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Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
On March 14 2010 04:38 nemY wrote: Obviously there's only two logical reasons for voting for d3_crescentia 1.) L, myself and BC are all mafia and were trying to make a late game push for our other mafia buddy, d3_crescentia. 2.) We're the three best friends that anyone could have... While L and BC's responses are reasonable, this response is not. You have responded with sarcasm and have provided no reason why you feel you should not leave a paper trail of voting for the rest of the players to examine later on. If you are a town member and unsure about who to vote for, still put a vote on your best guess. Later on your vote can be examined to see if you were working with mafia or had information that town members usually do not. | ||
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On March 16 2010 04:08 citi.zen wrote: Yeah, the ~Opz~ post was weird. "Unity" and too much shared information among unproven people is a bad thing. Everyone needs to play carefully until we get a breakthrough of some sort, either by catching a red or from the DT(s). When 4 people come a long and instantly pick shit with one person it just seems like they are trying to incite the mob of inactive townies to go after him. If Versatile and Foolishness equal mob, and go after BC by just saying he isn't doing anything, I think that's suspicious. Why not just pick some other random townie that ran for mayor to make a plan? Why put it on the guy that claimed dt? If he's truthful about dt it would make sense for the mob to want to attempt to get him distrusted. Kk? Get it now? Their are other suspicious people on here, let's look at them. | ||
L
Canada4732 Posts
On March 16 2010 08:20 Zona wrote: L you are definitely not being helpful to the town. Unless you're trying to set up an elaborate trap of the sorts that usually don't succeed, your lack of clarity is not helping the town. The town benefits from clarity - when players (both mafia and town) post their opinions and thoughts in a solid, clear manner. Their accusations and plans can later be examined to see if they were knowingly trying to protect mafia or advance the mafia's goals. Your posting is not clear and you are constantly denying that you held various opinions, as players try to interpret your posts. And you do not clearly stating what your actual positions are in return (beyond "lynch BM"). Furthermore, your vendetta against BM doesn't seem useful. You have indeed posted a few in-game reasons in favor for his lynch for it, but beyond your "case" have expressed your desire to lynch him out of animosity or reasons beyond how BM has performed in this game. Why this is unhelpful is that if BM is lynched and he turns out green, I suspect you will wash your hands of your position by falling back on "I didn't like how he played, even if he was townie" or something along those lines. I don't really give a shit what you think, tbh. Having blues claim in the open when there's no reason to believe them is a fucking dumb idea. And it isn't a vendetta. I decided to push at him pre-game because he's the type of player that does dumb shit and I wanted to see how he reacted when faced with actual scrutiny. He responded with a litany of mafia tells which is pretty much exactly what I expected. I've had three huge posts outlining exactly why BM is playing a classic "don't step on me" defense while adding very little to the town, yet people seem content to ignore it based on the fact that he had a few goons try to take a drive by against my reputation by saying that refusing to roleclaim was 'chaos inducing'. Are you serious? My positions are pretty fucking clear cut in my posts. The people who decide to pm me based on what I've written seem to get the picture, so why is it that the only people expressing doubts are unconfirmed 'town' members? I haven't tried to clear stuff up? Are you joking? I've spent no less than 15 posts doing exactly that. "Did you claim x?" "No, I'm not going to claim anything till I'm in office" "Did you claim y?" "I just told you no" "Did you claim Z?!" "You must be kidding" Perhaps you forgot that? I guess that would be hard for you because you were one of the main people doing it. And as for me washing my hands clean, didn't I offer Citi.zen the opportunity to kill me if BM flipped green? I'll restate that: Kill BM today, have him flip green, and I'll let you guys off me without a single word of protest and you can quote this post and everything. Every single factual statement you made in this post is wrong. Why? | ||
Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On March 16 2010 08:34 ~OpZ~ wrote: When 4 people come a long and instantly pick shit with one person it just seems like they are trying to incite the mob of inactive townies to go after him. If Versatile and Foolishness equal mob, and go after BC by just saying he isn't doing anything, I think that's suspicious. Why not just pick some other random townie that ran for mayor to make a plan? Why put it on the guy that claimed dt? If he's truthful about dt it would make sense for the mob to want to attempt to get him distrusted. Kk? Get it now? Their are other suspicious people on here, let's look at them. So who exactly are these "suspicious people"? | ||
Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On March 16 2010 08:37 L wrote: I don't really give a shit what you think, tbh. Having blues claim in the open when there's no reason to believe them is a fucking dumb idea. And it isn't a vendetta. I decided to push at him pre-game because he's the type of player that does dumb shit and I wanted to see how he reacted when faced with actual scrutiny. He responded with a litany of mafia tells which is pretty much exactly what I expected. I've had three huge posts outlining exactly why BM is playing a classic "don't step on me" defense while adding very little to the town, yet people seem content to ignore it based on the fact that he had a few goons try to take a drive by against my reputation by saying that refusing to roleclaim was 'chaos inducing'. Are you serious? My positions are pretty fucking clear cut in my posts. The people who decide to pm me based on what I've written seem to get the picture, so why is it that the only people expressing doubts are unconfirmed 'town' members? I haven't tried to clear stuff up? Are you joking? I've spent no less than 15 posts doing exactly that. "Did you claim x?" "No, I'm not going to claim anything till I'm in office" "Did you claim y?" "I just told you no" "Did you claim Z?!" "You must be kidding" Perhaps you forgot that? I guess that would be hard for you because you were one of the main people doing it. And as for me washing my hands clean, didn't I offer Citi.zen the opportunity to kill me if BM flipped green? I'll restate that: Kill BM today, have him flip green, and I'll let you guys off me without a single word of protest and you can quote this post and everything. Every single factual statement you made in this post is wrong. Why? My feeling is that BM is vig or mafia. If he comes out and claims green one more time, I'd be ok with getting him shot. Though it is a bit late to switch the votes around. | ||
citi.zen
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On March 16 2010 08:39 Incognito wrote: So who exactly are these "suspicious people"? I've done said how I felt about BC getting assailed. While Zona is right, his first goal should be to find a red. He has a point. Cobbler doesn't need to build a town circle. He's the fucking mayor. And protected. He is his own mouth, so he should be checking and speaking, not the other way around. I just found that Versatile and Foolishness, attempting to incite doubt this early was suspicious. BC's own list was rather suspicious, as I was the only person on the list that he went all out on trying to pin as mafia. He's wrong, but I can't prove that myself. Well I suppose him trying to pin me as mafia would make since for him to check me then right? Lol. Why didn't he check me if he already thought I was the most suspicious looking person. Now that I'm thinking about it...If I was suspicious to you (which like I said, BC went all out trying to implicate me), and you are fully protected so you can post if you find a red yourself, why wouldn't you check me. I would never have been voted as GF. -_-...Anyway...No. I just found versatile and foolishness trying to start a riot that early into the day at Cobbler suspicious. Versatile's disappearance after the first day was another big thing to me. But she doesn't post much, right? Lol. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On March 16 2010 08:59 citi.zen wrote: Who cares what BM is? There is no way it can "prove" jack about L. Also, thanks for the geneorus "offer" - as if I can enforce anything by myself - rolf. I'd kinda like to kill a mafia member, so I care if he's red. You should probably care too if you want to think about who's mafia and who isn't. | ||
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
On March 16 2010 08:18 Incognito wrote: Back. So Versatile doesn't want to talk in pms, and she doesn't want to offer anything substantial in the thread too. Whats up? If you want to talk in thread here you have it. Its probably too late to talk about lynch candidates, so what do you think of BC? I am personally suspicious of his list he posted. Where most of the targets seem to lack any substantial reasoning. What do you think? ah, good job. i wanted you to state publicly that you are suspicious of BC, instead of "trying to collect intel" behind the scenes. the more of the game that is in the open, the better for the town. hoarding information isn't useful, and it's important to keep everyone as involved in the game as possible, among the many other benefits. my top suspect is BC, and that's who i think the town should lynch. my reasoning being, he's playing horribly as not only a vet, but a vet who is also our mayor. no vet runs for mayor and is this inactive and this unhelpful if they're unless they've got some serious IRL things going on, and BC has said nothing of the sort yet. in my book, being a retarded player is enough to get you lynched in most cases. being a retarded mayor is enough to get you lynched each and every time. i also think that are seriously weak cases for every one of the people up for lynching this round. i wouldn't vote to lynch any of them, as i'm sure they're going to pop up green. i would rather not have a lynch than kill a townie. | ||
Versatile
United States396 Posts
On March 16 2010 08:34 ~OpZ~ wrote: When 4 people come a long and instantly pick shit with one person it just seems like they are trying to incite the mob of inactive townies to go after him. If Versatile and Foolishness equal mob, and go after BC by just saying he isn't doing anything, I think that's suspicious. Why not just pick some other random townie that ran for mayor to make a plan? Why put it on the guy that claimed dt? If he's truthful about dt it would make sense for the mob to want to attempt to get him distrusted. Kk? Get it now? Their are other suspicious people on here, let's look at them. *looks up and sees "united states" besides opz* learn the difference between they're, their, and there before you type my name again, please and thanks. you're a disgrace to the american school system. | ||
XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
