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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
and do they both have access to the replays? perhaps they should even research those once there are really specific builds so they can go into detail if they spot those builds/strategies being used again by the same player. artosis does seem to take things a bit to the extreme sometimes, regarding his "degree of certainty" or whatever lol anyway, they're still pretty much great i just want them to be monstrously great. | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
- Biased commentary on balance makes me want to mute you. Stop it. - Biased commentary on which player you favor makes me want to mute you. Stop it. - You use hyperbole in virtually every match. It's ridiculous and does NOT make what's happening any more exciting. Stop it. Tasteless: - Your commentary in general makes me want to mute you. Your role in the pair is to be the caster, meaning you should be concentrating on calling the play by plays. Let Artosis do his thing. - You need to stop missing important events in the game. You miss so many drops, tech swaps and even major battles that I want to watch the Korean stream SOLELY to see a cameraman who knows what he's doing. Production tab is your friend, use it. Both: - Stop calling premature GG's. 40% of the time you're wrong, and it's not the casters' jobs to seep excitement OUT of the game. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
Chill
Calgary25951 Posts
he can read a name, which is what the guy was talking about. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25951 Posts
On November 25 2010 05:38 Ocedic wrote: Artosis: - Biased commentary on balance makes me want to mute you. Stop it. - Biased commentary on which player you favor makes me want to mute you. Stop it. - You use hyperbole in virtually every match. It's ridiculous and does NOT make what's happening any more exciting. Stop it. Tasteless: - Your commentary in general makes me want to mute you. Your role in the pair is to be the caster, meaning you should be concentrating on calling the play by plays. Let Artosis do his thing. - You need to stop missing important events in the game. You miss so many drops, tech swaps and even major battles that I want to watch the Korean stream SOLELY to see a cameraman who knows what he's doing. Production tab is your friend, use it. Both: - Stop calling premature GG's. 40% of the time you're wrong, and it's not the casters' jobs to seep excitement OUT of the game. This is the rudest feedback I've ever read. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
Of course his analysis is usually very good, but he's just not good as a TV personality. Maybe if there was a 3rd caster present and Artosis were to be pushed down the pecking order, it'd be better. I just find him too obnoxious to be a 'carrying' caster rather than a supporting one. Tho, he wouldn't even be that bad if he didn't completely change his personality once the GOM cameras turn on. I tolerate him much more when he's doing his regular stuff, reporting behind the scenes etc, but once GSL stream starts, he puts on his 'pro caster' persona on, which is just terribly annoying and obnoxious. i.e. BE YOURSELF. | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On November 25 2010 05:41 Chill wrote: he can read a name, which is what the guy was talking about. i bet you he can't read random names that he isn't prepared for lolol | ||
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thesauceishot
Canada333 Posts
"He's probably going to have to GG here" "He might lose this game" I swear they say this or something similar at least 3x a game. In Ret vs. Cyrano 2, Artosis went on a big speech how Ret was behind because it was 2 base vs 2 base, and Tasteless agreed by saying "Yeah, he might actually lose this game". Ret went on to absolutely stomp Cyrano in that game. Which brings me to the next point. Tasteless is always agreeing with Artosis. To the point where he won't really form his own opinions, he just hints out obvious comments and Artosis takes it and goes on with it, then Tasteless agrees. I know he has the game knowledge, but the style that he's chosen, or the casting role that he employs makes it seem like he's a general caster and doesn't know much about the game. | ||
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jeremycafe
United States354 Posts
But more importantly, I have felt a lot of casting would be very biased towards favored players or friends. It is fine to root for the player, but to focus mainly on that player the majority of the game ruins the cast. So ya a bit less favoritism would make these guys awesome. Almost forgot, saying a player is "player x's easiest possible opponent" sounds like something IdrA would say. | ||
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mvpAKAenvyME
Canada179 Posts
P.S. I'm not trying to be an asshole or anything, but I think they aren't cut out for live stuff of that caliber. Also, they never click on anything in the game so we just have to assume what's going on most of the time because they are talking about some stupid shit like "how big zerglings are" or whatever | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
doing the casting and observing. Not that i want to blame him, if you ever tried for yourself to cast while watching a replay and catching everything, and doing interaction with somebody sitting next to you it can become extremely difficult. Day9 on tournaments mainly controls the cam, he does it well, but he doesn't play-by-play, mostly JP / Wheat are doing these. I think tasteless does the best of his abilities, but maybe they could try to let artosis do the cam once, maybe it would have a positive effect, because he could also point out some strategic insights with the mouse etc. | ||
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dicey
142 Posts
On November 24 2010 11:36 Fa1nT wrote: Why not tell the koreans to learn to speak English, the more popular language? =/ User was temp banned for this post. Gotta love mods swinging the ban hammer. On this topic, I found Artosis to give more insight into whatever Korean he's confronted with in GSL3, pronunciation and the 2 sec glimpses of the public's banners aside. Gom did cast less of the interviews though I have the feeling.. However he's not there to play the translator but do good coverage of the games, which he does. Tasteless I have to agree is somewhat lost every now and then, I have to think it's the person talking into his headphones. Again though, I like their natural down-to-earth approach. When a game is really exciting (Kyrix Foxer; Clide Leenock today etc) they get really focused as well, getting the best out of their commentaries. If they'd exaggerate with every game, the real fun ones would be like all others, also imagine the room with 5 wildly screaming people instead of just 3 at the Korean table :p We'd get tired of them faster, they would get even more tired after 4h of casting as they are already, so loss-loss situation right there. All in all, there's room for improvement, but they're still most of the reason I got the GSL3 ticket ultimately. HF watching GSL and just mute them if you really need to, instead of throwing dirt in a digital, nerdy and unfounded way o.o (SC2 is as old as Artosis' previous haircut, difficult to have all that much entertaining knowledge -Artosis- or wisdom -Tasteless- to share). | ||
