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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
I nominate one of the best terran players on the NA server, lizzuma! He is rated very high on the ladder: http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1227094/EtsurLizzuma He has also won just about every LAN tournament in Michigan. Basically this is a guy who definitely knows what he's talking about when he posts in the strategy forum. Here are some of his posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=194401¤tpage=3#53 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=186509 | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
infinity21 ThE_OsToJiY Ver | ||
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Taxo
Belgium23 Posts
for example these three guides that are all featured in the SC2 recommended treads tread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=192233 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=194376 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=196385 | ||
Waxangel
United States33385 Posts
Spanishiwa  ? | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
shoefactory (Shoey) iamke55 I will definitely highlight Spanishwa if he posts in threads besides his own | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
On May 16 2011 10:50 iamke55 wrote: lol why would you highlight someone who lost to mass archons I think the real question is why would I highlight someone who lost with mass archons | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
KawaiiRice | ||
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Zealot Lord
Hong Kong747 Posts
I don't see many posters giving his type of effort when it comes to replying posts with insightful answers (there's no biased crap and such). An example of some of his replies can be seen here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187808¤tpage=156 And here is one of the threads he started: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=230939 (which as you can see is very legit) | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
Hawk2 (vileHawk) blade55555 (sPs.blade) | ||
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edc
United States666 Posts
I have a serious question: is it all right for someone to nominate himself? I'm not planning on doing so, but it would be nice if this question was answered. | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
On July 04 2011 17:55 edc wrote: Of course the entire TL pro team is on the list :p. I have a serious question: is it all right for someone to nominate himself? I'm not planning on doing so, but it would be nice if this question was answered. Yes it's fine. | ||
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Stipulation
United States587 Posts
On June 16 2011 08:20 Zealot Lord wrote: I'd like to nominate Geiko to be a highlighted poster - he is very friendly, knowledgeable and helpful imo; he follows all the rules and brings a lot to the SC2 strategy forum discussions. I don't see many posters giving his type of effort when it comes to replying posts with insightful answers (there's no biased crap and such). An example of some of his replies can be seen here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187808¤tpage=156 And here is one of the threads he started: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=230939 (which as you can see is very legit) I second this. He puts a lot of thought and work into his post. He also maintains humility and openness when receiving criticism. Example post: On July 04 2011 20:47 Geiko wrote: It depends what you mean by far behind. You won't be behind in gas which is what PvP is all about. You'll be a bit behind if you chose twilight tech, as blink vs robo is hard to play. But not greatly behind. The rock-scisor-paper aspect of PvP isn't something that can be solved through a build order, but this is the BO that I like to do to still be able to keep up in tech if I chose the wrong tech path. I explained how to deal with DTs, but the most effective way of stopping it is with good intuition that they are coming (poking, scouting with probes etc...) And yeah I did work on those timings alone (took me a lot of time optimising so everything would fall into place at 5:50) | ||
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United States2266 Posts
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Geiko
France1939 Posts
Two great PvP guides, and excellent answers on the protoss topics these past few weeks. + Show Spoiler + I also second myself because blue looks so sexy ^^ | ||
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CurtisC
United States33 Posts
On February 22 2011 16:57 mufin wrote: will you guys ever implement a "Go to next highlighted post" button? kind've like the next Blue post button on the battle.net forums. This would be awesome. I haven't seen enough highlighted posts lately and I can't bring myself to scroll through 30 pages looking for one. Perhaps other features like an icon next to a thread that has highlighted posts in it? I would also like to see something like the highlight system extend out of the strategy forum, for example I would like to see what the SC2 intellectual elite think about PTR changes without reading each name for 80+ pages. Sorry if this is the wrong place for my thoughts. | ||
