[M][N] I'm a cop you idiot mafia --- the reboot - Page 27
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Tumblewood
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Tumblewood
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On December 11 2016 16:58 ExO_ wrote: But I know that you can't be scum, because if CR was actually town the game would've been over already after I voted for him. I know you have to be telling the truth because of that fact alone. But Jesus Christ dude sometimes you say things that look scummy as hell. also your "ExO is not considering other options" thing doesn't even work because if you are me or ExO you can determine that ray's partner can only be you or NU, and if you have half a brain you can determine that NU is town | ||
cakepie
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On December 12 2016 03:16 Tumblewood wrote: AND BY THE WAY NOT CONSIDERING OTHER OPTIONS IS NIT STRICTLY SCUM. I can agree with that! It could be scum, or a tunneled town. On the other hand, being willing to be wrong about a previously firm position is a trait that is hard for mafia to fake. (being wishy washy doesn't count) | ||
cakepie
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On December 12 2016 03:20 Tumblewood wrote: also your "ExO is not considering other options" thing doesn't even work because if you are me or ExO you can determine that ray's partner can only be you or NU, and if you have half a brain you can determine that NU is town your logic only works for D2 ExO with the copclaim info. I'm referring to N1 ExO. nice try though | ||
cakepie
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reading between the lines. Using town/scum/cop explanations/motivations to figure out what Hopeless1der was doing. When this was actually happening, I only saw up to "cop" and didn't get the next level of "town pretending to be cop". But in hindsight I can find them. On December 07 2016 00:21 Hopeless1der wrote: Why are there suggestions for the cop to claim during D1? Why not end of N1 when theres a chance at 2 checks? + Show Spoiler + if cop is under threat of lynch D1 he MUST claim when @ 3 votes if one of the voters is redchecked N0 @ 2 votes otherwise Doc (if still alive) will protect. If counterclaims, doc's responsibility to evaluate. Whereas other players derp around about what cop should do, H1 already has the correct answer for optimal cop play in his entrance post. Scum who are bluehunting will definitely see this. Possible things H1 is saying/doing let me earn towncred by showing you the correct answer town/cop/doc "this is the correct play, you fools" >>>>> good town pretending to be cop <<<<< I am going to plant this bluetell for the scum team to find On December 08 2016 03:27 Hopeless1der wrote: cakepie is it okay if I just sheep you today? good, attentive town I townread you. Your case is good. Based on my reading of the thread, all the bases have been covered. I have nothing to add or subtract. Let me sheep you. cop I have a towncheck on you or I have a scumcheck on your target (TW) good, attentive cop. combine good, attentive town + cop >>>>> good, attentive town pretending to be cop <<<<< combine (good, attentive town) + I am pretending (cop) I am able to read between the lines. Please tell me more. An incredulous good townie who can't use town/scum motivation to read between the lines would react a lot more strongly, because they would find it very weird to be asked for permission. On December 08 2016 03:43 Hopeless1der wrote: k well I either want to lynch TW or no-lynch today. good, attentive town I have no other lynch candidates. cop I have a towncheck on you eliminates a possibilityOn December 08 2016 03:46 cakepie wrote: Like wtf H1, at least try. Maybe we've exhausted the available material on TW, but tell me something about NU or ExO or CRay. I am pretending to be incredulous. If you're telling me my case is solid, I got it. Can you help me out with these? On December 08 2016 04:04 Hopeless1der wrote: ExO has maintained that the cop should claim. I dont particularly agree, I'd rather tempt fate on a no-lynch and have the cop end-of-night phase post their N0 check, with the possibility of getting a N1 check as well. Besides that, ExO is doing a poor job of actually reading the thread, and I'm not sure where that falls on the scummy/stupid scale so I dont want to pursue a lynch there. You are wrong to tunneltown ExO, you idiot. Here's why he is being anti-town. That makes him scum or bad VT. You are bad VT for not knowing the correct strategy. Don't lose us the game! Also, see how he isn't actually responding to people that are talking to him? He's only obsessed with attacking Ray's case. --- I like CR's posts, his suspicions, questions, justifications for everything are well reasoned and show appropriate suspicion. He's town. He's scumhunting poorly and taking flak for it -- I know you know because I see you have posted concerns about it -- but I think there's some merit to what he's saying. >>>>> good, attentive town pretending to be cop <<<<< TW is scum. ExO is scum or badVT. You're bad VT. NU is scum or badVT for N0 plan stuff. I'm VT pretending to be cop -- if you don't see this message now, you will when I flip town. By