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Perp. sounds like an asshole. Whatever his reasons, he'll get what he deserves. Pretty sure his calendar will be marked "prison" for the rest of his life, anyway, so maybe the truth will come out in an interview or during the trial. Let him rot in prison; he won't have friends on the inside that aren't skinheads or some shit like that. He'll probably end up with a shiv in the liver before he dies of old age. No point in worrying about his motive, other than to prove his guilt of 3x first degree murder. Too much attention to the case might draw other crazies out of the woodwork.
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On February 13 2015 02:27 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 02:00 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Kind of ironic considering that Muslims in USA tend to be well off, middle class, well integrated, moderate people, whilst the ones in Europe tend to be poor, insular and extreme. That's not always the case. In Germany, a lot of the Turks are rather well off and well integrated. It's the real Muslims, i. e. those who refuse to integrate with kafirs and insist on Sharia law, who are having trouble.
I'm a real Muslim. I'm an American citizen, I pay my taxes, I obey the laws of my governments, all my friends are "Kafirs" and I don't insist on any kind of law other than the law of the land. I have a high paying banking job and am doing just fine in life.
You have a very unfortunate understanding of Islam, my friend.
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On February 13 2015 02:27 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 02:00 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Kind of ironic considering that Muslims in USA tend to be well off, middle class, well integrated, moderate people, whilst the ones in Europe tend to be poor, insular and extreme. That's not always the case. In Germany, a lot of the Turks are rather well off and well integrated. It's the real Muslims, i. e. those who refuse to integrate with kafirs and insist on Sharia law, who are having trouble. Good that you have defined who the real Muslims are , I guess we can go home now.
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On February 13 2015 02:54 DinoMight wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 02:27 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 02:00 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Kind of ironic considering that Muslims in USA tend to be well off, middle class, well integrated, moderate people, whilst the ones in Europe tend to be poor, insular and extreme. That's not always the case. In Germany, a lot of the Turks are rather well off and well integrated. It's the real Muslims, i. e. those who refuse to integrate with kafirs and insist on Sharia law, who are having trouble. I'm a real Muslim. I'm an American citizen, I pay my taxes, I obey the laws of my governments, all my friends are "Kafirs" and I don't insist on any kind of law other than the law of the land. I have a high paying banking job and am doing just fine in life. You have a very unfortunate understanding of Islam, my friend.
I'm sure your case is very common for many millions of Muslims around the world and if every religious person behaved in such a fashion, we'd all be better for it.
Too bad it's exactly the opposite of what your scripture teaches.
I meant 'real Muslim' as in 'living according to scripture'.
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On February 13 2015 03:07 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 02:54 DinoMight wrote:On February 13 2015 02:27 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 02:00 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Kind of ironic considering that Muslims in USA tend to be well off, middle class, well integrated, moderate people, whilst the ones in Europe tend to be poor, insular and extreme. That's not always the case. In Germany, a lot of the Turks are rather well off and well integrated. It's the real Muslims, i. e. those who refuse to integrate with kafirs and insist on Sharia law, who are having trouble. I'm a real Muslim. I'm an American citizen, I pay my taxes, I obey the laws of my governments, all my friends are "Kafirs" and I don't insist on any kind of law other than the law of the land. I have a high paying banking job and am doing just fine in life. You have a very unfortunate understanding of Islam, my friend. I'm sure your case is very common for many millions of Muslims around the world and if every religious person behaved in such a fashion, we'd all be better for it. Too bad it's exactly the opposite of what your scripture teaches. I meant 'real Muslim' as in 'living according to scripture'.
You know there are different sects to your whole 'real muslims' thinking right? What about 'real Christians' would they be Protestants, Catholics, Anglicans... Or..? I'm also curious if you bend the rules at all in your day to day life. I know I do but I don't consider myself any less of a law abiding citizen because I j-walk and smoke the occasional joint. I guess we all have our own fucked up ideas though am I right?
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To me it sounds like that Atheist was just as bad as any religious zealot.
I've been Atheist for since as young as I can remember. Killing people is just something I tend to not agree with, regardless if they believe in a god or not.
Can't we all just get along and play video games together?