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iChau
United States1210 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + PvP: MC defensive 3 gate: + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2011 14:56 4kmonk wrote: Hello, this is NrGmonk and today I will be teaching you a defensive 3 gate build. This is yet another viable defensive PvP build that hold a 4 gate. oGsMC, widely considered the world's best protoss as of the writing of this guide, uses it almost exclusively as his macro PvP build. Be warned though that this is a very advanced build and has a high difficulty of execution. After 15 games, my success rate was 33% while after 30 games it was only 75%. I was making both execution mistakes and not accounting for every little thing that could go wrong. Again, this build is not for a casual player, as the timings are razor thin and any one small mistake will cost you the game. However, with the help of this guide you should do better than I did, as not only will I teach you the build order, I will go through it and mention exactly what you should be paying attention to at each point in time. When to do this build: + Show Spoiler + This build is an all purpose build for when you think your opponent could be 4 gating you. Do not use it if he's mined too much gas or used too many chornoboosts on his probes. Build order: + Show Spoiler + 9 pylon *chronoboost probes 12 gate *cb probes 14 gas, mine gas immediately after 15 plyon 16 cyber 17 or 18 zealot 21 stalker 21 warpgates *cb x 4 on warpgates cut probes at 24 supply or 20 probes ----- Before this point, this is the normal protoss opening 24 or 25 pylon in back of base 24 or 25 gas, mine gas immediately after 24 or 25 probe 24 or 25 stalker 27 probe 28 gateway 28 gateway resume probe production 30 sentry *cb sentry at 5:13 32 pylon 34 sentry 36 stalker 38 stalker ----- Notes: -You can abandon this build midway at any time during it when you make a read that your opponent is not 4 gating. This can be your opponent not being aggressive -If your opponent gas steals you, attack the gas and continue with the build. -You can make a slight alteration of the build by either delaying or not delaying your 3rd plyon. Delaying your 3rd pylon sells more to your opponent that you're 4 gating while not delaying the 3rd pylon allows you to get 1 more probe out in the long run. Keep in mind that if your opponent's scouting probe leaves your base extremely early, you don't have to make this choice. Important timings: + Show Spoiler + For future references, these are the important timings of this build versus the standard 4 gate. These timings are also useful for someone trying to immitate the build. 4:20 Your first stalker comes out 5:00 Your second stalker comes out 5:30 Your first sentry comes out 5:40 Your second sentry starts warping in 5:45 Your second sentry warps in 5:45 First wave of your opponet's 4 stalkers warp in 5:55 Second and third gateways finish 6:05 Your 3rd and 4th stalker start warping in 6:10 Your 3rd and 4th stalker warp in 6:12 First wave of your opponent's 4 zealots warp in Pylon build time: 25 seconds Train of thought during this build: + Show Spoiler + 4:20-4:50 Chase the enemy scouting probe and scout the inital vicinity of your base for pylons. 4:50-5:10 Be careful during this moment as there is a timing where you only have 1 zealot and 1 stalker and your opponent can possibly have 1 zealot 1 stalker and a probe at your ramp to build proxy pylons. Take a stance slightly in front of your ramp and immidately target any probes that try to approach your ramp. 5:00-5:50 During this time frame you have 1 zealot and 2 stalkers, which gives you map control on your side of the map. At 5:45 your opponent's first wave of units warp in and it will take about 5-10 seconds to get to your base, at which point you lose map control. Use this map control to aggressively scout your side of the map for units and pylons. However, do not leave your ramp vulnerable to any enemy probes. A probe building a pylon at your ramp or in your base before 5:20 is usually gg as he will be able to warp his first wave of units in your base. Thus on some maps such as xelnaga caverns where there are multiple paths to your base, you have to play slightly more defensive whereas on a map like shattered temple or shakrus plataeu, you can have your units more forward. Your goal at this stage is to delay the proxy pylon at your ramp as much as possible. His first wave of zealots warp in at 6:12 at the earliest and pylons take 25 seconds to build. Thus, any one second the proxy pylon at the ramp is delayed past 5:47 means that the first warpin is delayed by that many seconds. However, if you cannot delay this proxy pylon, it's not the end of the world. Do not chase your opponent's units. Chasing them may let you get a free zealot, but you risk the chance of your army getting cut in half or your opponent throwing down proxy pylons at your ramp, both of which are not worth the zealot. 