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I would like to express my distaste for the notion of changing the TL time zone.
While the advent of SC2 has started many tournaments in foreign time zones, The GSL still represents more events than any other time zone. It also consistently has a higher level of competition than anything else in the world, and is the only tournament that is important enough to receive “featured news,” (the TSL will have similar competition level, but since it has not started yet I can still make these statements). This doesn’t even take into account broodwar, which is exclusively in KST.
While the vast majority of TL isn’t from Korea, a change in time zone would only benefit those who live in the time zone that we change to (because it is winning the poll, let’s say EST). Only 33% of TL lives in EST, so more people will be satisfied if more than 1/3 of people want it to stay the same, even if 60% would want it to change. It should also be considered that the number people who want it to stay the same would need to be less than 33%, as there are people like me who live in EST, but wants the KST to stay.
There is also an argument to be had for the tradition of it, but that one is a lot harder to articulate.
Honestly I feel a bit betrayed by the poll. If you wanted to know which time zone most TL users wanted why can’t you just ask that? I will now be forced to consider the ramification of my responses from now on. Poll about what your ancestry is? Now TL is not only in polish, but only covers eastern European events. Poll about favorite streamer? Now TL only supports 3 streams. Poll about favorite xbox game? Now TL is no longer a starcraft site. Yes, these examples are on the extreme side, but I’ve made my point.
I feel that R1ch did not post the whole story in his brief post, but I can only respond to the informaton I am given. Please keep it the same.
+ Show Spoiler +I feel compelled to announce that it pains me to argue in terms of SC2 and leave broodwar as an afterthought, but I have a feeling that an argument centered around broodwar would be overlooked by most 
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Keep in mind, if TL changes their timezone to EST, it would not only benefit those in the EST, it would benefit everyone in the US in general as it is MUCH easier to make a timezone conversion from EST to say PST or CET when compared to making a timezone conversion from KST to PST and having to deal with a day ahead etc etc.
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Croatia9558 Posts
Oh, I didn't know the reason for poll was that. Does seems kinda like cheating. Why not just make a poll, "What time zone you want TL to run at?".
Not that it's a big deal really as OP is painting it to be, but KST zone definitely feels like part of TL's personality and I'd hate to see it changed.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Don't worry guys, we're not going to be changing anything if we don't feel that it is an improvement over what we have at the moment.
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Hyrule19257 Posts
Your argument is flawed. The poll asks what timezone people are in, not what timezone people want TL in. It could very well be that while 60% of TL is outside EST, 85% of TL would rather have EST than KST.
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Most of TL's population is split between Europe and the Americas seeing as TL is a generally a site for foreigners who don't know Korean.
It makes sense to use a timezone that at least a great deal of the TL user base would be able to easily decipher.
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No clue why the site uses a fixed timezone, that's quite a bit 2000, no clue why tl does not just add a profile option which converts everything, just like it does for the date/time forum markup code
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Braavos36402 Posts
On February 15 2011 17:41 hacklebeast wrote:
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Honestly I feel a bit betrayed by the poll. If you wanted to know which time zone most TL users wanted why can’t you just ask that? I will now be forced to consider the ramification of my responses from now on. Poll about what your ancestry is? Now TL is not only in polish, but only covers eastern European events. Poll about favorite streamer? Now TL only supports 3 streams. Poll about favorite xbox game? Now TL is no longer a starcraft site. Yes, these examples are on the extreme side, but I’ve made my point.
We don't want to know what time zone TL users want. We want to know what time zone TL users are in. That's exactly what the poll asks.
As for your other examples, they're pretty ridiculous, it's very hard to take your criticism seriously when you're suggesting that we'd switch the entire language of our site or make TL not about Starcraft because of a poll.
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On February 16 2011 08:16 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2011 17:41 hacklebeast wrote:
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Honestly I feel a bit betrayed by the poll. If you wanted to know which time zone most TL users wanted why can’t you just ask that? I will now be forced to consider the ramification of my responses from now on. Poll about what your ancestry is? Now TL is not only in polish, but only covers eastern European events. Poll about favorite streamer? Now TL only supports 3 streams. Poll about favorite xbox game? Now TL is no longer a starcraft site. Yes, these examples are on the extreme side, but I’ve made my point. We don't want to know what time zone TL users want. We want to know what time zone TL users are in. That's exactly what the poll asks. As for your other examples, they're pretty ridiculous, it's very hard to take your criticism seriously when you're suggesting that we'd switch the entire language of our site or make TL not about Starcraft because of a poll.
If R1ch's post is correct, then why would want to know where users are as opposed to what users want?
And I could have gone with less extreme examples, those were just the first ones I came up with. But to my credit, I would have thought that basing the time zone of of a (seemingly) poorly worded poll would have seemed nearly as absurd. Maybe these will be more to your liking...