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On February 13 2015 03:28 GertHeart wrote: To me it sounds like that Atheist was just as bad as any religious zealot.
I've been Atheist for since as young as I can remember. Killing people is just something I tend to not agree with, regardless if they believe in a god or not.
Can't we all just get along and play video games together?
Do we get to brutally destroy each other in the video games?
If so i'm all for that.
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On February 13 2015 03:07 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 02:54 DinoMight wrote:On February 13 2015 02:27 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 02:00 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Kind of ironic considering that Muslims in USA tend to be well off, middle class, well integrated, moderate people, whilst the ones in Europe tend to be poor, insular and extreme. That's not always the case. In Germany, a lot of the Turks are rather well off and well integrated. It's the real Muslims, i. e. those who refuse to integrate with kafirs and insist on Sharia law, who are having trouble. I'm a real Muslim. I'm an American citizen, I pay my taxes, I obey the laws of my governments, all my friends are "Kafirs" and I don't insist on any kind of law other than the law of the land. I have a high paying banking job and am doing just fine in life. You have a very unfortunate understanding of Islam, my friend. I'm sure your case is very common for many millions of Muslims around the world and if every religious person behaved in such a fashion, we'd all be better for it. Too bad it's exactly the opposite of what your scripture teaches. I meant 'real Muslim' as in 'living according to scripture'. I never knew you were a scholar of Islam. Under which school of theology did you study, and what are your principles of exegesis?
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On February 13 2015 03:37 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 03:07 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 02:54 DinoMight wrote:On February 13 2015 02:27 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 02:00 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Kind of ironic considering that Muslims in USA tend to be well off, middle class, well integrated, moderate people, whilst the ones in Europe tend to be poor, insular and extreme. That's not always the case. In Germany, a lot of the Turks are rather well off and well integrated. It's the real Muslims, i. e. those who refuse to integrate with kafirs and insist on Sharia law, who are having trouble. I'm a real Muslim. I'm an American citizen, I pay my taxes, I obey the laws of my governments, all my friends are "Kafirs" and I don't insist on any kind of law other than the law of the land. I have a high paying banking job and am doing just fine in life. You have a very unfortunate understanding of Islam, my friend. I'm sure your case is very common for many millions of Muslims around the world and if every religious person behaved in such a fashion, we'd all be better for it. Too bad it's exactly the opposite of what your scripture teaches. I meant 'real Muslim' as in 'living according to scripture'. I never knew you were a scholar of Islam. Under which school of theology did you study, and what are your principles of exegesis?
Please, won't you enlighten me? Do teach me the mental gymnastics I have to do to interpret the misadventures of the warmongering, pillaging child-rapist, whose highest ambition it is to convert, and kill those he can't convert, as the 'religion of piece'.
When you're done, I'll tell you how you can interpret the story of Lot and his daughters as a tale of two pro-active feminists.
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There are millions who call themselves Muslim. They all think they are the real Muslims. That's actually kinda the problem with what's happening today.
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On February 13 2015 02:54 DinoMight wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 02:27 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 02:00 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Kind of ironic considering that Muslims in USA tend to be well off, middle class, well integrated, moderate people, whilst the ones in Europe tend to be poor, insular and extreme. That's not always the case. In Germany, a lot of the Turks are rather well off and well integrated. It's the real Muslims, i. e. those who refuse to integrate with kafirs and insist on Sharia law, who are having trouble. I'm a real Muslim. I'm an American citizen, I pay my taxes, I obey the laws of my governments, all my friends are "Kafirs" and I don't insist on any kind of law other than the law of the land. I have a high paying banking job and am doing just fine in life. You have a very unfortunate understanding of Islam, my friend. You are a real banker? How disgusting, his way of thinking are foreign to us and they hate you and seek to destroy your American freedom and democracy.
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On February 13 2015 03:47 Dangermousecatdog wrote: There are millions who call themselves Muslim. They all think they are the real Muslims. That's actually kinda the problem with what's happening today.
Actually there are 1.6 billion Muslims on earth. It's the second largest religion after Christianity. There are 162 million muslims living in India alone (double Germany's population). India, the world's largest democracy.