5:50-6:12 This is this part where we actually try to defend the 4 gate. The first part is keeping your marco up. As soon as you confirm a 4 gate, build a 4th gate, cut probes, and remember to build units as soon as you can and pylons as soon as you need them. You actually don't need th 4th gate, but it's a nice safety precaution. Plus, your booming economy should be able to support 4 gates. Next, initally position your army so that your stalkers can hit his proxy pylons and get free hits on any units that attempt to run up the ramp. The next part is extremely important: Do not get trigger happy with force field. Many people spam forcefield on their ramp and die when they've made too many sentries and they've run out of forcefields. Between 5:50 and 6:12, your opponent will only have 6 stalkers and 1 zealot, nothing more, probably nothing less. If your opponent does not try to run up your ramp, do not forcefield the ramp. If he does, idealy you want to forcefield 2 units above your ramp and micro back so that the enemy stalkers on low ground can't hit you. Forcefielding 3 units in is a bit dangerous and forcefielding 4 units in will probably lose you the game. This is one of the difficulties in executing this build: perfect forcefields. 6:12-~6:30 Your opponent will try to warp in his first wave of zealots at 6:12 or when his proxy pylon at your ramp finishes, whichever one comes second. Forcefield the ramp as soon as you see any warpins or a unit try to run up your ramp. Alternatively, forcefield your ramp at 6:12 or when his proxy pylon at your ramp finishes. The logic behind this is that you either force him to warp above the forcefield and get bludgeoned by stalker fire or you force him to warp on low ground. 6:30 onwards From this point, just keep forcefielding during warpins or if units try to run up the ramp. Keep making stalkers unless you see you won't have a forcefield coming up and in that case make a sentry. If executed correctly, this build should not have to build anymore than 3 sentries. If you feel safe, resume probe production and add a tech building. Blink is generally the best transition since you've made so many stalkers but robo can work as well if you're deathly affraid of dts. Common mistakes: + Show Spoiler + Overextending your first 3 units and losing them Venturing too far from your ramp and letting proxy pylons get thrown down Bad decision making on forcefields Missed forced fields Not morphing warpgates and warping in units in time Not being aggressive enough with first 3 units Bad army positioning during the 4 gate attack Advantages and disadvantage over other defensive PvP builds: + Show Spoiler + Currently the other popular defensive PvP builds include the following: Defensive 4 gate Quick 2nd gas into 3 stalker rush IMYounghwa 3 stalker robo Other 3 stalker rush builds Geiko's defensive 3 gate 1 gas 2 gate robo opening Advantanges: Looks exactly like a 4 gate, so it will force a macro player to play more defensively if he wants to be safe. Many more probes than other builds: can go up to 26 at 6:00 Does not include a walloff in the build. Does not depend as much on denying a proxy pylon. Gets a 2nd gas and a fairly fast one. Does not care as much if your gas gets stolen. Does not lock you into a specific tech tree, ie blink. Disadvantages: Requires 2 sentries whereas other builds do not. You may have to build that 2nd sentry if for some reason you're not 100% sure he's 4 gating. Doesn't get as much gas as some other safe builds. Very difficult build to pull off and not forgiving for mistakes. Example replays and vods: + Show Spoiler + Standard game vs standard 4 gate http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/9882 I don't execute 100% perfectly but I still held it off. Defense vs 4 gate into long game http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/9883 You can see the transition into a long game Starswar MC vs xiaoT Game 1-Loss http://sc2rep.com/replays/(P)oGsMC_vs_(P)CCMxiaOt__sc2rep_com_20110621/10103 MC is too aggressive with his first 3 units and loses them and thus the game Starswar MC vs xiaoT Game 2-Win http://sc2rep.com/replays/(P)oGsMC_vs_(P)CCMxiaOt_metalopolis_sc2rep_com_20110621/10104 MC does this build vs a defensive 4 gate transitions to robo Starswar MC vs xiaoT Game 3-Win http://sc2rep.com/replays/(P)oGsMC_vs_(P)CCMxiaOt__sc2rep_com_20110621/10105 MC does this build vs a non 4 gate and transitions to dts Starswar MC vs LoveCD Game 4-Win http://sc2rep.com/replays/(P)WEGIGALovecd_vs_(P)oGsMC_metalopolis_sc2rep_com_20110623/10228 MC does this build vs a 4 gate but his opponent backs off and MC transitions to blink Starswar MC vs LoveCD Game 5-Win http://sc2rep.com/replays/(P)oGsMC_vs_(P)WEGIGALovecd__sc2rep_com_20110623/10229 MC does this build vs non 4 gate and transitions to dts GSL MC vs Huk Game 1-Win http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors4/vod/65750 