On March 12 2010 07:37 Incognito wrote: Any town member wants to be rolechecked, so they can be trusted. Any person claiming to be town will claim to want to be rolechecked to go along with this. It's not a major risk for a mafia member to ask to be rolechecked because the DTs still decide on their own from among many players who to check. And he put himself in the spot already by running for elections, so he needs to follow through.Reasons why I think L is town: He wants to be rolechecked. He wants to kill green officeholders. Which means he's either blue or GF. If he's GF, it will be hard to fake a blue role. I don't think a mafia would forcefully put themselves on the spot so willingly. On March 12 2010 07:37 Incognito wrote: I like this part. However like you said we don't have proof that he actually claimed to three people. I want BC to reveal which three people he claimed to, and those people to confirm that he claimed AFTER BC has named his list. Revealing this information (as far as I can see) has no particular benefits to the mafia as BC is not revealing any blue roles, nor is he revealing if he has any information about these three people. He, and the three, are just simply confirming that the talked to each other, proving that his statement was true.Reasons why I think BC is town: He says that he claimed to three people. Claiming DT to three people is a pretty bad idea if you're mafia. You'd preferably keep it to one so you can kill off that member if you decide you are being found out. Now we don't have proof about the other two people he told, but I don't know if he'd make that bad of a lie. | ||
Zona
40426 Posts
On March 16 2010 09:15 Versatile wrote: While I agree with you in part, you forgot to mention that he claimed DT: lynching a claimed DT this early in the game is a really bad idea, and I do not like that you suggested it.my top suspect is BC, and that's who i think the town should lynch. my reasoning being, he's playing horribly as not only a vet, but a vet who is also our mayor. no vet runs for mayor and is this inactive and this unhelpful if they're unless they've got some serious IRL things going on, and BC has said nothing of the sort yet. in my book, being a retarded player is enough to get you lynched in most cases. being a retarded mayor is enough to get you lynched each and every time. On March 16 2010 09:15 Versatile wrote: I do agree the cases right now are pretty weak, but this is day 2. But it's almost always better to have a lynch even if we lynch wrong, because lynching gains information with which the town can use to evaluate how people have accused and voted in the past. I also don't like when people say "I'm afraid we'll lynch a townie" because it's something mafia might say, as they know before the lynch whether or not it's a good one for the town. Of course newbie town members will often be unhappy/worry about lynching town members, but apparently you're a respected player here so perhaps more should be expected of you?i also think that are seriously weak cases for every one of the people up for lynching this round. i wouldn't vote to lynch any of them, as i'm sure they're going to pop up green. i would rather not have a lynch than kill a townie. | ||
Zona
40426 Posts
On March 13 2010 11:58 L wrote: Bill Murray, Jee Jee, Madnessman. I honestly hope BC decided to kill one of you. Hi, do you still feel the same way about madnessman? | ||
Zona
40426 Posts
On March 14 2010 07:30 L wrote: First, volunteering to be killed is a gambit that can be played by both town and mafia members. And I must have missed where you used your blue abilities to prove your alignment.I've been the only person to offer a concrete proof of my alignment via either blue abilities or volunteering to be killed. | ||
Versatile
United States396 Posts
On March 16 2010 09:01 ~OpZ~ wrote: I've done said how I felt about BC getting assailed. While Zona is right, his first goal should be to find a red. He has a point. Cobbler doesn't need to build a town circle. He's the fucking mayor. And protected. He is his own mouth, so he should be checking and speaking, not the other way around. I just found that Versatile and Foolishness, attempting to incite doubt this early was suspicious. BC's own list was rather suspicious, as I was the only person on the list that he went all out on trying to pin as mafia. He's wrong, but I can't prove that myself. Well I suppose him trying to pin me as mafia would make since for him to check me then right? Lol. Why didn't he check me if he already thought I was the most suspicious looking person. Now that I'm thinking about it...If I was suspicious to you (which like I said, BC went all out trying to implicate me), and you are fully protected so you can post if you find a red yourself, why wouldn't you check me. I would never have been voted as GF. -_-...Anyway...No. I just found versatile and foolishness trying to start a riot that early into the day at Cobbler suspicious. Versatile's disappearance after the first day was another big thing to me. But she doesn't post much, right? Lol. here's the thing, dumbass. i'm a pretty smart person. i don't think you know that, so i figured i'd tell you. anywho, even if i were half as smart as i really am, let's say, at the same intelligence level as you for example, i still would not doing ANYTHING in concert with a member of my mafioso family. dur. and what is this disappearance thing you keep bringing up? i was gone for a little bit but i've been pretty damn active ever since, more active than you in fact. i'm making a genuine attempt to be here for the town. in any case, stop trying to misrepresent my posting style. also, i've been attacked by 4-5 people already this game-- now, how likely is it 4-5 separate townies all decided to focus some of their energy on me? maybe 2-3, sure. but more than that is very unlikely. lastly, i'm glad to see your finally questioning your allegiance to BC. i've already outlines why i think BC is shady, feel free to ask me some more about it if you like. | ||
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