If every Muslim or if "all real" Muslims were like this guy described, the world would be a terrible terrible place.
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On February 13 2015 03:47 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 03:37 koreasilver wrote:On February 13 2015 03:07 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 02:54 DinoMight wrote:On February 13 2015 02:27 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 02:00 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Kind of ironic considering that Muslims in USA tend to be well off, middle class, well integrated, moderate people, whilst the ones in Europe tend to be poor, insular and extreme. That's not always the case. In Germany, a lot of the Turks are rather well off and well integrated. It's the real Muslims, i. e. those who refuse to integrate with kafirs and insist on Sharia law, who are having trouble. I'm a real Muslim. I'm an American citizen, I pay my taxes, I obey the laws of my governments, all my friends are "Kafirs" and I don't insist on any kind of law other than the law of the land. I have a high paying banking job and am doing just fine in life. You have a very unfortunate understanding of Islam, my friend. I'm sure your case is very common for many millions of Muslims around the world and if every religious person behaved in such a fashion, we'd all be better for it. Too bad it's exactly the opposite of what your scripture teaches. I meant 'real Muslim' as in 'living according to scripture'. I never knew you were a scholar of Islam. Under which school of theology did you study, and what are your principles of exegesis? Please, won't you enlighten me? Do teach me the mental gymnastics I have to do to interpret the misadventures of the warmongering, pillaging child-rapist, whose highest ambition it is to convert, and kill those he can't convert, as the 'religion of piece'. When you're done, I'll tell you how you can interpret the story of Lot and his daughters as a tale of two pro-active feminists.
Your problem is that you take the most radical, fanatical, extreme people and assume that 1.6 billion of us all think the same way.
It would be like saying all 2 billion Christians are backwards hicks who demonstrate at soldiers' funerals and hate gays.
It's so easy to say "real Muslims who practice sharia law etc. etc." and refer to scripture. But the vast majority of Muslims do not follow scripture to the letter,the same exact way that most Christians and Jews do not follow their scripture to the letter.
Do you mean to tell me that all real Christians abstain from sex until marriage? That they never have impure thoughts? Do you want to tell me that no real Jews eat bacon?
Please...
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On February 13 2015 04:02 DinoMight wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 03:47 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 03:37 koreasilver wrote:On February 13 2015 03:07 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 02:54 DinoMight wrote:On February 13 2015 02:27 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 02:00 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Kind of ironic considering that Muslims in USA tend to be well off, middle class, well integrated, moderate people, whilst the ones in Europe tend to be poor, insular and extreme. That's not always the case. In Germany, a lot of the Turks are rather well off and well integrated. It's the real Muslims, i. e. those who refuse to integrate with kafirs and insist on Sharia law, who are having trouble. I'm a real Muslim. I'm an American citizen, I pay my taxes, I obey the laws of my governments, all my friends are "Kafirs" and I don't insist on any kind of law other than the law of the land. I have a high paying banking job and am doing just fine in life. You have a very unfortunate understanding of Islam, my friend. I'm sure your case is very common for many millions of Muslims around the world and if every religious person behaved in such a fashion, we'd all be better for it. Too bad it's exactly the opposite of what your scripture teaches. I meant 'real Muslim' as in 'living according to scripture'. I never knew you were a scholar of Islam. Under which school of theology did you study, and what are your principles of exegesis? Please, won't you enlighten me? Do teach me the mental gymnastics I have to do to interpret the misadventures of the warmongering, pillaging child-rapist, whose highest ambition it is to convert, and kill those he can't convert, as the 'religion of piece'. When you're done, I'll tell you how you can interpret the story of Lot and his daughters as a tale of two pro-active feminists. Your problem is that you take the most radical, fanatical, extreme people and assume that 1.6 billion of us all think the same way. It would be like saying all 2 billion Christians are backwards hicks who demonstrate at soldiers' funerals and hate gays. It's so easy to say "real Muslims who practice sharia law etc. etc." and refer to scripture. But the vast majority of Muslims do not follow scripture to the letter,the same exact way that most Christians and Jews do not follow their scripture to the letter. Do you mean to tell me that all real Christians abstain from sex until marriage? That they never have impure thoughts? Do you want to tell me that no real Jews eat bacon? Please...
