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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8978 Posts
July 08 2019 23:16 GMT
#4781
On July 09 2019 08:13 GreenHorizons wrote:
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On July 09 2019 08:09 Excludos wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:06 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:03 Acrofales wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:01 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Did he even try to deny the accusation though?

Does he have to?

If I say "hey, I think zerocool is a serial rapist" do you have to deny that for it to be slander?

I would categorically deny and demand you show proof. You will have me on record saying that is false on every account and tantamount to slander.

See? Easy peasy to denounce a slanderous accusation..


roflmao, no, it's not that easy.


It quite literally is. Typing words on a keyboard isn't difficult, you're doing it right now.


Perhaps you missed the years of people making unfounded accusations about my PMs?

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On July 09 2019 08:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:06 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:03 Acrofales wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:01 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Did he even try to deny the accusation though?

Does he have to?

If I say "hey, I think zerocool is a serial rapist" do you have to deny that for it to be slander?

I would categorically deny and demand you show proof. You will have me on record saying that is false on every account and tantamount to slander.

See? Easy peasy to denounce a slanderous accusation..


roflmao, no, it's not that easy.

Read the post above mine.


Or just read this thread to see years of it not working?

Right on it. Any suggestions on which year I should start this research into the perceived abuses of power and leftist conspiracy against you? I don't want to waste my time.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23165 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-08 23:17:40
July 08 2019 23:17 GMT
#4782
On July 09 2019 08:15 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2019 08:13 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:09 Excludos wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:06 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:03 Acrofales wrote:
On July 09 2019 08:01 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Did he even try to deny the accusation though?

Does he have to?

If I say "hey, I think zerocool is a serial rapist" do you have to deny that for it to be slander?

I would categorically deny and demand you show proof. You will have me on record saying that is false on every account and tantamount to slander.

See? Easy peasy to denounce a slanderous accusation..


roflmao, no, it's not that easy.


It quite literally is. Typing words on a keyboard isn't difficult, you're doing it right now.


Perhaps you missed the years of people making unfounded accusations about my PMs?


I did. Did someone slander you, you denied it, they refused to provide proof, and somehow you came out in the wrong?


Yeah, they kept lobbing the allegations as fact even after I got permed, in part based on their lies.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4727 Posts
July 09 2019 00:02 GMT
#4783
This is the second instance in recent memory where xDaunt is banned for a rather innocuous post while responding to an absurd personal attack. One must conclude the mods agree with those attacks, I guess. I can't understand these any other way.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13882 Posts
July 09 2019 00:30 GMT
#4784
Real odd to say that accusing other people of supporting child rape isn't a personal attack or insult. But to not even name a staff member in a broad allegory is ban-worthy. Interesting president.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
July 09 2019 00:34 GMT
#4785
seeker’s use of “ ‘trash’ “ is emblematic of the main problem with the thread: people don’t deal with posts charitably, they almost always noxiously paraphrase. “the text has become lost under the interpretation”

The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9608 Posts
July 09 2019 00:38 GMT
#4786
I don't get this ban at all.
Surely its not a rule that we can say what we like to an extreme about xDaunt and he has to shut his mouth. That's really harsh on him.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13882 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-09 00:45:48
July 09 2019 00:45 GMT
#4787
wong thread
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9608 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-09 01:00:22
July 09 2019 00:58 GMT
#4788
Also xDaunt wasn't calling the tl.net community 'trash' or insinuating as such. He was calling people who accuse him of being a rape apologist chaff, and honestly I think he is far from the main offender in that interaction. He was insinuating that it is their level of dialogue that is shit, and he's right.
There's so many better ways to make that point and when i have posted shit like that when i'm drunk or whatever on here i've immediately deleted it out of embarrassment.
RIP Meatloaf <3
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23165 Posts
July 09 2019 01:01 GMT
#4789
On July 09 2019 09:34 IgnE wrote:
seeker’s use of “ ‘trash’ “ is emblematic of the main problem with the thread: people don’t deal with posts charitably, they almost always noxiously paraphrase. “the text has become lost under the interpretation”



This, my "read my posts" was based on this happening repeatedly until a couple people (besides myself) finally said something.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 09 2019 01:06 GMT
#4790
On July 09 2019 06:52 xDaunt wrote:
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On July 09 2019 06:35 Sermokala wrote:
Jeez I didn't realize objecting to saying that you support child rape was pearl clutching farv.

Its good to see just how much people hate other people in the thread. "team evil" "he'd support child rape" "he'd support the holocaust" But no they are the ones in the moral high ground you see they have the correct ideas.