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Morpheis
United States3 Posts
- Keep the production tab open more, this way I can catch what's going on with each build when they either aren't commentating on it or aren't paying attention to it. | ||
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SyyRaaaN
Sweden136 Posts
But what annoys me most is that they can sit and trash talk the players. I've forgot the game - but it's the one where a guy uses a mule when he should have saved up for a scan because he saw the Twilight Council (and should have assumed DT according to the casters). They spent approximately 5 minutes ranting about such a bad move that was, how bad the decision making was and so on to use that mule. Sure, he lost the game on it and they could have done an analysis with it, but ranting like that... ? And lets not mention that Tastless (he is the one controlling the camera i assume) misses out on A LOT of the action. Sometimes missing game breaking things like the drone surround vs a reaper one game. He does so many mistakes its unacceptable. Also they are very often heavily biased towards one of the players... Well, the list can be made longer. I really think they should work on their casting because right now they are so bad that its fun :D | ||
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mvpAKAenvyME
Canada179 Posts
On November 25 2010 06:23 SyyRaaaN wrote: Honestly they are useless casters both of them. The number of factual errors they make, false assumptions and the spreading of misconceptions of the game are hilarious. But what annoys me most is that they can sit and trash talk the players. I've forgot the game - but it's the one where a guy uses a mule when he should have saved up for a scan because he saw the Twilight Council (and should have assumed DT according to the casters). They spent approximately 5 minutes ranting about such a bad move that was, how bad the decision making was and so on to use that mule. Sure, he lost the game on it and they could have done an analysis with it, but ranting like that... ? Also they are very often heavily biased towards one of the players... Well, the list can be made longer. I really think they should work on their casting because right now they are so bad that its fun :D With my new found forum lingo, let me say this. QFT. I don't know as much about the SC2 community as either of them do, and I don't claim to either, but honestly, I routinely find them making totally unacceptable errors while casting game, ESPECIALLY getting player name mixed up. Is it really that hard? | ||
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Chill
Calgary25951 Posts
On November 25 2010 06:04 Rekrul wrote: i bet you he can't read random names that he isn't prepared for lolol Call! I bet he can get over 75% if you accept butchered pronunciation! | ||
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tyrless
United States485 Posts
On November 25 2010 05:41 Chill wrote: This is the rudest feedback I've ever read. Yeah...it won't be constructive (actually it's counterproductive) when it's written contemptuously. | ||
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PiousMartyr
Canada176 Posts
He doens't have to talk about anything on the tabs, just cycle through them continually. He could just make a keyboard macro or something that keeps the tabs switching up. The production tab would be nice to have open the most, but I'd really love to see the spending, units lost, apm, and army tabs more. Not sure if he already does this, but I think Artosis should be watching the map and minimap much more closely, especially since his monitor isn't being shown. Since Artosis' screen isn't being shown, he should be jumping all over the map looking for drops, important tech, small battles and such. With two pairs of eyes they shouldn't both miss drops, tech switches etc. It might be suck to watch random parts of the map and not the main fights, but it's their job to provide us with accurate and entertaining commentary and having them both miss something they should've seen is frustrating to see. | ||
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
It makes the whole matches seem more exciting and generally commentating on things I wouldn't have picked up really help. Two Problems: Artosis favoring zerg so much. It's annoying how everything a zerg player does is skill based but anytime another race pulls something off it's because of imbalance or the map or hundreds of other excuses. Whoever operates the camera. You guys miss SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much action going on sometimes. There will be battles or skirmishes or trying to figure out if a unit got away safely and we'll be looking at some guys economy talking about how he just put up another baneling nest or something. I know it's super hard to be following this live but there have been times where I was flat out wondering what was going on because we were staring at a mineral line while I could see some sort of battle going on somewhere on the map. That being said you guys do a great job. | ||
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Crazyahmed
Canada280 Posts
On November 25 2010 05:38 Ocedic wrote: Artosis: - Biased commentary on balance makes me want to mute you. Stop it. - Biased commentary on which player you favor makes me want to mute you. Stop it. - You use hyperbole in virtually every match. It's ridiculous and does NOT make what's happening any more exciting. Stop it. Tasteless: - Your commentary in general makes me want to mute you. Your role in the pair is to be the caster, meaning you should be concentrating on calling the play by plays. Let Artosis do his thing. - You need to stop missing important events in the game. You miss so many drops, tech swaps and even major battles that I want to watch the Korean stream SOLELY to see a cameraman who knows what he's doing. Production tab is your friend, use it. Both: - Stop calling premature GG's. 40% of the time you're wrong, and it's not the casters' jobs to seep excitement OUT of the game. There is some truth in your post, but its a little over the top. It's true that they have their favorite players, maps and races. Observing should be improved. And tasteless "echos" a lot of artosis' comments, plus his contributions of actual strategy and tactics is too low. They should organize themselves a bit better. Preparation before the matches, and on air division of labor and communication. However if i have to choose to casters for a long tournament i would choose them. They mix stupid comments, bad jokes (which make me laugh) with professional commentating. The balance is sometimes a little bit off, but still a good mix. | ||
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