No, that's my point exactly. What's the common denominator of all Muslims? Or of all Christians? Or Jews? Scripture. Holy books.
Except that a large majority of religious people cherrypick the things that are nice about scripture. Well, great, but then it's not a holy book. They're just having intellectual input, like reading Kant or Nietzsche. And then reading scripture doesn't make them any more religious than reading any other piece of literature does.
I can read the bible, and I can say: 'Well, do unto others, that's a good idea, I'll subscribe to that.' Because I decide it's a good idea. That doesn't make me Christian, I cherrypicked one nice aspect about the New Testament.
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On February 13 2015 04:04 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 04:02 DinoMight wrote:On February 13 2015 03:47 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 03:37 koreasilver wrote:On February 13 2015 03:07 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 02:54 DinoMight wrote:On February 13 2015 02:27 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 02:00 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Kind of ironic considering that Muslims in USA tend to be well off, middle class, well integrated, moderate people, whilst the ones in Europe tend to be poor, insular and extreme. That's not always the case. In Germany, a lot of the Turks are rather well off and well integrated. It's the real Muslims, i. e. those who refuse to integrate with kafirs and insist on Sharia law, who are having trouble. I'm a real Muslim. I'm an American citizen, I pay my taxes, I obey the laws of my governments, all my friends are "Kafirs" and I don't insist on any kind of law other than the law of the land. I have a high paying banking job and am doing just fine in life. You have a very unfortunate understanding of Islam, my friend. I'm sure your case is very common for many millions of Muslims around the world and if every religious person behaved in such a fashion, we'd all be better for it. Too bad it's exactly the opposite of what your scripture teaches. I meant 'real Muslim' as in 'living according to scripture'. I never knew you were a scholar of Islam. Under which school of theology did you study, and what are your principles of exegesis? Please, won't you enlighten me? Do teach me the mental gymnastics I have to do to interpret the misadventures of the warmongering, pillaging child-rapist, whose highest ambition it is to convert, and kill those he can't convert, as the 'religion of piece'. When you're done, I'll tell you how you can interpret the story of Lot and his daughters as a tale of two pro-active feminists. Your problem is that you take the most radical, fanatical, extreme people and assume that 1.6 billion of us all think the same way. It would be like saying all 2 billion Christians are backwards hicks who demonstrate at soldiers' funerals and hate gays. It's so easy to say "real Muslims who practice sharia law etc. etc." and refer to scripture. But the vast majority of Muslims do not follow scripture to the letter,the same exact way that most Christians and Jews do not follow their scripture to the letter. Do you mean to tell me that all real Christians abstain from sex until marriage? That they never have impure thoughts? Do you want to tell me that no real Jews eat bacon? Please... No, that's my point exactly. What's the common denominator of all Muslims? Or of all Christians? Or Jews? Scripture. Holy books. Except that a large majority of religious people cherrypick the things that are nice about scripture. Well, great, but then it's not a holy book. They're just having intellectual input, like reading Kant or Nietzsche. And then reading scripture doesn't make them any more religious than reading any other piece of literature does. I can read the bible, and I can say: 'Well, do unto others, that's a good idea, I'll subscribe to that.' Because I decide it's a good idea. That doesn't make me Christian, I cherrypicked one nice aspect about the New Testament.
Yes, but we live in an age where you can consider yourself a Christian even if you don't follow scripture 100%. Same for Muslims and all other religions. It's actually for the best. We're slowly, over time, dropping the shitty parts of the religion and keeping the good ones.
So your point about all "real" Muslims being terrible people is moot because one could argue that all "real" Christians are terrible people as well.
This is completely aside from the fact that you have pretty much zero understanding of how Islam actually works.
War mongering, raping, and pillaging is actually closer to what the Christians did during the Crusades. But those people were a bunch of ignorant fucks led by fanatical, extreme leaders. This is why we don't say "all Christians are like this."
Now if you would kindly give 1.59999 billion Muslims the same benefit of the doubt that would be great.
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Feel like those shootings happens way too often.