MC starts doing the build but abandons it when he makes the read that huk is not 4 gating. GSL MC vs Hungun Game 4-Loss http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors4/vod/65774 MC does this build vs non 4 gate and transitions to robo GSL MC vs Hungun Game 4-Loss http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors4/vod/65774 Hungun exploits a brilliant timing and manages to put a proxy pylon in MC's main. MC's mistakes were not being forward enough to target the incoming probe and not pulling probes to kill the pylon in his base. FAQs: + Show Spoiler + Does this build work on talderim altar? No. How does this build do vs Adelscott's no gas 2 gate build? This question is irrelavent as you scout adelscott's build way before commiting to this build. I tried this build and it failed. What did I do wrong? Post the replay and I'll tell you. Comments and criticisms are welcome. Grammar/spelling/formatting corrections are also welcome. Also, if you liked this guide, be sure to check out my PvP Robo twilight guide. NrGmonk.151 PvP: Robo twilight style + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2011 14:56 4kmonk wrote: Hello, this is NrGmonk and today I will be teaching you a defensive 3 gate build. This is yet another viable defensive PvP build that hold a 4 gate. oGsMC, widely considered the world's best protoss as of the writing of this guide, uses it almost exclusively as his macro PvP build. Be warned though that this is a very advanced build and has a high difficulty of execution. After 15 games, my success rate was 33% while after 30 games it was only 75%. I was making both execution mistakes and not accounting for every little thing that could go wrong. Again, this build is not for a casual player, as the timings are razor thin and any one small mistake will cost you the game. However, with the help of this guide you should do better than I did, as not only will I teach you the build order, I will go through it and mention exactly what you should be paying attention to at each point in time. When to do this build: + Show Spoiler + This build is an all purpose build for when you think your opponent could be 4 gating you. Do not use it if he's mined too much gas or used too many chornoboosts on his probes. Build order: + Show Spoiler + 9 pylon *chronoboost probes 12 gate *cb probes 14 gas, mine gas immediately after 15 plyon 16 cyber 17 or 18 zealot 21 stalker 21 warpgates *cb x 4 on warpgates cut probes at 24 supply or 20 probes ----- Before this point, this is the normal protoss opening 24 or 25 pylon in back of base 24 or 25 gas, mine gas immediately after 24 or 25 probe 24 or 25 stalker 27 probe 28 gateway 28 gateway resume probe production 30 sentry *cb sentry at 5:13 32 pylon 34 sentry 36 stalker 38 stalker ----- Notes: -You can abandon this build midway at any time during it when you make a read that your opponent is not 4 gating. This can be your opponent not being aggressive -If your opponent gas steals you, attack the gas and continue with the build. -You can make a slight alteration of the build by either delaying or not delaying your 3rd plyon. Delaying your 3rd pylon sells more to your opponent that you're 4 gating while not delaying the 3rd pylon allows you to get 1 more probe out in the long run. Keep in mind that if your opponent's scouting probe leaves your base extremely early, you don't have to make this choice. Important timings: + Show Spoiler + For future references, these are the important timings of this build versus the standard 4 gate. These timings are also useful for someone trying to immitate the build. 4:20 Your first stalker comes out 5:00 Your second stalker comes out 5:30 Your first sentry comes out 5:40 Your second sentry starts warping in 5:45 Your second sentry warps in 5:45 First wave of your opponet's 4 stalkers warp in 5:55 Second and third gateways finish 6:05 Your 3rd and 4th stalker start warping in 6:10 Your 3rd and 4th stalker warp in 6:12 First wave of your opponent's 4 zealots warp in Pylon build time: 25 seconds Train of thought during this build: + Show Spoiler + 4:20-4:50 Chase the enemy scouting probe and scout the inital vicinity of your base for pylons. 4:50-5:10 Be careful during this moment as there is a timing where you only have 1 zealot and 1 stalker and your opponent can possibly have 1 zealot 1 stalker and a probe at your ramp to build proxy pylons. Take a stance slightly in front of your ramp and immidately target any probes that try to approach your ramp. 5:00-5:50 During this time frame you have 1 zealot and 2 stalkers, which gives you map control on your side of the map. At 5:45 your opponent's first wave of units warp in and it will take about 5-10 seconds to get to your base, at which point you lose map control. Use this map control to aggressively scout your side of the map for units and pylons. However, do not leave your ramp vulnerable to any enemy probes. A probe building a pylon at your ramp or in your base before 5:20 is usually gg as he will be able to warp his first wave of