PoE, CR is the cop. I think he is pushing his read so hard because he redchecked NU. --- I do not like NU's overly defensive tone following the daypost when CR accused TW/NU of hiding behind poorly reasoned math. + Show Spoiler [#86] + On December 07 2016 10:01 NeverUnlucky wrote: I find it opportunistic that you call me and tw out on our lack of assumptions now that the medic was shanked rather than when we were actually discussing it ie I doubt that you would be reproaching us this if it was a VT that flipped today. Also, I dislike that you are entering the day with two targets you'd like to see lynched, especially since pretty much nothing happened N0, so I don't understand how you're ready to see myself or tw lynched already. Also, I don't think your justification to scum-read either of us is worthy of calling us lynch targets. Especially the 2nd paragraph in the above spoiler, it reads to me as less about NU being one of the targets and more about CR having more than one target, when they're being accused with same reasoning. Why would CR be inclined to single someone out in this scenario? To me, there's no reason for it and NU's post comes off as contrived to me. >>>>> good, attentive town pretending to be cop <<<<< you are worried that CR is tarring both TW and NU with the same brush, since you mindmeld NU on TW buddying and townlean NU. But I know CR is cop. If he claims N0 redcheck on TW, you must believe him. --- As you said, most of the TW material has been covered so I'll skip over it. Also, I think you're town. My vote preferences are: 1-No-Lynch 2-TW 3-NU 4-ExO 5-CR 6-cake 7-me >>>>> good, attentive town pretending to be cop <<<<< look here, cakepie. if you can see this message, you will wonder why I don't townlean NU like you do. that's because I strongly believe CR N0 redchecked TW. On December 08 2016 04:26 cakepie wrote: You've given me some insight into something that was of interest to me. Thanks. [...] I got (some) of your secret message. Follow up questions... On December 08 2016 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote: Re: CR - I wouldn't dismiss the notion out of hand, but its not high on my gutcheck rating. Being able to come out on blue-planning is a really safe way for mafia to seem invested without actually doing anything. That is only compounded by the fact that our doc got shot first, rendering a huge portion of N0 reasoning useless for the purposes of planning. CR is at least trying to use those posts to get reads. >>>>> good, attentive town pretending to be cop <<<<< I agree it's unlikely. but it's not impossible. Do you see that CR is trying to squeeze information out of koshi's death where no one else is doing so? On December 08 2016 04:57 cakepie wrote: [*]H1 thanks for our brief exchange. Please work with the others while I'm asleep. (to be continued) | ||
cakepie
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NU, remember this? On December 09 2016 03:07 cakepie wrote: @NU re H1 The 'cute' (?) thing about H1 is that bit asking permission to sheep. When I deny permission, 124/126 pretty precisely hit upon topics I want people's opinions on, and things I might have missed. There's some level of "I agree with you on these things" coupled with "here's things you want or that might help you". That seems attentive if nothing else. I was trying to tell you something about my interaction with H1. On December 10 2016 02:04 cakepie wrote: I think ExO is derpscum with TW. I've been suspecting it since here.I thank H1, this was for triggering me to look at ExO. I only had time to take a quick look at his filter before going to bed, but I saw enough to want to call others' attention to it. Reminding NU to filter ExO is a hint for the attentive -- I had not asked for it before, this is a fake reminder. I've been keeping an eye on TW+ExO interactions ever since. There's also this. | ||
NeverUnlucky
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Tumblewood
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On December 11 2016 19:48 ExO_ wrote: This is quite a last ditch scum effort from CP/CR. It's full of some pretty coordinated bullshit I think I've presented myself well, and I think this is very obviously a last ditch effort to win the game. NU the game is in your hands. These posts from CP/CR are big, but they are full of garbage. Lines like this from CR: "ExO is seriously considering that you might be mafia, because of a case I presented." should tell you everything you need to know. ofc I was considering you were mafia. I have to consider every possibility, in particular that my reads might be wrong. No where in CR's posts does he explain why if he was the cop does he only have 2 pages in his filter. Why he strictly tunneled you and TW the entire game. Why he didn't breadcrumb at all. Why both he and cakepie tried to start a a train on Day 1, when it's clearly an incredible risk to do so instead of just waiting a day. Compare TWs effort all game long, despite constantly being pressured. His posts all game long. He has at least been trying all game long. CR only shows up now. Is that what a cop would do? Post barely anything and tunnel 2 players all game long? Don't fall for this last ditch effort by CP/CR NU. <3 | ||
cakepie