Poll about you favored user competition on TL? Eliminate everything but SC2 liquibet. Poll about favorite animal? Change team liquid theme to chipmunks.
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Osaka27178 Posts
Hyperbole and sarcasm is not a great way to get your point across...
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On February 16 2011 09:55 Manifesto7 wrote:
Hyperbole and sarcasm is not a great way to get your point across...
Hyperbole yes
sarcasm no
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On February 16 2011 09:51 hacklebeast wrote:
Poll about you favored user competition on TL? Eliminate everything but SC2 liquibet. Poll about favorite animal? Change team liquid theme to chipmunks.
The point is, when you say stuff like this, it's sooo hard to take you seriously.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope
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Braavos36402 Posts
On February 16 2011 09:51 hacklebeast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2011 08:16 Hot_Bid wrote:On February 15 2011 17:41 hacklebeast wrote:
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Honestly I feel a bit betrayed by the poll. If you wanted to know which time zone most TL users wanted why can’t you just ask that? I will now be forced to consider the ramification of my responses from now on. Poll about what your ancestry is? Now TL is not only in polish, but only covers eastern European events. Poll about favorite streamer? Now TL only supports 3 streams. Poll about favorite xbox game? Now TL is no longer a starcraft site. Yes, these examples are on the extreme side, but I’ve made my point. We don't want to know what time zone TL users want. We want to know what time zone TL users are in. That's exactly what the poll asks. As for your other examples, they're pretty ridiculous, it's very hard to take your criticism seriously when you're suggesting that we'd switch the entire language of our site or make TL not about Starcraft because of a poll. If R1ch's post is correct, then why would want to know where users are as opposed to what users want?
The poll states exactly what we want it to state. There is no hidden conspiracy theory motive. If we wanted to know what users wanted in the top right, we'd make that the poll.
And I could have gone with less extreme examples, those were just the first ones I came up with. But to my credit, I would have thought that basing the time zone of of a (seemingly) poorly worded poll would have seemed nearly as absurd. Maybe these will be more to your liking...
Poll about you favored user competition on TL? Eliminate everything but SC2 liquibet. Poll about favorite animal? Change team liquid theme to chipmunks.
We usually welcome criticism and feedback about policies users disagree with, but your style of posting is not constructive and the way you present your argument is obnoxious. You could have said what you wanted to say in a much better way with more reasonable arguments. We'd still disagree with you, but at least it'd be respectable.
I don't really have much more to say about it other than it's not appreciated.
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The "official" timezone of TL aside, is there any discussion/thoughts about having users potentially being able to change the calendar/clock to show their personal timezone?
I agree that there should be one timezone in which to centralize everyone to on TL, but it'd be nice if by setting my personal timezone in my profile to MST, I could see the calendar specifically in MST; also possibly add another clock in my timezone below the "official" TL time.
On February 16 2011 04:45 Starfox wrote:
No clue why the site uses a fixed timezone, that's quite a bit 2000, no clue why tl does not just add a profile option which converts everything, just like it does for the date/time forum markup code
Exactly this!
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On February 17 2011 10:16 Graham wrote:The "official" timezone of TL aside, is there any discussion/thoughts about having users potentially being able to change the calendar/clock to show their personal timezone? I agree that there should be one timezone in which to centralize everyone to on TL, but it'd be nice if by setting my personal timezone in my profile to MST, I could see the calendar specifically in MST; also possibly add another clock in my timezone below the "official" TL time. Show nested quote +On February 16 2011 04:45 Starfox wrote:
No clue why the site uses a fixed timezone, that's quite a bit 2000, no clue why tl does not just add a profile option which converts everything, just like it does for the date/time forum markup code Exactly this!
This would be a wonderful feature. It just seems more difficult than it should be to figure out what time everything is.
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I don't want to start a new topic, and I think it's ok to post this in here, and it's not that big of an issue but when the clock hits xx:30 it's a bit awkward when you see this 
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uLnFi.png)
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I just saw the change from a Korean time to, ETA. I love it.
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It's not really related to the main time zone issues, but since it's an often used feature we felt it made more sense to show it in this way for now.
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Well the reason I posted here is because the clock says 10h 60m instead of 11h 00m, and it's without logic at least for me. :b
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Australia8532 Posts
I would imagine that to be a glitch.. haha 10h 60m 
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Yeah that's fixed already.
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balls. this is gonna take a while to get use to
i thought it was fine cause you'd usually know primetime for the games but owell. i dont mind it
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United States10328 Posts
Whoa whoa whoa... could R1CH or whoever's wizarding it up mind leaving an option to leave it in the old format? This is kind of weird o_O
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United States4126 Posts
Yea, I actually got so used to reading KST that this new format makes it kind of weird for me now.
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Ah, just noticed. Good update, I got used to KST in a way, but that´s much more simple.