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On February 13 2015 04:04 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 04:02 DinoMight wrote:On February 13 2015 03:47 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 03:37 koreasilver wrote:On February 13 2015 03:07 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 02:54 DinoMight wrote:On February 13 2015 02:27 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 02:00 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Kind of ironic considering that Muslims in USA tend to be well off, middle class, well integrated, moderate people, whilst the ones in Europe tend to be poor, insular and extreme. That's not always the case. In Germany, a lot of the Turks are rather well off and well integrated. It's the real Muslims, i. e. those who refuse to integrate with kafirs and insist on Sharia law, who are having trouble. I'm a real Muslim. I'm an American citizen, I pay my taxes, I obey the laws of my governments, all my friends are "Kafirs" and I don't insist on any kind of law other than the law of the land. I have a high paying banking job and am doing just fine in life. You have a very unfortunate understanding of Islam, my friend. I'm sure your case is very common for many millions of Muslims around the world and if every religious person behaved in such a fashion, we'd all be better for it. Too bad it's exactly the opposite of what your scripture teaches. I meant 'real Muslim' as in 'living according to scripture'. I never knew you were a scholar of Islam. Under which school of theology did you study, and what are your principles of exegesis? Please, won't you enlighten me? Do teach me the mental gymnastics I have to do to interpret the misadventures of the warmongering, pillaging child-rapist, whose highest ambition it is to convert, and kill those he can't convert, as the 'religion of piece'. When you're done, I'll tell you how you can interpret the story of Lot and his daughters as a tale of two pro-active feminists. Your problem is that you take the most radical, fanatical, extreme people and assume that 1.6 billion of us all think the same way. It would be like saying all 2 billion Christians are backwards hicks who demonstrate at soldiers' funerals and hate gays. It's so easy to say "real Muslims who practice sharia law etc. etc." and refer to scripture. But the vast majority of Muslims do not follow scripture to the letter,the same exact way that most Christians and Jews do not follow their scripture to the letter. Do you mean to tell me that all real Christians abstain from sex until marriage? That they never have impure thoughts? Do you want to tell me that no real Jews eat bacon? Please... No, that's my point exactly. What's the common denominator of all Muslims? Or of all Christians? Or Jews? Scripture. Holy books. Except that a large majority of religious people cherrypick the things that are nice about scripture. Well, great, but then it's not a holy book. They're just having intellectual input, like reading Kant or Nietzsche. And then reading scripture doesn't make them any more religious than reading any other piece of literature does. I can read the bible, and I can say: 'Well, do unto others, that's a good idea, I'll subscribe to that.' Because I decide it's a good idea. That doesn't make me Christian, I cherrypicked one nice aspect about the New Testament.
But the people you reference (extremists) most don't even follow the scripture to the letter anyway. Many Christians in the Syrian/Iraqi conflict couldn't even pay Jizya (tax) to stay in Raqqa. So does that make the ISIS dudes non Muslim? No one follows the scriptures perfectly, not even the radicals.
