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On March 14 2010 13:51 madnessman wrote:
PS. Isn't it equally likely that people trying to act nondescriptly and voting early on could be mafia too? As we saw in the last game, NONE of the swing voters for redtooth were mafia.
Yes, there's enough people who haven't posted any concrete thoughts or accusations that there's likely at least a few mafia among them. Without clues there's no easy way of them being found out. The real benefit to these players are town members who are also inactive, allowing such mafia to hide among them. If you are town and inactive, you are helping inactive mafia hide among you. Post your opinions, no matter how unsure of them you are, so at the very least the mafia among you cannot run unchecked.
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On March 14 2010 16:40 L wrote:
If mafia has a role they want dead right now, its the medic and bus driver. Once one of those are dead, they can start chopping away at the BG block and kill our DT. After the DT/medic die, the mafia 'clock' stops ticking, because the amount of confirmed townies stops growing and the chance that goons get outed starts going up. Given the low kp/round, the game is likely to go on for a while, which means that the effects of the medic, driver and DT are incredibly amplified.
Our bus driver isn't strong, since he or she only has two uses, but I agree our medic is a big target. However, since you are always saying that we don't interpret your posts correctly, let me ask you this: by saying "they can start chopping away at the BG block and kill our DT" you mean that you believe BC is in fact a DT?
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On March 16 2010 09:28 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 09:15 Versatile wrote:
my top suspect is BC, and that's who i think the town should lynch.
my reasoning being, he's playing horribly as not only a vet, but a vet who is also our mayor. no vet runs for mayor and is this inactive and this unhelpful if they're unless they've got some serious IRL things going on, and BC has said nothing of the sort yet.
in my book, being a retarded player is enough to get you lynched in most cases. being a retarded mayor is enough to get you lynched each and every time.
While I agree with you in part, you forgot to mention that he claimed DT: lynching a claimed DT this early in the game is a really bad idea, and I do not like that you suggested it. Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 09:15 Versatile wrote:
i also think that are seriously weak cases for every one of the people up for lynching this round. i wouldn't vote to lynch any of them, as i'm sure they're going to pop up green. i would rather not have a lynch than kill a townie. I do agree the cases right now are pretty weak, but this is day 2. But it's almost always better to have a lynch even if we lynch wrong, because lynching gains information with which the town can use to evaluate how people have accused and voted in the past. I also don't like when people say "I'm afraid we'll lynch a townie" because it's something mafia might say, as they know before the lynch whether or not it's a good one for the town. Of course newbie town members will often be unhappy/worry about lynching town members, but apparently you're a respected player here so perhaps more should be expected of you?
part 1: how do you feel about lynch a supposed DT mayor who has not been active? seriously, think about it. if you were DT and mayor, what would you be doing? he is not being active. he is not leading. he isn't doing anything DT mayor would do, at least not from what i've seen in thread. you're talking about expecting more from me, how about expecting more from the head of the town?
part 2: true we learn information, and that's useful, but imo, it's pretty clear we're not lynching a mafia member. there hasn't been any push to save anyone or change up votes. there hasn't been anything to even hint that the mafia is worried about losing a member, unless incog follows through on the pardon, which he should NOT. the town's decision should go through, no matter how much anyone may disagree with it. in any case, there will be a lynch and we'll get this information you want.
and i don't know about being a respected player, i mostly just make fun of people and call them politically incorrect names. but thanks ^_^
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zona, you should hurry up and vote so you're not modkilled.
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Yeah, just did. I'm not voting for Malongo as I hope he doesn't show up and dies as well, then we'll get information regarding two people. I wish I had come online a bit earlier so I could have made my cases earlier rather than just voting between the people who already have a lot of votes.
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Well, if Malongo is gonna get modkilled anyway, it does seems a good idea to lynch another target
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malongo has been pretty inactive, but i just assumed he was still dealing with things because of the earthquake. i think he was planning on being active, why else would he run for mayor?
oh well, post should be up soon-ish.
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Hi, do you still feel the same way about madnessman?
First, volunteering to be killed is a gambit that can be played by both town and mafia members. And I must have missed where you used your blue abilities to prove your alignment.
Mang, good quoting skills.
1) He PM'd me afterwards, like I said in the thread and made an emotional "OH FUCK I SCREWED UP SORRY  (((((((((((((((((((((((" post. Generally, I've found these scummy in the past, but Ver's a better player than I am when it comes to looking at individuals and thinks this is a typical town reaction to a bad situation.
