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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 08 2019 22:01 GMT
#4761
On July 09 2019 06:56 Simberto wrote:
Poor conservatives, always so horribly oppressed by the evil leftist elite.

I like how you guys don't even bother arguing against the idea that there is a double standard anymore.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8982 Posts
July 08 2019 22:03 GMT
#4762
On July 09 2019 07:01 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2019 06:56 Simberto wrote:
Poor conservatives, always so horribly oppressed by the evil leftist elite.

I like how you guys don't even bother arguing against the idea that there is a double standard anymore.

Historically....ya kinda have
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8065 Posts
July 08 2019 22:16 GMT
#4763
Hmm. Can't find the post xDaunt was banned for. A pm maybe?
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
July 08 2019 22:17 GMT
#4764
On July 09 2019 07:16 Excludos wrote:
Hmm. Can't find the post xDaunt was banned for. A pm maybe?


https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=1641#32802
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8065 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-08 22:19:41
July 08 2019 22:19 GMT
#4765
On July 09 2019 07:17 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2019 07:16 Excludos wrote:
Hmm. Can't find the post xDaunt was banned for. A pm maybe?


https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=1641#32802


Ah, 4 hours old, that's why. Thanks!
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
July 08 2019 22:33 GMT
#4766
normally when you put quotation marks around something it indicates an actual quotation, but here on TL it indicates a paraphrasing
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-08 22:40:14
July 08 2019 22:38 GMT
#4767
xDaunt punished, Biff goes free, and people wonder why there’s outrage at an unequal application of the rules. You can allege someone would deny rape on videotape, but you will be banned if you point out that such ridiculous posts separate the wheat from the chaff.

That’s literally the case, 15 hours after the original post and 4 hours after the response.

Mods can’t even use quote marks appropriately on the ban message, to be banned for something he didn’t even say lol.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
July 08 2019 22:52 GMT
#4768
I never post in the thread and only read it, but this ban seems kinda strange to me. Both on the scale of the thread in the last little bit and the scale of xDaunt posts this isn't even close to being the worst post.
Sure, it's kind of a meaningless snarky post but that's half the thread at some points, although xDaunt is definitely overrepresented in the snarkiness category (Kwark is even worse).
If it's a cumulative ban because of snarkiness you can also just say that instead of this ban reason that doesn't really say anything at all.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-08 23:00:13
July 08 2019 22:54 GMT
#4769
The moderation has gone crazy. That's the only conclusion I can draw from latest events.

To be very clear, here is the chain of events:

1. Biff says xDaunt will defend Trump even if he is caught on video raping a 7-yo.
2. xDaunt quotes iyMoon and *agrees* with the post he quotes, and calls a general group of posters who agree with Biff "chaff" (he doesn't even say which posters, although from context it's clearly Biff and Velr).
3. xDaunt gets banned for this.

?! I know xDaunt is on a short leash for past infractions in the thread, but this is just some really bad moderation. Either you let both things slide, and let shitslinging happen in the thread, or you enforce the rules, and Biff gets a timeout. Actioning xDaunt's rather tame response is just bizar in either case.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8982 Posts
July 08 2019 23:01 GMT
#4770
Did he even try to deny the accusation though?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
July 08 2019 23:02 GMT
#4771
I as well am left confused why, of all the many highly questionable posts in that entire series, the one that got singled out for moderation is a subtle jab that few people could think is offensive (“chaff” became “trash” in the ban reason too).

I sure hope this won’t end up being another one of those “it’s not just the one thing, it’s a history of bad behavior” excuses where one questionable ban leads to another, and on the flip side others who inexplicably avoided bans for highly objectionable behavior avoid another one because they don’t have a “history.” That self-referential justification is far too prevalent, it seems.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
July 08 2019 23:03 GMT
#4772
On July 09 2019 08:01 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Did he even try to deny the accusation though?

Does he have to?

If I say "hey, I think zerocool is a serial rapist" do you have to deny that for it to be slander?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23209 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-08 23:07:37
July 08 2019 23:05 GMT
#4773
On July 09 2019 08:02 LegalLord wrote:
I as well am left confused why, of all the many highly questionable posts in that entire series, the one that got singled out for moderation is a subtle jab that few people could think is offensive (“chaff” became “trash” in the ban reason too).

I sure hope this won’t end up being another one of those “it’s not just the one thing, it’s a history of bad behavior” excuses where one questionable ban leads to another, and on the flip side others who inexplicably avoided bans for highly objectionable behavior avoid another one because they don’t have a “history.” That self-referential justification is far too prevalent, it seems.