units in your base. Thus on some maps such as xelnaga caverns where there are multiple paths to your base, you have to play slightly more defensive whereas on a map like shattered temple or shakrus plataeu, you can have your units more forward. Your goal at this stage is to delay the proxy pylon at your ramp as much as possible. His first wave of zealots warp in at 6:12 at the earliest and pylons take 25 seconds to build. Thus, any one second the proxy pylon at the ramp is delayed past 5:47 means that the first warpin is delayed by that many seconds. However, if you cannot delay this proxy pylon, it's not the end of the world. Do not chase your opponent's units. Chasing them may let you get a free zealot, but you risk the chance of your army getting cut in half or your opponent throwing down proxy pylons at your ramp, both of which are not worth the zealot. 5:50-6:12 This is this part where we actually try to defend the 4 gate. The first part is keeping your marco up. As soon as you confirm a 4 gate, build a 4th gate, cut probes, and remember to build units as soon as you can and pylons as soon as you need them. You actually don't need th 4th gate, but it's a nice safety precaution. Plus, your booming economy should be able to support 4 gates. Next, initally position your army so that your stalkers can hit his proxy pylons and get free hits on any units that attempt to run up the ramp. The next part is extremely important: Do not get trigger happy with force field. Many people spam forcefield on their ramp and die when they've made too many sentries and they've run out of forcefields. Between 5:50 and 6:12, your opponent will only have 6 stalkers and 1 zealot, nothing more, probably nothing less. If your opponent does not try to run up your ramp, do not forcefield the ramp. If he does, idealy you want to forcefield 2 units above your ramp and micro back so that the enemy stalkers on low ground can't hit you. Forcefielding 3 units in is a bit dangerous and forcefielding 4 units in will probably lose you the game. This is one of the difficulties in executing this build: perfect forcefields. 6:12-~6:30 Your opponent will try to warp in his first wave of zealots at 6:12 or when his proxy pylon at your ramp finishes, whichever one comes second. Forcefield the ramp as soon as you see any warpins or a unit try to run up your ramp. Alternatively, forcefield your ramp at 6:12 or when his proxy pylon at your ramp finishes. The logic behind this is that you either force him to warp above the forcefield and get bludgeoned by stalker fire or you force him to warp on low ground. 6:30 onwards From this point, just keep forcefielding during warpins or if units try to run up the ramp. Keep making stalkers unless you see you won't have a forcefield coming up and in that case make a sentry. If executed correctly, this build should not have to build anymore than 3 sentries. If you feel safe, resume probe production and add a tech building. Blink is generally the best transition since you've made so many stalkers but robo can work as well if you're deathly affraid of dts. Common mistakes: + Show Spoiler + Overextending your first 3 units and losing them Venturing too far from your ramp and letting proxy pylons get thrown down Bad decision making on forcefields Missed forced fields Not morphing warpgates and warping in units in time Not being aggressive enough with first 3 units Bad army positioning during the 4 gate attack Advantages and disadvantage over other defensive PvP builds: + Show Spoiler + Currently the other popular defensive PvP builds include the following: Defensive 4 gate Quick 2nd gas into 3 stalker rush IMYounghwa 3 stalker robo Other 3 stalker rush builds Geiko's defensive 3 gate 1 gas 2 gate robo opening Advantanges: Looks exactly like a 4 gate, so it will force a macro player to play more defensively if he wants to be safe. Many more probes than other builds: can go up to 26 at 6:00 Does not include a walloff in the build. Does not depend as much on denying a proxy pylon. Gets a 2nd gas and a fairly fast one. Does not care as much if your gas gets stolen. Does not lock you into a specific tech tree, ie blink. Disadvantages: Requires 2 sentries whereas other builds do not. You may have to build that 2nd sentry if for some reason you're not 100% sure he's 4 gating. Doesn't get as much gas as some other safe builds. Very difficult build to pull off and not forgiving for mistakes. Example replays and vods: + Show Spoiler + Standard game vs standard 4 gate http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/9882 I don't execute 100% perfectly but I still held it off. Defense vs 4 gate into long game http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/9883 You can see the transition into a long game Starswar MC vs xiaoT Game 1-Loss http://sc2rep.com/replays/(P)oGsMC_vs_(P)CCMxiaOt__sc2rep_com_20110621/10103 MC is too aggressive with his first 3 units and loses them and thus the game Starswar MC vs xiaoT Game 2-Win http://sc2rep.com/replays/(P)oGsMC_vs_(P)CCMxiaOt_metalopolis_sc2rep_com_20110621/10104 