I thought you will put CET and an american time (Central, sorry don´t know ) below KST to satisfy everyone, but that´s a good way to handle that issue (if there were one).
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i really like the change to show the offset instead of the starting times for the calender, Great job!
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I love you for this.
And i love the timestamp on the upcoming events/calendar.
Thank you, thank you, thank you
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On February 25 2011 01:17 Velr wrote:
I love you for this.
And i love the timestamp on the upcoming events/calendar.
Thank you, thank you, thank you
Oh I just noticed the time stamp and I gotta say it's fucking amazing, props to whoever thought of that and made it happen, you guys are awesome!
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I also really like the new settings. Great work R1Ch thx!
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Germany2896 Posts
I'm for switching the timezone of TL to UTC. Most people know their offset to UTC, but few know their offset to KST.
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Whoa, this is a pretty cool feature. Thanks R1CH!
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Is it possible to have an option for showing upcoming events in KST rather the time until them?
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United States5162 Posts
On February 25 2011 14:08 Lafali wrote:
Is it possible to have an option for showing upcoming events in KST rather the time until them?
Yes, I'd prefer this as well.
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On February 25 2011 14:45 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 14:08 Lafali wrote:
Is it possible to have an option for showing upcoming events in KST rather the time until them? Yes, I'd prefer this as well.
Why? If you have the events in KST, when you look at them you'll just calculate in your head how much time left until the event you're looking that, and the events are already set up in a way that does that for you automatically.
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This change is fine, and frankly makes the most sense. You get the time until event, and the calender still has a comprehensive list of time zones including KST if you're into that. Win win win.
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United States5162 Posts
On February 25 2011 16:03 pred470r wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 14:45 Myles wrote:On February 25 2011 14:08 Lafali wrote:
Is it possible to have an option for showing upcoming events in KST rather the time until them? Yes, I'd prefer this as well. Why? If you have the events in KST, when you look at them you'll just calculate in your head how much time left until the event you're looking that, and the events are already set up in a way that does that for you automatically.
I like using KST and don't find this any more beneficial as either way I'm doing some head math to figure out exactly what time something is coming on. Either I have to convert KST to EST or add the hours remaining to the current time, and since neither one is hard, I'd rather the one I like more.
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I like the change. And I hate to ask for more when this is such a cool change, but is there any chance that we'll be able to filter events in the future? With as big as the SCII scene as become, 90% of the items have no relevance to people who only care about BW, such as myself. And I'd imagine that there's people who would rather not see BW events on the Upcoming Events bar. Would be cool to filter it so on BW and community events like TSL popped up, or something.
Either way, I like the change a lot. I was getting used to going by KST, but there has definitely been a time or two that I missed an event because I got the time conversion wrong.
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Really good change for the newer posters/non-posters. This makes me wonder about TL in the future.. I guess it would be projecting all over my wall with multiple BW/SC2/SC3/World of Starcraft windows and mind posting/navigation.
why do you have to be so rich to live in the future T-T
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Northern Ireland2557 Posts
I didn't really want to make a new thread, so sorry for bump, but I feel like allowing users to customise their TL timezone or have TL time and events shown in UTC would be a great improvement. As far as I can tell, TL was KST because almost all BW competition was situated in Korea and so were broadcast times, but now the international scene is exploding and growing exponentially, imo it is VERY counterintuitive to have it shown in KST.
In my eyes, ideally the time in the top right and the event time would be converted into user's timezone they selected in their profile (no idea how easy or hard this is). Alternatively I'd like to echo MasterofChaos' suggestion:
On February 25 2011 05:07 MasterOfChaos wrote:
I'm for switching the timezone of TL to UTC. Most people know their offset to UTC, but few know their offset to KST.
Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse but I think it would be pretty helpful
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On June 18 2011 08:17 Maliris wrote:I didn't really want to make a new thread, so sorry for bump, but I feel like allowing users to customise their TL timezone or have TL time and events shown in UTC would be a great improvement. As far as I can tell, TL was KST because almost all BW competition was situated in Korea and so were broadcast times, but now the international scene is exploding and growing exponentially, imo it is VERY counterintuitive to have it shown in KST. In my eyes, ideally the time in the top right and the event time would be converted into user's timezone they selected in their profile (no idea how easy or hard this is). Alternatively I'd like to echo MasterofChaos' suggestion: Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 05:07 MasterOfChaos wrote:
I'm for switching the timezone of TL to UTC. Most people know their offset to UTC, but few know their offset to KST. Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse but I think it would be pretty helpful
+1
i am always confused by the timestamps on forum posts because they don't corellate to my local time. the event calendar is fine the way it is. why can't there be customisation of the timestamp, if we're already able to put in out own time zone?
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R1CH you should definetally have it where we can change timezones for TL. It's actually been bugging me and I'm sure everyone else that the site is KST.
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