edit:spelling edit: and Dino made the same point basically.. noooooo
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On February 13 2015 04:22 DinoMight wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 04:04 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 04:02 DinoMight wrote:On February 13 2015 03:47 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 03:37 koreasilver wrote:On February 13 2015 03:07 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 02:54 DinoMight wrote:On February 13 2015 02:27 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 02:00 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Kind of ironic considering that Muslims in USA tend to be well off, middle class, well integrated, moderate people, whilst the ones in Europe tend to be poor, insular and extreme. That's not always the case. In Germany, a lot of the Turks are rather well off and well integrated. It's the real Muslims, i. e. those who refuse to integrate with kafirs and insist on Sharia law, who are having trouble. I'm a real Muslim. I'm an American citizen, I pay my taxes, I obey the laws of my governments, all my friends are "Kafirs" and I don't insist on any kind of law other than the law of the land. I have a high paying banking job and am doing just fine in life. You have a very unfortunate understanding of Islam, my friend. I'm sure your case is very common for many millions of Muslims around the world and if every religious person behaved in such a fashion, we'd all be better for it. Too bad it's exactly the opposite of what your scripture teaches. I meant 'real Muslim' as in 'living according to scripture'. I never knew you were a scholar of Islam. Under which school of theology did you study, and what are your principles of exegesis? Please, won't you enlighten me? Do teach me the mental gymnastics I have to do to interpret the misadventures of the warmongering, pillaging child-rapist, whose highest ambition it is to convert, and kill those he can't convert, as the 'religion of piece'. When you're done, I'll tell you how you can interpret the story of Lot and his daughters as a tale of two pro-active feminists. Your problem is that you take the most radical, fanatical, extreme people and assume that 1.6 billion of us all think the same way. It would be like saying all 2 billion Christians are backwards hicks who demonstrate at soldiers' funerals and hate gays. It's so easy to say "real Muslims who practice sharia law etc. etc." and refer to scripture. But the vast majority of Muslims do not follow scripture to the letter,the same exact way that most Christians and Jews do not follow their scripture to the letter. Do you mean to tell me that all real Christians abstain from sex until marriage? That they never have impure thoughts? Do you want to tell me that no real Jews eat bacon? Please... No, that's my point exactly. What's the common denominator of all Muslims? Or of all Christians? Or Jews? Scripture. Holy books. Except that a large majority of religious people cherrypick the things that are nice about scripture. Well, great, but then it's not a holy book. They're just having intellectual input, like reading Kant or Nietzsche. And then reading scripture doesn't make them any more religious than reading any other piece of literature does. I can read the bible, and I can say: 'Well, do unto others, that's a good idea, I'll subscribe to that.' Because I decide it's a good idea. That doesn't make me Christian, I cherrypicked one nice aspect about the New Testament. So your point about all "real" Muslims being terrible people is moot because one could argue that all "real" Christians are terrible people as well.
That doesn't make my point moot, that IS my point. If people were true to their faith, and I do mean Christians just as much as Muslims, the world would be a terrible place. That's because the bible is a horrid guideline, as much as the Qu'ran. But if you don't live by either, why would you call yourself a Muslim / Christian? Because you cherrypick the nice things about it?
That makes you enlightened, not religious.
I'll stop replying here now, because I really don't want to make anyone think I condone this terrible incident and I know I'm getting perilously close to that.
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On February 13 2015 04:34 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 04:22 DinoMight wrote:On February 13 2015 04:04 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 04:02 DinoMight wrote:On February 13 2015 03:47 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 03:37 koreasilver wrote:On February 13 2015 03:07 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 02:54 DinoMight wrote:On February 13 2015 02:27 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 02:00 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Kind of ironic considering that Muslims in USA tend to be well off, middle class, well integrated, moderate people, whilst the ones in Europe tend to be poor, insular and extreme. That's not always the case. In Germany, a lot of the Turks are rather well off and well integrated. It's the real Muslims, i. e. those who refuse to integrate with kafirs and insist on Sharia law, who are having trouble. I'm a real Muslim. I'm an American citizen, I pay my taxes, I obey the laws of my governments, all my friends are "Kafirs" and I don't insist on any kind of law other than the law of the land. I have a high paying banking job and am doing just fine in life. You have a very unfortunate understanding of Islam, my friend. I'm sure your case is very common for many millions of Muslims around the world and if every religious person behaved in such a fashion, we'd all be better for it. Too bad it's exactly the opposite of what your scripture teaches. I meant 'real Muslim' as in 'living according to scripture'. I never knew you were a scholar of Islam. Under which school of theology did you study, and what are your principles of exegesis? Please, won't you enlighten me? Do