Given that a policy lynch on being a douchebag vote swinger could go to BM or MM, I'd rather it goes to BM, hence my vote. Which is going to stay there.
2) You don't volunteer to be killed if you're also asking for a rolecheck unless you've got balls the size of texas and feel like sacrificing the GF for potentially no reward. If I'm GF I'd be pulling a plan so fucking crazy that its never been done before. Additionally, there are pretty much zero people who have bothered to step up to defend me day 2, and no one's voting with me.
Taken together, you can see that all things put together I'm pretty much the most legit shit in this game. By far.
Versatile, you're spamming posts after being called out. Next time produce from the start.
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On March 16 2010 09:04 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 08:59 citi.zen wrote:
Who cares what BM is? There is no way it can "prove" jack about L. Also, thanks for the geneorus "offer" - as if I can enforce anything by myself - rolf. I'd kinda like to kill a mafia member, so I care if he's red. You should probably care too if you want to think about who's mafia and who isn't.
Nice attempt to distract, but it fails, again.
Let me explain it slower: of course we care what BM is (duh - what a non-starter); however, Bill's color proves nothing about you, so the "offer" to be killed if Bill is not red is yet more nonsense from you.
If Bill is Red, any of the following could be true:
1. You're red too, trying to gain credibility. I've seen you play as mafia and turning in other mafia to gain credibility. It failed, by the way. Bonus quote (hi!):
On March 10 2010 13:44 L wrote:
Dear Bill,
If we were both mafia, I'd still want you dead because you're terrible and would probably ruin our plans, be afk during important votes, do stupid shit in PMs, forget to post in thread because you're on IRC pretending you have a big penis, etc.
Yours cordially,
- L
P.S. If you're not mafia, I'm happy regardless. If I'm town, I'm happy we have one less retard shitting up the thread. If I'm mafia; Lol ur dead choo choo pain train.
2. You are not red. Then you either took a lucky guess (in which case you'd say "oops!"), or you are speaking for a DT who role-checked him. In this case I question the DT's choice of 1st night check (lord help us), and wonder why you did not in fact state this in the thread, or use someone else to speak it for you. Because really, you have not made anything resembling a strong case against Bill thus far.
You build much of "reputation" on "holding people accountable", yet in this game all you have done is try to cover up nonsense with more nonsense. I don't care that you are doing it on purpose, it is not helping the town.
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On March 15 2010 12:48 Incognito wrote:
I'm disappointed and frustrated that every time I make a post in thread, I am ignored. Completely. Its not the mafia's fault, its the townies faults. You know, I agree with this. If someone makes a post with a strong accusation or a good plan, I think others should support it. Otherwise it risks being ignored as no one discussed it.
On March 15 2010 12:48 Incognito wrote:
A bunch of you have been responding to my pms thinking that I am just trying to fish for mafia. While that is a component of pms, it is not the only component. So stop being defensive about pms and thinking that I am accusing you. Answer the questions, and hopefully we can have a good discussion in private. I also agree with this. You can talk with others in private without being a entirely sure they're town. It's useful to point out suspicious things about other players with them and see how they respond, and see if they agree or can point out things you haven't noticed. However, for the record, Incognito hasn't PM'd me yet, either, other than a response to a question I had for him much earlier in the game.
On March 15 2010 12:48 Incognito wrote:
As has been proven in the past, inactivity allows the mafia to hide. But how do the mafia know if its safe to hide? By observing the fact that other townies are also being inactive. A hundred times this! Everyone - you signed up to play the game, and win. If you are a town member, you help us win by posting. Again, even if you aren't sure, still post what's on your mind. Make some accusations and see how people respond. If you worry about making wrong accusations and being seen as mafia? Well your inactivity is WORSE, and allows other mafia to hide. The object of the game isn't necessarily to survive yourself, but to help your side win. So even if you become a target for the mafia by participating, if you help find them, even just by being active and not letting them hide among you, you're increasing your chances to win.
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plus i'm green, so lay off dude. sorry about last game, get over it.