MC does this build vs a defensive 4 gate transitions to robo Starswar MC vs xiaoT Game 3-Win http://sc2rep.com/replays/(P)oGsMC_vs_(P)CCMxiaOt__sc2rep_com_20110621/10105 MC does this build vs a non 4 gate and transitions to dts Starswar MC vs LoveCD Game 4-Win http://sc2rep.com/replays/(P)WEGIGALovecd_vs_(P)oGsMC_metalopolis_sc2rep_com_20110623/10228 MC does this build vs a 4 gate but his opponent backs off and MC transitions to blink Starswar MC vs LoveCD Game 5-Win http://sc2rep.com/replays/(P)oGsMC_vs_(P)WEGIGALovecd__sc2rep_com_20110623/10229 MC does this build vs non 4 gate and transitions to dts GSL MC vs Huk Game 1-Win http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors4/vod/65750 MC starts doing the build but abandons it when he makes the read that huk is not 4 gating. GSL MC vs Hungun Game 4-Loss http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors4/vod/65774 MC does this build vs non 4 gate and transitions to robo GSL MC vs Hungun Game 4-Loss http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors4/vod/65774 Hungun exploits a brilliant timing and manages to put a proxy pylon in MC's main. MC's mistakes were not being forward enough to target the incoming probe and not pulling probes to kill the pylon in his base. FAQs: + Show Spoiler + Does this build work on talderim altar? No. How does this build do vs Adelscott's no gas 2 gate build? This question is irrelavent as you scout adelscott's build way before commiting to this build. I tried this build and it failed. What did I do wrong? Post the replay and I'll tell you. Comments and criticisms are welcome. Grammar/spelling/formatting corrections are also welcome. Also, if you liked this guide, be sure to check out my PvP Robo twilight guide. NrGmonk.151 Here are some of his posts: + Show Spoiler + On August 24 2011 22:34 4kmonk wrote: Slow down a bit. You ask a billion questions within the span of a post. You're more likely to get a response if you're not all over the place. I'll address the your main theme of the drop issue. The best way to stop drops is vision. Watch towers, observers and pylons. With vision you can where his army is or where it isn't. You can then optimally position your army to where it needs to be. Watch common drop paths; if you don't see units pass by those paths, you don't need units there. If you see his main army, judge how big it is versus how big it should be. You can then make a guess if there's a drop on the map. Without a robo, you'll have more trouble with vision. An alternative solution in this scenario would be to pressure the terran front so he feels he can't commit to a drop. Unit composition to defend drops actually doesn't matter as much. You can use blink stalkers or chargelots + templar or dts. All can work. + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2011 19:01 4kmonk wrote: You invested in too much stuff that wasn't units. Twilight + charge + cannon + +1 air attack + 5 extra probes is all unnecessary. With your first poke up his ramp, you see 2 sentries and 2 stalkers. That's enough to rule out dts until you phoenix get to his base to scout. If you want to expand and hold a 1 base allin, cut out all that crap. I count 850 wasted minerals and 400 wasted gas. You'd be much much better off turning those unit zealots and stalkers. None of that stuff kicks in in time for you to hold off the allin. After you scout that he counterexpanded, then you can gradually add all of that stuff. Also, it's a misconception that if you just get phoenix and he just gets collosi that you automatically win. You have to actually do some damage with those phoenix. This can be demonstrated in a recent game between socke and mana from the iem cologne tournament on metal. Socke hides 7 phoenix and tries to allin mana with immortal gateway phoenix vs 3 collosi + and expansion. Socke loses badly. The strength of the phoenix versus the collosi is if you invest so many resources into collosi, you won't have enough gas to make sufficient stalkers to defend the phoenix harrass. For a strategy that stands toe to toe with collosi, check out my profile for the robo twilight strategy, which is by far the most common strategy used in korea atm. + Show Spoiler + On August 19 2011 09:24 4kmonk wrote: You should have scouted his main before a pool finishes. If so, check if he has a gas. If he does, hide your probe somewhere and go back into his main at around 4:00. Check his gas again. Are there still drones on it? How much gas has he mined? If he's mined more than 100 gas, then you should suspect a roach or baneling allin. From there on, you need at least 2 well placed cannons. Do not hug your cannons against other buildings. Instead, place them one space behind those buildings so that roaches cannot target them. Chorno out sentries and block any holes into your base with gateways/pylons as he kills your buildings. He also analyzes a lot of replays (so much lovely advice) in The Protoss Help Me Thread (just look at his profile.) He's also an active poster. | ||
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