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ETisME
12192 Posts
what I can't stand is foreign player biased though | ||
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helius788
New Zealand74 Posts
On May 04 2015 19:28 StackerTwo wrote: I prefer a bunch of gamers talking about games. I prefer bias or transparency because at the very least there is discussion. or would you prefer we go back to the Day9/Artosis of the broodlord infestor era? Everyone knew there was a problem. zergs, audience, casuals; but no commentator discussed the elephant in the room. It was just taboo. yeah, that's another good point. "SIIIICK FUNGALS!!!" was a bit weird during later stages of WoL. moonglade is actually adressing the recent zerg nerf (I'm not calling it a SH nerf on purpose) and I like it as long it's not a whine etc. In this regard I think it's best to ask questions that don't need to be answered. ppl will know :-) | ||
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Phaenoman
568 Posts
What I find more annoying is that some casters have no clue what they are talking about. So casters I like to listen to are very few. I enjoy listening to pro-players, it's much more insightful. But that's just me. | ||
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
I didnt see it cuz i was looking for an embedded video. =S Also, lol. There's a lot of people who didn't like it. I wonder who they were. HMMMM | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2622 Posts
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Liquid`Zephyr
United States996 Posts
On May 04 2015 17:17 Destructicon wrote: I think its ok for casters to mention that certain maps or certain map features favor certain races or styles, it isn't bias as much as it is presenting information. I think its ok to mention that certain races are struggling at one time or another, either in general of in a specific MU, because of the meta-game. I think its even fine to say if a player is favored against another player if they cite good reasons like practice environment (Korea vs EU, team house vs home practice) etc. What I do hate is overhyping certain players because the casters just love them or because they are foreigners. Yeah we get it, you like them, you can mention it a couple of times but for the love of god don't make the entire cast about them. Overall though the quality of casters has generally gone up. pretty much my thoughts verbatim. sometimes single player hype goes over the top but i tend to think they do a pretty good job with this stuff (i mainly watch gsl and proleague) | ||
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NasusAndDraven
359 Posts
On May 04 2015 20:51 Phaenoman wrote: What I find more annoying is that some casters have no clue what they are talking about. So casters I like to listen to are very few. I enjoy listening to pro-players, it's much more insightful. But that's just me. Its not just you. Always annoying when someone who job is a full time caster gets his only ingame knowledge from playing the game for 30minutes per week. Or maybe sometimes taking a 3 months break from playing all together while still casting. I would expect them to take some time to actually research the game and the players. Then we get these gems when they dont know the attributes (armored, light etc.) of units or how much do some units cost. Like I understand that sometimes you make mistakes, but somehow some casters seem like they know absolutely nothing about the game except they can tell when an unit dies and they can say that out loud. Pro players always make the best casters, the higher level the better. As in not some "personalities" like incontrol or destiny. Absolutely nothing wrong with bias. Especially foreigner bias what the poster above mentioned. If anything the caster openly supporting the same player as I do only makes the cast better. And usually it tends to be the foreigner over the korean. | ||
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looknohands119
United States815 Posts
On May 04 2015 21:15 Liquid`Zephyr wrote: pretty much my thoughts verbatim. sometimes single player hype goes over the top but i tend to think they do a pretty good job with this stuff (i mainly watch gsl and proleague) I'm fine with some fanboism regarding certain players (for example, "flash is god") and as with Destructicon and Zephyr, I'm fine with explaining how maps and their features favor certain races or play styles or how certain mistakes made by players will strategically affect the game. In fact, I think it would be bad and uninteresting if every map was created with the goal of creating a perfect 1/3 split of win rates between the three races. That said, that isn't what the OP seems to be talking about when he/she says "bias". The way he/she seems to be explaining what he/she calls "bias" is balance whining resulting from a biased view of overall game balance and/or player bashing. I agree with the OP that balance whining kills the mood (as does player bashing) and should never be part of a cast, especially casts of leagues as big as WCS/SPL/GSL/3SL/IEM/DH/etc... While I don't think that uncalled for over-hyping is a good thing, it is the caster's job to analyze the game in service of selling the tournament to the viewers. Casters are hired by tournaments because effective casting and presentation increase the number of customers (viewers) consuming their product (the tournament). Dishonesty is wrong but poor salesman-ship is unprofessional, to say the least. If I were a tournament organizer and I hired a caster who understood Starcraft better than anyone else and explained it more effectively than anyone else but talked about how bad they thought SC2 was or how they thought the games at the tournament were of low quality, I would still never hire them again. There are appropriate times and places for criticism of SC2 (and its balance) or the tournament (or venting about the skill level of players) but in the middle of a broadcast isn't one of them. | ||
