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Aveng3r
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Liquid`Drone
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On June 14 2019 23:34 GreenHorizons wrote: It's confusing that I have essentially the opposite message sitting in my inbox as well as the unresolved conflict between my ban reason and various PM's I've received regarding it. This is also the first I've heard of any apology. You have it as a public statement now though 🙂 | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23298 Posts
On June 15 2019 00:33 Liquid`Drone wrote: You have it as a public statement now though 🙂 Could we just clarify then whether we're resuming the mutual non-existent agreement (would fit the "We are not going to sit here and over-analyze the situation" expectation) or we're trying to work it out like the PM says? EDIT: I think the post below serves as an example of why it's important to reach an amiable resolution rather than let the question linger. | ||
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JimmiC
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Danglars
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KadaverBB
Germany25657 Posts
As for the ban or the "mutual non-existent agreement ", just ignore that. The ban was in error and if Seeker didn't apologise he gets a slap on the wrist from me! | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23298 Posts
On June 15 2019 01:53 KadaverBB wrote: Let's just say you are a complicated bunch and ensuring a fruitful, civil political discussion is sometimes somewhat difficult. As for the ban or the "mutual non-existent agreement ", just ignore that. The ban was in error and if Seeker didn't apologise he gets a slap on then wrist from me ! I think that's fair (though I did pretty good in my blog  ) Unfortunately we're left with JimmiC's post above (among other examples I'd be happy to provide) and how I'm to responsibly and reasonably treat it.It sounds like we're not doing the mutual non-existence thing, so we're left with me ignoring/enduring his rather persistent posts like the one above, or trying to address it. I've tried addressing them several times (I'll show examples if you'd like) to little/no avail. I tried ignoring them, yet they persisted (I can show examples if needed) that I feel the best and most fair resolution is the mutual non-existence thing. As it stands my interpretation is that I'm to just accept JimmiC calling my positions mentally deranged (despite me not being able to assert the same), and that there will likely be even more future mistake bans and wrist slaps because of a resistance to taking a proactive approach to preventing them. Just to keep it light but still stress my point and it's importance in being resolved from my perspective: On June 15 2019 00:58 Danglars wrote: The fight enters a music/lyrics phase. Is no one going to tell him? + Show Spoiler + I don't want to be accused of being vague so let's just take the words on the meaning of the song from John (who wrote the song) himself Why did you make “Revolution”? Which one? Both. There’s three of them. Starting with the single. ...I wanted to put what I felt about revolution; I thought it was time we fuckin’ spoke about it, the same as I thought it was about time we stopped not answering about the Vietnamese War when we were on tour with Brian Epstein and had to tell him, “We’re going to talk about the war this time and we’re not going to just waffle.” I wanted to say what I thought about revolution. On one version I said “Count me in” about violence, in or out, because I wasn’t sure. But the version we put out said “Count me out,” because I don’t fancy a violent revolution happening all over. I don’t want to die; but I begin to think what else can happen, you know, it seems inevitable. The idea was don’t aggravate the pig by waving the thing that aggravates – by waving the Red flag in his face. You know, I really thought that love would save us all. But now I’m wearing a Chairman Mao badge. I’m just beginning to think he’s doing a good job. I would never know until I went to China. You don’t really believe that we are headed for a violent revolution? . . . eventually it’ll happen, like it will happen – it has to happen; what else can happen? Having a violent revolution now might just be the end of the world. They say that every time, but I don’t really believe it, you see. If it is, OK, I’m back to where I was when I was 17 and at 17 I used to wish a fuckin’ earthquake or revolution would happen... If I was black, I’d be all for it; if I were 17 I’d be all for it, too. What have you got to lose? Now I’ve got something to lose. I don’t want to die, and I don’t want to be hurt physically www.rollingstone.com You'll notice in the youtube version cited he included "in" and it seems him and Paul share a bit of a smile about it as well This kind of misinterpretation/lack of context happens A LOT resulting in untraversable chasms in communication. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23298 Posts
On June 15 2019 02:29 JimmiC wrote: If you would like GH I can share the PM's you have sent me about actively seeking a fight with Seeker. You like to play this victim card but you are actively trying to get in fights with people and push their buttons. I have no idea why some people do not see this, but at this point with all your BS I'm happy to pull back the curtain. Honestly I don't know what you're referencing but I've never been shy to open up PM's, just not if we're only showing mine (though I never even got that much) lol. Literally for years people have described my PM's as everything under the sun without putting the exchanges up for scrutiny in the same venue, so that's not exactly something I fear. The difference is I'm willing to directly explain my positions. You are not, straightforwardly answer peoples questions instead of pretending you are above them and many of your problems will be solved. Not really because the truth is you can't answer them, but such is life. I'd simply refer you to acro's explanation (emphasis mine). On May 28 2019 08:11 Acrofales wrote: GH's posting is fine. You don't have to agree with him. You don't even have to respond to him. But he's writing informative posts in a clear manner and is happy to discuss his ideas. And yes, I've had my problems with his posts in the past, but I'd rather discuss police violence with GH than Trump's tweets with P6 and Danglars. And I really don't want to discuss police violence in the US with anybody  | ||
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JimmiC
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GreenHorizons
United States23298 Posts
