts calling people "commrades" I go "hmmmm" and ask questions. When that person constantly dodges questions, and defends dictators I tend to believe that they support those governments.

I dont' support those governments. While I'd much rather have Norway's system than the US systems, by a few magnitudes I would rather have the US system than the USSR, or North Korea, or Venezuela.


@ Kwark I appreciate your humor and what you bring to the thread when you participate. I also really appreciate that you took some time to help me solve a problem with where I work that allowed us to get a lot more diversion done. My only constructive feedback would be, I was very disappointed when you told GH that you would ban him if he explained how the North Korean's have it better than the American's in some ways. I was looking forward to that explanation, I think it would have helped others see his actual thoughts that he works hard to only hint at. Or maybe it would have been very informative and now I'll never know.




Most of my posts are written with a smile on my face and are probably not taken that way because tone is not always brought across on online. GH has been mean to me, GH has been a racially insensitive to me. I have been mean to GH, I have been racially insensitive to him. I have apologized. Him, of course not. Do I care? No. But I am not going to walk on egg shells because he is black, I'm a minority and don't expect that treatment. Everyone here just treats me as white and that is OK in fact it is preferred because the bonus of the message board is unless you tell people no one knows. And sometimes that is a nice break. And sometimes it is funny to have someone like GH talk down to me about issues of my people because he is Black so he knows. He does not know, and I don't know what is like for him. The big difference is I don't claim that I do.

I guess my big point is can't we all just get along, and argue, and not get along and then get along again? Do we have to always take ourselves so damn serious? We are not actually solving any issues on the thread, just discussing them. That we have different opinion is OK, probably preferred.

GH if you want to be a LM Socialist supporter who hates Capitalism and the US, you go right ahead. Just be aware that while I'm sure you have reasons to feel this way. Other people are going to have reasons to hate LM Socialist countries, often really personal reasons and they are going to be offended and say as much when you defend those countries. There are also people who love the Capitalism and the US, they probably have very personal reasons for that, perhaps coming from different countries. Or like Shockey having different situation and having this situation be much for them. So expect when you are that aggressive aggression will come back.

And as long as GH keeps being this way, this is going to keep happening, and I'm OK with that. I don't report his posts, or ever post in here that he should be banned, or that I'm a victim. Perhaps I should start because apparently that makes someone more sympathetic to many people here than just taking it and fighting back for oneself. I learned a long time ago the only way to deal with a bully is to punch them right in the face, you don't always win, but most of the time they don't keep bullying you. It does not work great on forum's but it is a lot more satisfying than being a punching bag.

So if you have a problem with my post, feel free to PM me or post it in the thread. I will always respond, I may not agree and you may not agree but I'll answer the best as I can about why I posted the way I did. I also may apologize if I have offended you as that is rarely my intent or goal.

It would be nice if after one of these referendums GH said "guys I'm sorry, I'll try to do better". Or "I'll take a break and won't come back until JimmiC has offended someone". I know I would appreciate that.


Guy's I will try to do better. I won't bring up LM socialism because I guess he only wants to talk about whats shitty with this system not why and how his system is better.

But what I will do instead is point out every time he uses the "whataboutism" he so complains about. And also point out when he is condescending to people, instead of just being it back to him. I hope that will be preferred.

I also think there is a misconception that there is some group of people conspiring to get rid of GH. If there is I am not a part of it. People like Aquanim, or Biff, or DMCD (he comes after me as much as GH), or whoever else do no plotting. We don't PM (though I have sent a thank you to Aquanim when GH and Neb were following me around and insulting me then complaining in here that I was a problem and he posted some of what I think many people were not aware was happening on threads they don't follow, because I don't come on here and cry about it). We just over time have come to the same conclusion on our own that he is just not a very nice person. And that when he decides he does not like someone he holds a grudge and makes it his mission to "get them". Maybe we all came to the same or similar opinions on our own and we are all wrong. But there is no get GH banned club or anything like that. Just a lot of people are not big fans of him because he has been a dick to a lot of people for a very long time.. Some people seem to have been desensitized to it, others it still bothers. I deal with it by what I feel is responding in kind, others finally get sick of it and explode, some come on here. We all have our own ways. But while I feel confident that for example GH and Neb have PM'd about how bad or whatever I am, I actually don't have a problem with that, vent, do what you need to do. But please PLEASE, stop pretending like you are some sort of victim, GH you know you are a dick to a lot of people, if you want to dish it out, please for heavens sake learn how to take it.



I also hope in the future when a Drama creator or PBU (often the same thing) creates and name to make drama for their amusement, people will ignore it instead of giving them exactly what they want.