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On December 09 2016 04:11 Hopeless1der wrote: stop asking me real questions..Fine my previous list was wrong. TW-ExO-CR-NU-cake-me >>>>> town pretending to be cop <<<<< I see that you don't understand that I'm only faking cop. Oh well. + Show Spoiler + On December 09 2016 04:01 Hopeless1der wrote: TW, you think cakepie is scum? What the fucking fuck? Please respond to this with either "I think cakepie is scum" or "I do not think cakepie is scum". Thank you for your cooperation, Tumblewood. On December 09 2016 04:35 Hopeless1der wrote: Pick one and proceed. On December 09 2016 05:25 Hopeless1der wrote: Also to spell it out for you, a read cannot be simultaneously "not an argument" and "subjective". Those are mutually exclusive traits of an argument. On December 09 2016 04:47 Hopeless1der wrote: a little over 2 hours left today..TW if I dont get an answer in the next hour I'm voting you. H1 is pretending to be a cop with a redcheck on TW by pushing hard for bad reasons. Consistent with his low activity ("more guarded than VT" bluetell) and other planted coptell. On December 09 2016 06:44 Hopeless1der wrote: TW was not slammed when 2 people voted him, Either one of the voters (CR and cake) were scum OR TW is scum. Technically its possible that everyone involved is wrong, but fuck that noise, I'm calling TW scum, Good fucking game. Cop, dont claim until you absolutely have to at end of Nightphase. If TW claims cop, lynch that piece of garbage. I will not accept him claiming cop this game. ##Unvote##Vote: Tumblewood I fully understand that this day is going to be a no lynch. I'm like 51/49 on lynhching TW today. cop I'm the cop. I have a redcheck on TW. If tomorrow turns out to be him cc me, I will use this as evidence/"crumb" for my N0 TW redcheck. but he's pretending! On December 09 2016 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote: k so at this point i have a sharp assumption that TW is scum. Any and every question from this point forward will be colored by the assumption that TW is scum. Thank you for your cooperation. @Cop, my preference would be that you make your claim just before the end of night phase. Besides that, feel free to tell me why anyone is scum cop I am the cop. TW is scum. Thanks! I will make my claim at EoN if you want to suggest who to check, let me know! but he's pretending! On December 11 2016 16:20 Chairman Ray wrote: cakepie you are a fucking HERO. If we end up winning this, it'll all be because of you. Eh, give H1 some credit. H1 saved you from scum. I saved you from NU. It was a collective effort. *high5 H1* H1 succeeded in fooling the scumteam into killing him. SHEEP H1. cake is town. Ray is cop. TW is scum. Lynch TW. | ||
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I hope I don't need to explain why | ||
ExO_
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NU don't fall for it. Read CP's posts. They aren't logical or analytical. Look at how the game played out. CR is a fake claiming cop. CP has done all of the fighting for CR here. Look at what CP and CR tried to do on day 1 witht the votes. Look at CR's tunneling and non effort vs TWs effort. Make the right choice | ||
Chairman Ray
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ExO_
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On December 12 2016 04:40 Chairman Ray wrote: NU, i know theres a lot to go through and not a lot of time, but give it ur best shot. The fact that cakepie made all these great cases shows that he's looking very careful into the game, and is also trying to convince other town to get on board. Exo and TW are not reading into anything and just plainly being around. They're not posting analytical cases and trying to convince others, well except that TW posted a pretty good case on why his greencheck was mafia. These facts should tell you whos the real town and whos the real mafia. If you have any questions for me, let me know. They aren't great cases. He's quoting a lot of shit and saying "this makes you mafia, and this makes me town. It's not actual analysis, its pure volume of posts. You know what's a great case though? You and CP tried to lynch a player, on a day when it goes against town's interest to lynch a player. You have bread crumbed nothing. You did nothing but push 2 people all game long. You did nothing to solve the game, even though you claim you are the cop. You 2 are putting forth one hell of a last ditch scum effort. But I'm VT and I've seen through this. And I'm confident that NU will as well. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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cakepie, why are you the one who's bringing sense to Ray's cop claim and not him? I've asked him a couple o' times to explain his claim and the best answer I got was from you re: 512 Also, I get your points for scum-reading TW, but you don't address why his cop claim is fake which I think is the cornerstone of today's lynch. Unlike Ray, TW has a lot of points to show for to prove that he is cop. The answers to the questions he's given me make sense. Why is it null for me to choose the scum explanation but is mafia AI for TW and ExO? | ||
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