On June 15 2019 02:54 JimmiC wrote: Yes one person thinks your posting is great, should I quote the many more that say the opposite. Not one person thinking my posting is great (literally no one made that assertion), I simply cited a clear and succinct rebuttal. But there are others. Seeker (emphasis mine): Please ignore JimmiC from now on. You've been doing well. + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2019 04:48 brian wrote: i could understand this if it was still 2017, but if that’s how you feel reading the last page or so that’s on you, reading something into his posts that just isn’t there. he definitely does not present these opinions as the one true message, and certainly hasn’t done so from a place of unassailable moral high ground (which is the only way i can really interpret your complaint vis a vis a priest.) and that he has no idea where to start seems inaccurate in my personal opinion. i would be interested in seeing you support that. On May 25 2019 07:46 Excludos wrote: Ok, to not seem like a massive hypocrite, I'll go the other way: I think GHs post quality has improved massively since he got unbanned... there's more but it feels unnecessary. I also find it funny that you think Lennon saying when he was 17 he would have wanted revolution is supporting your position. I don't know where to start with this. But I guess with the Mao badge he was wearing? The reality is though you are your own worst enemy and until you see this you will keep having issues with me or you could just let it go and accept the mutual non-existent agreement without mod enforcement? and 10 others. Other than a handful of holdouts this number has dwindled significantly upon my return. And I will keep having issues with just you and JJR. And I am OK with that because I know that I am a big reason for that and if I wanted it to stop I could stop it. Please do stop it then, or help me understand what you're getting out of this? Worth adding others have issues with your posting too and have said as much in threads but the vast majority of posters just ignore it, I admit as the named target of so many posts, that's hard for me. You strangely think it is something that happened to you. Not sure what this means? | ||
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JimmiC
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GreenHorizons
United States23298 Posts
On June 15 2019 04:06 JimmiC wrote: ,I am going to stop it now with this post Well this is promising... Hopefully you will mature This is better than "gl kid" I guess? Until of course I decide to post to you we were so close... sigh To quote John Lennon "you can count me out" To quote John Lennon (lol), "you can count me in". | ||
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Sermokala
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GreenHorizons
United States23298 Posts
On June 15 2019 11:50 Sermokala wrote: I reported you because I thought insulting someone based on the meds they were on was really shitty. I don't really see why it was a bad ban as I think you should have been banned if you said that to anyone for any reason. It would seem apparent that my general political philosophy wouldn't support insulting people for taking medication so I think it's fair to presume that's not what I was doing. I literally found the posts from the night before incoherent and sorta stream of consciousness like and they seemed to recognize that as well, mentioning they were posting while medicated when they returned. The next few posts seemed fine and then it rapidly deteriorated back into the more stream of consciousness style and I couldn't follow the argument being made or it's relation to the one in the intervening posts. My phrasing was probably a bit crass, but I think I was understandably frustrated. My intention would never be to insult anyone for taking medication, so I apologize that's the impression I gave. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13990 Posts
JimmiC makes you do bad things. Your friends tell you this when you do bad things and these bad things keep happening. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23298 Posts
On June 15 2019 13:01 Sermokala wrote: I'm not confused about why you posted that. Your relationship with JimmiC caused you to be frustrated and post something that was over the line. Having reasons for and excuses for an action doesn't make said action acceptable. JimmiC makes you do bad things. Your friends tell you this when you do bad things and these bad things keep happening. I wasn't insulting him for taking medication. I didn't understand why his argument devolved so rapidly. So I asked if it was the meds again (thinking he's taking something for allergies or something that makes him drowsy). The curtness is a fair criticism as well as the interpretation I was insulting him for taking meds, it however wasn't my intention. Communication isn't just about what I meant when I said it though, so with consideration to how people interpreted it, I apologize again. I'm not making excuses for inappropriate behavior, I'm explaining that the offense was a result of miscommunication that I take responsibility for my role in but agree with the conclusion that the ban was an error and also the result of a communication breakdown. I feel like I'm making a pretty clear and sincere effort to do what's within my capacity to do to bridge that communication gap. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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GreenHorizons
United States23298 Posts
On June 15 2019 16:06 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: If you have a concern someone may be posting under the influence of whatever, there's this lovely feature called PMs. Try using it next time? Might save us all the headache of you whining. Wasn't really a "concern", but if there's a recipe other than not posting or not disagreeing that "Might save us all the headache of you whining" I'll entertain it. With that in mind, opening up a PM channel with them didn't seem like a wise avenue, particularly now knowing my question was so easily interpreted as it was. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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Edit: Last thing I wanna say in regards to you and JimmiC's on again, off again conversations: Try this recipe, let it go and don't feel the need to always get in the last word. You are telling us JimmiC is the problem but he seems to be able to stop. What more do you want? First you ask for an apology and then later state that you understand why you were banned? You cannot continue to contradict yourself this easily. It's fuel for the fire that is JimmiC's pleasure in conversing with you. Anyway, enjoy your weekend everyone. | ||
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