Sorry for all the typos that I'm sure exist. It has been a long day and this a bit of stream of consciousness. If you took the time to read this monster post, I appreciate you investing the time. If you did not, I don't blame you, I might never even read it!

Thank you for you time.

On March 06 2020 13:00 JimmiC wrote:
@themtc516 I'm sorry that your "Lurking" is being interrupted by my posts. But what I really think is that you are a PBU or another user. Stop pretending you are a lurker and man or woman up. I'm not sure what type of person is so scared that they create another name to complain on the feedback site of a message board. It is extremely pathetic. Either your complaint is not real and you are just trying to stir up drama, which is its own level of sad. Or you are a regular poster who was scared to voice this concern yourself.

And it was also embarrassing for GH to pretend like you were anything but the above. And Legal lord I would have hoped you would have noticed the post count before taking this obvious PBU trying to start shit, or regular poster who is a complete coward seriously.

As to the whole GH issue, I took offense when he called everyone who said they would vote Biden if he won "boot licking" I thought it was especially low considering many of the people in that group were people who constantly defend him in situations like this including Drone.

@Sent Because of my frustrating above I decided that I would give him a but of a hard time by pointing out to him that everything he is complaining about is done, and worse in countries running his preferred political system. He constantly acts as if by supporting "X" politician you are supporting their worst act. But for some reason suggesting to him that by supporting ML Socialism he is supporting what China is currently doing is out of bounds? I don't understand it. If he thinks it is out of bounds he should stop doing it. If he does not he should take some time to explain.

I figured it was a long shot, but what I have been hoping for some time is him to make some long post about what LM socialism would look like in the real world if done in the way he thinks it should. So he could say like the USSR but.... or whatever. I think everyone else at some point or another has had a situation where they said, for example, that First person to the poll is bad and this system is better because X, Y, Z, they do it here, it works better in these ways and maybe not in these. I don't think it is unfair after actual YEARS of saying what is wrong and why he will not get to this level of detail. I do know he prefers LM Socialism. When I look it up the countries that are and have used it are USSR, China, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela and so on. GH defends those countries whenever people say bad things about them. But then we are somehow supposed to know he supports a somehow different system that is LM Socialism, but it isn't those, and has democracy, but not like we know it. And so on.

And to be honest that is fine, but then stop using the whataboutism and so on yourself.

@Neb, I don't know exactly what your problem is. I know you get mad when I call your youtube videos of college age people in Europe who have never met an actual Venezuelan and seem to think any of the bad news coming out of Venezuela is "right wing propaganda". I have met these people, and I have read UN reports written by actual scoialists about the terrible things they are doing. I'm sorry to burst your bubble but people who claim to be socialists don't all actually believe it. Sometimes they do it to grab power and wealth for themselves. Maduro is one such person. So are the people leading China, it sucks but it is reality. I really, really hate it when people treat their assumptions like fact. A assumption might be correct, but it is not a fact.

Beyond that part I think we actually have the same political views. I think you want a social democracy and then try to push left from there while still giving people choice.

I think GH actually thinks that if people don't want that we should still force it on them because they have been brainwashed. I think he thinks he knows better and his version of democracy is much like in the old USSR, you get to vote, but only for us. I believe this because he defends dictators of "socialist countries" and he says his preferred system is the what they are classified under.

I'm a little older than you and I remember the USSR and my neighbors lived in Poland until after the wall came down. My wifes family either came over during WW2 by escaping from the Ukraine and what would end up being East Germany or were stuck there until the Wall came down. I have got to now meet many of them and they do not have positive things to say about that form of government, and there is nothing about them that was or is "capitalist class". Some of them I will never meet as Stalin choose to not send enough food so they would starve to death.

For these reasons when I hear socialism or communism I ask what kind. When someone like you says socialist democracy I say excellent. When someone says LM socialism and starts calling people "commrades" I go "hmmmm" and ask questions. When that person constantly dodges questions, and defends dictators I tend to believe that they support those governments.

I dont' support those governments. While I'd much rather have Norway's system than the US systems, by a few magnitudes I would rather have the US system than the USSR, or North Korea, or Venezuela.


@ Kwark I appreciate your humor and what you bring to the thread when you participate. I also really appreciate that you took some time to help me solve a problem with where I work that allowed us to get a lot more diversion done. My only constructive feedback would be, I was very disappointed when you told GH that you would ban him if he explained how the North Korean's have it better than the American's in some ways. I was looking forward to that explanation, I think it would have helped others see his actual thoughts that he works hard to only hint at. Or maybe it would have been very informative and now I'll never know.




