EPTUS Politics Feedback Thread - Page 187
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
In any case, the moment has certainly passed by now and all the RIPs have been posted. Waiting any longer serves no purpose but to allow for whitewashing. Only very selectively does bashing the dead seem "wrong and inconsiderate" in a way that seems to be more in line with political affiliation than with actual respect for the recently deceased. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On August 26 2018 11:33 Seeker wrote: A reminder to everyone that John McCain passing does not mean that you get a free pass to insult him and say whatever you want. If you have nothing good to say, then please just don't say anything at all. This did not appear to be afforded to other political figures who caused as much death and destruction. Do we normally can insult him if he was alive? Do we normally can write phrases with nothing good to say about a public political figure? Normally yes, because he is a public political figure, just as much as we insult Bush, Obama, Clinton and Trump. So why is there only one sided praise allowed? Under such a mod note, even to write that he would have a controversial legacy would run foul of such a rule. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23211 Posts
On August 27 2018 22:18 Plansix wrote: People don’t report posts, they come here to complain and wait for the moderators to stumble acrosss their specific issue. I think people have different approaches. Personally I'm generally against most of the banning and prefer people settling things themselves, so if I end up here it's usually because someone was banned (sometimes myself) and point to how it's reflective of other posts of equal or lesser quality. If I do report something it's usually just to make a point. I'm not a fan of running to the mods instead of discussing something if there's a disagreement or some sharp words. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On August 27 2018 22:07 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Did someone report grumbels? I got the impression that no one did. Every now and them a dictator dies and no one cares for calling it good riddance, most notably Castro. Heck no one cared for Thatcher. But even if someone did, what I take offence to is this: This did not appear to be afforded to other political figures who caused as much death and destruction. Do we normally can insult him if he was alive? Do we normally can write phrases with nothing good to say about a public political figure? Normally yes, because he is a public political figure, just as much as we insult Bush, Obama, Clinton and Trump. So why is there only one sided praise allowed? Under such a mod note, even to write that he would have a controversial legacy would run foul of such a rule. I think this is a clearer statement of what is moderator policy and what is merely good taste: On August 26 2018 11:51 micronesia wrote: There is a difference between being critical in response to an obituary, and responding to it with a one liner that says 'good riddance.' Nothing wrong with helping people realize there's more to the story than simply a perfect American hero, but your fist post was very questionable. edit: I should clarify that I too personally think people should stick to saying positive things (or nothing) immediately after someone dies like this, but that's etiquette and decency, not policy and rules. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23211 Posts
On August 27 2018 23:09 Acrofales wrote: Ok, I only really saw what IgnE posted from what was cited here. Him posting pithy one-liners that get him banned are not something new. Him being completely misunderstood by almost everybody is also nothing new. So sounds like IgnE in a nutshell  I also don't really feel like re-litigating the whole McCain died thing. I agree with you (and with Grumbels) that him dying doesn't mean we should stop being critical of him. I disagree that "being an asshole" is the way to do it. And insofar as I understand things, grumbels got banned for being an asshole about it, first and foremost. Nobody else got warned for bringing up (valid) criticism of McCain's actions throughout his career, did they? The issue that Grumbles was getting at and what drove the tone of the posting was that there wasn't anyone else being critical. Granted I've been allowed some space to do so here as I'm not posting in the US politics thread itself. Pretty sure if I had I'd have been banned too regardless of the tone or validity, particularly because of this: A reminder to everyone that John McCain passing does not mean that you get a free pass to insult him and say whatever you want. If you have nothing good to say, then please just don't say anything at all. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21663 Posts
On August 27 2018 22:18 Plansix wrote: I would guess its because the most vocal complainers have had their report button taken away for reporting to many unactioned posts.People don’t report posts, they come here to complain and wait for the moderators to stumble acrosss their specific issue. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23211 Posts
On August 27 2018 23:29 Plansix wrote: Both of them are moderators, so I don’t believe Seeker’s word is law. I can't speak for others but I know as far as I'm concerned that's the case. Seeker would have to be obscenely/egregiously wrong to get overruled in the US politics thread. On August 27 2018 23:35 Gorsameth wrote: I would guess its because the most vocal complainers have had their report button taken away for reporting to many unactioned posts. Not sure that applies to anyone but zlefin, which if that was your point, ouch. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23211 Posts
On August 27 2018 23:39 Plansix wrote: Seeker perma banned me and got talked down by other moderators, so I don’t believe that is correct. I would say perming you was egregiously wrong, but you're right that perm bans are where I also think other moderators could be appealed to. Otherwise, it's extremely unlikely imo. | ||
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 28 2018 00:15 Seeker wrote: I'm confused... Why are we still discussing this? What else do you guys need clarified exactly? Are you, in fact, the God King(TM) of US Pol thread moderation? And if so, how many mods must object to overturn the God King’s decision? | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On August 28 2018 00:15 Seeker wrote: I'm confused... Why are we still discussing this? What else do you guys need clarified exactly? Thank you for clarifying that the ban on McCain criticism was temporary. When Ayatolla Khomeni dies are you planning on enforcing 3 days of RIP? This is not theoretical, it's quite likely to happen soonish. If not where is the line, and what is the rule that is used to justify what several of us see as hypocritical enforcement of respect for the recently deceased only in select instances? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23211 Posts
I'm not a fan of running to the mods instead of discussing something if there's a disagreement or some sharp words. For example | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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