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On March 16 2010 09:52 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 09:04 L wrote:On March 16 2010 08:59 citi.zen wrote:
Who cares what BM is? There is no way it can "prove" jack about L. Also, thanks for the geneorus "offer" - as if I can enforce anything by myself - rolf. I'd kinda like to kill a mafia member, so I care if he's red. You should probably care too if you want to think about who's mafia and who isn't. Nice attempt to distract, but it fails, again. Let me explain it slower: of course we care what BM is (duh - what a non-starter); however, Bill's color proves nothing about you, so the "offer" to be killed if Bill is not red is yet more nonsense from you. If Bill is Red, any of the following could be true: 1. You're red too, trying to gain credibility. I've seen you play as mafia and turning in other mafia to gain credibility. It failed, by the way. Bonus quote (hi!): Show nested quote +On March 10 2010 13:44 L wrote:
Dear Bill,
If we were both mafia, I'd still want you dead because you're terrible and would probably ruin our plans, be afk during important votes, do stupid shit in PMs, forget to post in thread because you're on IRC pretending you have a big penis, etc.
Yours cordially,
- L
P.S. If you're not mafia, I'm happy regardless. If I'm town, I'm happy we have one less retard shitting up the thread. If I'm mafia; Lol ur dead choo choo pain train. 2. You are not red. Then you either took a lucky guess (in which case you'd say "oops!"), or you are speaking for a DT who role-checked him. In this case I question the DT's choice of 1st night check (lord help us), and wonder why you did not in fact state this in the thread, or use someone else to speak it for you. Because really, you have not made anything resembling a strong case against Bill thus far. You build much of "reputation" on "holding people accountable", yet in this game all you have done is try to cover up nonsense with more nonsense. I don't care that you are doing it on purpose, it is not helping the town.
So you're saying that I'm covering up nonsense by trying to kill someone who clearly fucked our day 1 votes up?
Ok.
That's the end of me listening to you, goon.
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fucked our day 1 votes up? excuse me if i don't want to help the person who wants to kill me.
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Spazz, can you explain your switch from abenson to malongo?
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On March 16 2010 09:55 Bill Murray wrote:
fucked our day 1 votes up? excuse me if i don't want to help the person who wants to kill me.
Because I'd be killing you as pardoner, right? Ok. You threw the deciding vote.
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Also: Lol at what's going on in PMs. Someone's going to die for this really soon.
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I questioned him pming me to do that... I figured it might be a ploy to let you be mayor and get me killed, but once I figured out it wasn't, I went with it.
At the time I was a little suspicious of you, but I'm a lot less so now whether or not it's justified.
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lmao. the relationship between L and BM is that of the drunkard and abused significant other. BM just won't stop going back for more.
ps: ace is not black, has never been to NYC, and can't even spell caribbean.
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On March 16 2010 09:55 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 09:52 citi.zen wrote:On March 16 2010 09:04 L wrote:On March 16 2010 08:59 citi.zen wrote:
Who cares what BM is? There is no way it can "prove" jack about L. Also, thanks for the geneorus "offer" - as if I can enforce anything by myself - rolf. I'd kinda like to kill a mafia member, so I care if he's red. You should probably care too if you want to think about who's mafia and who isn't. Nice attempt to distract, but it fails, again. Let me explain it slower: of course we care what BM is (duh - what a non-starter); however, Bill's color proves nothing about you, so the "offer" to be killed if Bill is not red is yet more nonsense from you. If Bill is Red, any of the following could be true: 1. You're red too, trying to gain credibility. I've seen you play as mafia and turning in other mafia to gain credibility. It failed, by the way. Bonus quote (hi!): On March 10 2010 13:44 L wrote:
Dear Bill,
If we were both mafia, I'd still want you dead because you're terrible and would probably ruin our plans, be afk during important votes, do stupid shit in PMs, forget to post in thread because you're on IRC pretending you have a big penis, etc.
Yours cordially,
- L
P.S. If you're not mafia, I'm happy regardless. If I'm town, I'm happy we have one less retard shitting up the thread. If I'm mafia; Lol ur dead choo choo pain train. 2. You are not red. Then you either took a lucky guess (in which case you'd say "oops!"), or you are speaking for a DT who role-checked him. In this case I question the DT's choice of 1st night check (lord help us), and wonder why you did not in fact state this in the thread, or use someone else to speak it for you. Because really, you have not made anything resembling a strong case against Bill thus far. You build much of "reputation" on "holding people accountable", yet in this game all you have done is try to cover up nonsense with more nonsense. I don't care that you are doing it on purpose, it is not helping the town. So you're saying that I'm covering up nonsense by trying to kill someone who clearly fucked our day 1 votes up? Ok. That's the end of me listening to you, goon.
Surprise, you're at it again - I call nonsense!
Pay attention: my post is not about who you are trying to kill, or whether Bill fucked up. It is about the fact that Bill's color proves nothing about yours. That is the one part you consistently ignore and just talk nonsense about other shit.
Like I said, play as you wish, but this ain't helping.
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