Most of my posts are written with a smile on my face and are probably not taken that way because tone is not always brought across on online. GH has been mean to me, GH has been a racially insensitive to me. I have been mean to GH, I have been racially insensitive to him. I have apologized. Him, of course not. Do I care? No. But I am not going to walk on egg shells because he is black, I'm a minority and don't expect that treatment. Everyone here just treats me as white and that is OK in fact it is preferred because the bonus of the message board is unless you tell people no one knows. And sometimes that is a nice break. And sometimes it is funny to have someone like GH talk down to me about issues of my people because he is Black so he knows. He does not know, and I don't know what is like for him. The big difference is I don't claim that I do.

I guess my big point is can't we all just get along, and argue, and not get along and then get along again? Do we have to always take ourselves so damn serious? We are not actually solving any issues on the thread, just discussing them. That we have different opinion is OK, probably preferred.

GH if you want to be a LM Socialist supporter who hates Capitalism and the US, you go right ahead. Just be aware that while I'm sure you have reasons to feel this way. Other people are going to have reasons to hate LM Socialist countries, often really personal reasons and they are going to be offended and say as much when you defend those countries. There are also people who love the Capitalism and the US, they probably have very personal reasons for that, perhaps coming from different countries. Or like Shockey having different situation and having this situation be much for them. So expect when you are that aggressive aggression will come back.

And as long as GH keeps being this way, this is going to keep happening, and I'm OK with that. I don't report his posts, or ever post in here that he should be banned, or that I'm a victim. Perhaps I should start because apparently that makes someone more sympathetic to many people here than just taking it and fighting back for oneself. I learned a long time ago the only way to deal with a bully is to punch them right in the face, you don't always win, but most of the time they don't keep bullying you. It does not work great on forum's but it is a lot more satisfying than being a punching bag.

So if you have a problem with my post, feel free to PM me or post it in the thread. I will always respond, I may not agree and you may not agree but I'll answer the best as I can about why I posted the way I did. I also may apologize if I have offended you as that is rarely my intent or goal.

It would be nice if after one of these referendums GH said "guys I'm sorry, I'll try to do better". Or "I'll take a break and won't come back until JimmiC has offended someone". I know I would appreciate that.


Guy's I will try to do better. I won't bring up LM socialism because I guess he only wants to talk about whats shitty with this system not why and how his system is better.

But what I will do instead is point out every time he uses the "whataboutism" he so complains about. And also point out when he is condescending to people, instead of just being it back to him. I hope that will be preferred.

I also think there is a misconception that there is some group of people conspiring to get rid of GH. If there is I am not a part of it. People like Aquanim, or Biff, or DMCD (he comes after me as much as GH), or whoever else do no plotting. We don't PM (though I have sent a thank you to Aquanim when GH and Neb were following me around and insulting me then complaining in here that I was a problem and he posted some of what I think many people were not aware was happening on threads they don't follow, because I don't come on here and cry about it). We just over time have come to the same conclusion on our own that he is just not a very nice person. And that when he decides he does not like someone he holds a grudge and makes it his mission to "get them". Maybe we all came to the same or similar opinions on our own and we are all wrong. But there is no get GH banned club or anything like that. Just a lot of people are not big fans of him because he has been a dick to a lot of people for a very long time.. Some people seem to have been desensitized to it, others it still bothers. I deal with it by what I feel is responding in kind, others finally get sick of it and explode, some come on here. We all have our own ways. But while I feel confident that for example GH and Neb have PM'd about how bad or whatever I am, I actually don't have a problem with that, vent, do what you need to do. But please PLEASE, stop pretending like you are some sort of victim, GH you know you are a dick to a lot of people, if you want to dish it out, please for heavens sake learn how to take it.



I also hope in the future when a Drama creator or PBU (often the same thing) creates and name to make drama for their amusement, people will ignore it instead of giving them exactly what they want.

Sorry for all the typos that I'm sure exist. It has been a long day and this a bit of stream of consciousness. If you took the time to read this monster post, I appreciate you investing the time. If you did not, I don't blame you, I might never even read it!

Thank you for you time.


Edit: And GH get over that post from Seeker already, we have all seen it, very few of us feel bad for you because he has had to deal with you for a long long time, and you have to know that is not fun. He has banned me before, and I apologized and tried to better. So when he says stuff like that instead of feeling sorry for yourself. Maybe ask yourself "why would a volunteer mod for a gaming website say I'm a bad person". The answer is likely that you have been a dick to him a bunch. Have done a lot of shit and never or rarely taken responsibility and he is sick of dealing with issue after issue after issue about you.