I'm sure the mods will get to the report when they wake up and action him properly. No one wants the thread to degrade that far. If biff is allowed this xdaunt is perfectly in line with saying that people who support open borders (indirectly or not) support the same rape and murder that human traffickers are encouraged by their opinions. Shit will go downhill even from there fast and no one wants that

Let's not delude ourselves. I'd get banned if I said anything approaching what Biff said.

Ironically banned shortly after writing this post. This is website feedback, which is ostensibly read by mods, but rarely posted. Seeker or others, what does
he has demonstrated time and time again that he would keep defending Trump tooth and nail if we had a video of him raping 7 years old girls.
avoid that
It's not very often that we get to sort the wheat and the chaff so easily because the chaff self-identifies itself as such.
in response stumbles into it.

I'm all ears.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37017 Posts
July 09 2019 01:13 GMT
#4791
xDaunt has been unbanned. My apologies for misunderstanding what he was trying to say.

Additionally, Biff was warned for his comment. It was rude and uncalled for.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 09 2019 03:43 GMT
#4792
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15660 Posts
July 09 2019 20:41 GMT
#4793
The thread has gotten weird to the point of where it feels like discussions can rarely make it more than a few replies before someone says something personal. Arguing with the same people for 10+ years has some interesting effects. I'm not sure what the solution is.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9616 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-09 21:15:16
July 09 2019 21:14 GMT
#4794
you don’t make it personal. it’s a choice and it’s one we can choose not to do. if there’s anything xDaunt can’t possibly be more right about, it’s that he’d be instantly permed for saying the shit biff did(posting history as a factor completely held constant, even.)

so how does he avoid it? by not.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 09 2019 22:46 GMT
#4795
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8978 Posts
July 09 2019 23:05 GMT
#4796
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On July 10 2019 07:46 JimmiC wrote:
Very true, people are handled by different standards but it is not because of where they fall on the political spectrum or whether they are Protoss or Zerg. It is how often they go full asshole, and how often they have in the past. The more often you do it the leash gets shorter and shorter. Basically everyone's first reaction to being banned or warned is "BUT..", but then you need to calm down take responsibility and control yourself enough to not do the banable behavior. If you don't do it you won't get banned. If you take a morale stance that your behavior is "right" that is the choice you can make but understand that than the Mod will eventually permaban you. Much like in other businesses they have the right to fire the customer.

The other thing is if you have gotten into argument's with certain people they will actively follow you around and look for reasons to report you. And if the mods see person X is getting reported multiple times a day it is only natural for them to react more on the borderline posts. For this and the above reasons.

I think for all the shit the mods take they do a good job and it is extremely hard to admit mistakes and there have been numerous times various Mods have said "I was wrong, misinterpreted" or what ever. That is not easy.

I say this as someone who for I'm not sure how many years never had a ban or warning, started joining in the US pol thread and was all the sudden a problem. It is part environment but it is also that there are a ton of US pol users who report other US pol users as some sort of gotchu. Which is what it is, but then it is silly to complain about the action that result. If we as a US pol community don't want people banned we should stop reporting each other. If we do want people banned than we have to stop being outraged when it happens.

I mean plansix (who is sadly MIA for a long time, hope he is not gone) would be one of the more "Dem" or "centrist" or whatever posters and he got a permanent ban (which got reduced and then he was rarely actioned again). The difference is he has said on this forum he was banned for being an asshole so he stopped being an asshole. He didn't claim some conspiracy against him or play some made up victim of lies story.

I really don't think the mods pick sides. I don't think they get it 100% right 100% of the time, but how could they.


Well said.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23165 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-10 00:14:11
July 10 2019 00:02 GMT
#4797
On July 10 2019 06:14 brian wrote:
you don’t make it personal. it’s a choice and it’s one we can choose not to do. if there’s anything xDaunt can’t possibly be more right about, it’s that he’d be instantly permed for saying the shit biff did(posting history as a factor completely held constant, even.)

so how does he avoid it? by not.


I think posters that typically get a lot more leeway to insult people personally, shitpost, etc don't see the problem with the double standard, or see it at all.

It also typically turns a multi-day/week ban on the person who was mistakenly actioned into a warning (that may or may not even be public) to the person that actually violated the rules.

I'll just say I've noticed who changed their engagement with me after my perm and refusal to return personal insults and those who haven't and appreciate those who have.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-10 00:12:37
July 10 2019 00:11 GMT
#4798
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12154 Posts
July 10 2019 00:20 GMT
#4799
On July 10 2019 09:11 JimmiC wrote:
And what does the double standard target is it conservatives? Or perhaps is it combative personalities?


It's a little more complicated than that. There are people with combative personalities in the center who are targeted less (I know I've talked about you before DMCD, nothing personal, you're just an easy example), and there are people who are outside the center that don't have combative personalities who aren't targeted more (Introvert).
No will to live, no wish to die
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 10 2019 00:38 GMT
#4800
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