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Elentos
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wasilix
Russian Federation80 Posts
On May 04 2015 16:09 AxiomBlurr wrote: I also watch a lot of CSGO (I work from home - a stream on in the background is the norm), the commentating there is 1st rate in my opinion - very little player, team, side bias. I really like all the casters I listed. Its just that I hate it when they go all butt hurt~~ Judging on your csgo viewer experience you probably should be aware that there is no such thing as balance in csgo, therefore there not so much to complain about. Unless someone complains about cts being harder, which isn't balance whine as both teams play both sides during the match. You can't achieve the same thing in sc2 unfortunately, and comparison isn't really gonna show anything. | ||
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Chylvain
France43 Posts
ToD (Protoss) Stephano (Zerg) Funka (Terran) They can easily speak english. #TheDream | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
That being said, I really don't have any problem with it. People have opinions, casters have the right to have theirs too. I could even bear Artosis trashing MarineKing back in the day :D | ||
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Nifel
706 Posts
What I occasionally find somewhat annoying are attempts at creating "fake" tension, when it really isn't all that tense, sometimes even pretty one sided. Apollo, InControl and ZG are good examples of casters I find being able to just point out the elephant without killing the mood. | ||
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EarthwormJim
Canada94 Posts
Bottom line, showing bias isn't professional. But these are just video games, and these guys aren't getting paid much money, so professionalism isn't exactly necessary , but preferred by some. | ||
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Mina
109 Posts
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
My biggest pet peeve is when casters complain about work load in a passive aggressive way. A lot of people try really hard to commentate games with very few viewers at all, so that is an instant turn off for me. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On May 04 2015 16:05 Shkudde wrote: Nope. And a little personal opinion in a cast is no problem for me, I actually like it that most SC2casters are somewhat unprofessional in that sense. You should watch an FGC-tournament (Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat etc.) for comparison, your brain will explode XD. In fighting games, it would be unprofessional and senseless to pretend that all match ups are balanced. Because they are not. Fighting games are imbalanced. That is a fact, and every one knows it. So when an imbalanced match up is played, the commentators SHOULD discuss the imbalance, different ways to try to get around the imbalance, how imbalanced it is or is not, and why it is that way. | ||
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Biggun69
187 Posts
On May 04 2015 16:02 AxiomBlurr wrote: I watch a lot of SC2. I mean...it is a little bit embarrassing how much SC2 I watch. All Proleague, all GSL, all WCS, all tournies that award WCS points, even most qualifiers... Why do I say this? It is just to introduce myself a little and to show that I am familiar with SC2 esports as it is presented by English casters. Now one thing that really really really yanks my chain and totally detracts from my viewing experience is commentator bias. You know when you are watching a sweet match say between Maru and Byul, and Moonglade is like: "yeah this map needs to be changed to balance it in favor of zergs," or you're watching MMA v Parting and Apollo goes "Protoss has all the questions and Terran has only two answers." Now I get it ok. Casters are people and people are entitled to their opinions and personal choices (lol). But I for one really dislike the caster watering up with butt hurt expressions over race and balance in live casts. There are forums and arenas for that and a live cast is not one them. That said, I want everyone to rank these casters in order of Race Bias (most bias to least). Note: this list is not my order. Rotti Nathanias Incontrol Tasteless Artosis Apollo Moonglade Wolfe Kaelaris Valdes Rifkin ZG Khaldor I strongly disagree, commentator bias is my favorite thing in Esports. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3278 Posts
They rallied up and hyped SoO so hard, which is fine, but they just didn't realize what was going on and didn't adapt to hyping TaejA and it just ended up with them almost not even mentioning his name. TaejA was playing some of the best SC2 ever and so it made me really sad. Besides that I don't think there's too much caster bias, when there is it's usually to tell a story or for the humour, so it's okay. | ||
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