teach me the mental gymnastics I have to do to interpret the misadventures of the warmongering, pillaging child-rapist, whose highest ambition it is to convert, and kill those he can't convert, as the 'religion of piece'. When you're done, I'll tell you how you can interpret the story of Lot and his daughters as a tale of two pro-active feminists. Your problem is that you take the most radical, fanatical, extreme people and assume that 1.6 billion of us all think the same way. It would be like saying all 2 billion Christians are backwards hicks who demonstrate at soldiers' funerals and hate gays. It's so easy to say "real Muslims who practice sharia law etc. etc." and refer to scripture. But the vast majority of Muslims do not follow scripture to the letter,the same exact way that most Christians and Jews do not follow their scripture to the letter. Do you mean to tell me that all real Christians abstain from sex until marriage? That they never have impure thoughts? Do you want to tell me that no real Jews eat bacon? Please... No, that's my point exactly. What's the common denominator of all Muslims? Or of all Christians? Or Jews? Scripture. Holy books. Except that a large majority of religious people cherrypick the things that are nice about scripture. Well, great, but then it's not a holy book. They're just having intellectual input, like reading Kant or Nietzsche. And then reading scripture doesn't make them any more religious than reading any other piece of literature does. I can read the bible, and I can say: 'Well, do unto others, that's a good idea, I'll subscribe to that.' Because I decide it's a good idea. That doesn't make me Christian, I cherrypicked one nice aspect about the New Testament. So your point about all "real" Muslims being terrible people is moot because one could argue that all "real" Christians are terrible people as well. That doesn't make my point moot, that IS my point. If people were true to their faith, and I do mean Christians just as much as Muslims, the world would be a terrible place. That's because the bible is a horrid guideline, as much as the Qu'ran. But if you don't live by either, why would you call yourself a Muslim / Christian? Because you cherrypick the nice things about it? That makes you enlightened, not religious. I'll stop replying here now, because I really don't want to make anyone think I condone this terrible incident and I know I'm getting perilously close to that. Well I for one didn't get the idea that you were condoning the attack at all. Just that you're trying to make a somewhat misguided point about what/who a Muslim is. Speaking as someone who isn't a Muslim as well, I think we should let people decide who they are for themselves, and not label them as something we think they are. No one should be able to tell you who/what you are, and you shouldn't really be able to do the same to others in such a broad and general sense as you've tried to do.
Just trying to help. -The Enlightened One (TEO)
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On February 13 2015 03:47 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 03:37 koreasilver wrote:On February 13 2015 03:07 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 02:54 DinoMight wrote:On February 13 2015 02:27 SixStrings wrote:On February 13 2015 02:00 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Kind of ironic considering that Muslims in USA tend to be well off, middle class, well integrated, moderate people, whilst the ones in Europe tend to be poor, insular and extreme. That's not always the case. In Germany, a lot of the Turks are rather well off and well integrated. It's the real Muslims, i. e. those who refuse to integrate with kafirs and insist on Sharia law, who are having trouble. I'm a real Muslim. I'm an American citizen, I pay my taxes, I obey the laws of my governments, all my friends are "Kafirs" and I don't insist on any kind of law other than the law of the land. I have a high paying banking job and am doing just fine in life. You have a very unfortunate understanding of Islam, my friend. I'm sure your case is very common for many millions of Muslims around the world and if every religious person behaved in such a fashion, we'd all be better for it. Too bad it's exactly the opposite of what your scripture teaches. I meant 'real Muslim' as in 'living according to scripture'. I never knew you were a scholar of Islam. Under which school of theology did you study, and what are your principles of exegesis? Please, won't you enlighten me? Do teach me the mental gymnastics I have to do to interpret the misadventures of the warmongering, pillaging child-rapist, whose highest ambition it is to convert, and kill those he can't convert, as the 'religion of piece'. When you're done, I'll tell you how you can interpret the story of Lot and his daughters as a tale of two pro-active feminists. Perhaps on your very next breath, you would attempt to claim that constitutional law requires no interpretation, that its meaning is "obvious" insofar as the literal reading would be clear as day - that the entire field of jurisprudence and the execution of law as such requires no authority, no procedure, and no contextual evaluation. Perhaps then you could proudly take your seat next to the constitutional literalists of America and expound your wisdom of the "True American" that "lives according to the constitution" as if the reading of the law only has one interpretation, only one reading; that there are no ambiguities, that the interpretation of the law doesn't have its own tradition and its own reasons, that it is not an utterly abstract object and that surely one would give deference to a scholars of the constitution rather than the rambling layman, whether he be of the left, a liberal, a libertarian, or a traditionalist, and surely one would also give the same kind of deference to the experts of any other science. But no, of course, you would know better because - "reasons"?
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