I'm not even clear how much of my ban history are the bans that were by mistake or I was told that it was a mistake but I should just wait it out.

Yes dmcd, I did choose to pause not posting here to cosign that I thought the ban doesn't make sense either.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8982 Posts
July 08 2019 23:06 GMT
#4774
On July 09 2019 08:03 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2019 08:01 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Did he even try to deny the accusation though?

Does he have to?

If I say "hey, I think zerocool is a serial rapist" do you have to deny that for it to be slander?

I would categorically deny and demand you show proof. You will have me on record saying that is false on every account and tantamount to slander.

See? Easy peasy to denounce a slanderous accusation. Why didn't he? And instead...he went right back to defending trump, proving Biff right.

That was a bad post of xD's to use to justify the ban, however.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8065 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-08 23:08:34
July 08 2019 23:08 GMT
#4775
On July 09 2019 08:03 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2019 08:01 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Did he even try to deny the accusation though?

Does he have to?

If I say "hey, I think zerocool is a serial rapist" do you have to deny that for it to be slander?


Actually, yes. Slander is only defined as such if it is not true. If you can't (or don't want to) deny it, then it is more probably true than not.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23209 Posts
July 08 2019 23:08 GMT
#4776
On July 09 2019 08:06 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2019 08:03 Acrofales wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:01 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Did he even try to deny the accusation though?

Does he have to?

If I say "hey, I think zerocool is a serial rapist" do you have to deny that for it to be slander?

I would categorically deny and demand you show proof. You will have me on record saying that is false on every account and tantamount to slander.

See? Easy peasy to denounce a slanderous accusation..


roflmao, no, it's not that easy.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8065 Posts
July 08 2019 23:09 GMT
#4777
On July 09 2019 08:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2019 08:06 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:03 Acrofales wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:01 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Did he even try to deny the accusation though?

Does he have to?

If I say "hey, I think zerocool is a serial rapist" do you have to deny that for it to be slander?

I would categorically deny and demand you show proof. You will have me on record saying that is false on every account and tantamount to slander.

See? Easy peasy to denounce a slanderous accusation..


roflmao, no, it's not that easy.


It quite literally is. Typing words on a keyboard isn't difficult, you're doing it right now.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8982 Posts
July 08 2019 23:09 GMT
#4778
On July 09 2019 08:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2019 08:06 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:03 Acrofales wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:01 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Did he even try to deny the accusation though?

Does he have to?

If I say "hey, I think zerocool is a serial rapist" do you have to deny that for it to be slander?

I would categorically deny and demand you show proof. You will have me on record saying that is false on every account and tantamount to slander.

See? Easy peasy to denounce a slanderous accusation..


roflmao, no, it's not that easy.

Read the post above mine.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23209 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-08 23:14:29
July 08 2019 23:13 GMT
#4779
On July 09 2019 08:09 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2019 08:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:06 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:03 Acrofales wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:01 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Did he even try to deny the accusation though?

Does he have to?

If I say "hey, I think zerocool is a serial rapist" do you have to deny that for it to be slander?

I would categorically deny and demand you show proof. You will have me on record saying that is false on every account and tantamount to slander.

See? Easy peasy to denounce a slanderous accusation..


roflmao, no, it's not that easy.


It quite literally is. Typing words on a keyboard isn't difficult, you're doing it right now.


Perhaps you missed the years of people making unfounded accusations about my PMs?

On July 09 2019 08:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2019 08:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:06 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:03 Acrofales wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:01 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Did he even try to deny the accusation though?

Does he have to?

If I say "hey, I think zerocool is a serial rapist" do you have to deny that for it to be slander?

I would categorically deny and demand you show proof. You will have me on record saying that is false on every account and tantamount to slander.

See? Easy peasy to denounce a slanderous accusation..


roflmao, no, it's not that easy.

Read the post above mine.


Or just read this thread to see years of it not working?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8065 Posts
July 08 2019 23:15 GMT
#4780
On July 09 2019 08:13 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2019 08:09 Excludos wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:06 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:03 Acrofales wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:01 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Did he even try to deny the accusation though?

Does he have to?

If I say "hey, I think zerocool is a serial rapist" do you have to deny that for it to be slander?

I would categorically deny and demand you show proof. You will have me on record saying that is false on every account and tantamount to slander.

See? Easy peasy to denounce a slanderous accusation..


roflmao, no, it's not that easy.


It quite literally is. Typing words on a keyboard isn't difficult, you're doing it right now.


Perhaps you missed the years of people making unfounded accusations about my PMs?


I did. Did someone slander you, you denied it, they refused to provide proof, and somehow you came out in the wrong?
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